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Cool, so now we can bitch on about the Royal Navy becoming a third world Navy with no carriers that will lose them knowledge in operating fixed wing carriers and with ships that overheat in the waters of the Med it has become a brown water navy...

GarryB wrote:Cool, so now we can bitch on about the Royal Navy becoming a third world Navy with no carriers that will lose them knowledge in operating fixed wing carriers and with ships that overheat in the waters of the Med it has become a brown water navy...  

stop hatin homes



PS. the British press if full of criticisms like that, don't worry.

Ahhh, so in the thread for the K it is for the purposes of discussion but here I am just being a hater...

Right... nice ivory tower you have there...

GarryB wrote:Ahhh, so in the thread for the K it is for the purposes of discussion but here I am just being a hater...

Right... nice ivory tower you have there...

Chill homie.



<srsly>You brought the discussion to personal level and I merely replied with humor.
I didn't even address you here in the first place.</srsly>

GarryB wrote:Cool, so now we can bitch on about the Royal Navy becoming a third world Navy with no carriers that will lose them knowledge in operating fixed wing carriers and with ships that overheat in the waters of the Med it has become a brown water navy...  

Well its their own fault they were late with orders of new carriers, so they will have a gap till QE comes. But its doubtful they will lose knowledge in operating fixed-winged fleet as they will start soon recieving F-35s and they will most likely train with Muricans and Italians till their carriers come. And pilots that are flying atm will probably be around for many years to come as i belive they are mostly young men.

When its about numbers, they decomissioned alot more than they decided to buy, so... again their fault. But i dont think that number 26 is right, or they are not counting submarines and minesweepers and similar ships.

<srsly>You brought the discussion to personal level and I merely replied with humor.
I didn't even address you here in the first place.</srsly>

You flamebaited the Kuz thread with your sky is falling crap.

Claiming it was humour does not stop it from being flamebait.

The deployment of the K to Syria was only ever going to be for testing and getting experience, but you corrupted it into suggesting it was the main force to finish the battle in Allepo. Well since they have not bombed allepo in the last two months any responsible person would say they were wrong and they were clearly only there for testing, but you focus on a problem they have discovered with the recovery system blah blah blah.

To be honest you piss me off with your bullshit.

If you want to be a Western Navy strong prick... that is fine. Be a dick.

When our boys were going to fight the Japanese in the Pacific they were told it was OK because their planes are made of rice paper and could not fly in the rain...

What is happening to the UK navy now will happen to the US navy when the money can't be printed any more to solve the problem... and of course the money sponge F-35 is just getting ready for full production...

A Year Late, UK Receives First Carrier-Support Ship

http://www.defensenews.com/articles/a-year-late-uk-receives-first-carrier-support-ship

Big articles in today's Sunday Times (behind a paywall) claiming that a Trident 11 D5 test launch from HMS Vengeance went wrong last June 23rd when it seems to have decided to go in the wrong direction. The significance is:

- the event was kept totally secret, nothing to do with the announcement in Parliament three weeks later to go ahead with the £40B at least program to replace these systems of course.

- this makes it apparently 16 years since the Vengeance has successfully fired a missile, not affecting her active service status of course,

- this was after the Vengeance had a 4 year refit including a new missile firing system and months of tests prior to the test firing. It could be that the Vengeance is in the clear and it was a missile problem,

- previous tests in 2000, 2005, 2009, 2012 have all had a blast of publicity, they were successful

- there have only been 5 tests as the missiles, minus their nuclear warheads etc, which cost around £17M each. The Trident 11 is regarded as one of the most reliable missiles out there. Those in the UK's subs are not owned by the UK, they are leased from the US and exchanged periodically.

It is clearly the view of the British Government that it is better to have its nuclear armed submarines cruising the world with a hope or expectation that they might hit a target if they fired missiles for real rather than spend the money to be sure they would.

JohninMK wrote:Big articles in today's Sunday Times (behind a paywall) claiming that a Trident 11 D5 test launch from HMS Vengeance went wrong last June 23rd when it seems to have decided to go in the wrong direction. The significance is:

- the event was kept totally secret, nothing to do with the announcement in Parliament three weeks later to go ahead with the £40B at least program to replace these systems of course.

- this makes it apparently 16 years since the Vengeance has successfully fired a missile, not affecting her active service status of course,

- this was after the Vengeance had a 4 year refit including a new missile firing system and months of tests prior to the test firing. It could be that the Vengeance is in the clear and it was a missile problem,

- previous tests in 2000, 2005, 2009, 2012 have all had a blast of publicity, they were successful

- there have only been 5 tests as the missiles, minus their nuclear warheads etc, which cost around £17M each. The Trident 11 is regarded as one of the most reliable missiles out there. Those in the UK's subs are not owned by the UK, they are leased from the US and exchanged periodically.

It is clearly the view of the British Government that it is better to have its nuclear armed submarines cruising the world with a hope or expectation that they might hit a target if they fired missiles for real rather than spend the money to be sure they would.

they are not welcome in Scotland ... they have 3 years max before they turfed out ... they will need a contingency plan if the rUK wants to keep it's nukes

@Godric

I said before that if Scottish go for independence . And move English nukes out of Scotland . That we should support them in this . Establish greater trade . The English can keep the nukes next to parliament buildings . The subs can dock there . But if these trident are leased from yanks . Then this "failour " , may be more significant than we think . After trump gesture to Russia about cutting number of nukes . And dismantling NATO . British may feel positively naked . A demonstrative "fail " , could be saying : we have nukes and we are going to keep them ( and point them in your direction . accidentally on purpose ) If I am right . Then they will never find the cause of the supposed failour .

The UK is defenceless... yet it is in a position where it does not need to be defended.

As mentioned a few times in several articles the defence spending in the UK is actually very close to that of Russia... there must be a lot of waste or inefficiency if that is the case.

The UK really needs to look at what it is spending money on and re evaluate what it actually needs to spend it on... because considering they are spending a similar amount to what Russia is they are not getting the same return...

The sun never sets on the British Empire, the same cant be said for its navy...

For a final blow, the Amur shipyard should start "building" ships for the Royal Navy

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/05/british-warships-noisy-russian-submarines-can-hear-100-miles/

Is the navy a solid navy?

It has very professional and very capable people, but every time it is called on to perform like in Iraq or where ever the civilian government of the UK usually saves money by cutting their budget by a huge amount.

It seems if they have enough to do what they did then they are over funded...

Interesting schematic showing the new Type 26 Frigate size compared to a Type 45 Destroyer. No indication if the diagram is to scale on anything other than length, the Type 26 does seem to be a bit 'fat' or there is a lot of air inside.

For those confused about what is the difference between a UK Destroyer and Frigate, try this

Engaging Strategy‏ @EngageStrategy1 5h5 hours ago

In the Royal Navy Destroyer=anti air warfare specialist & Frigate=anti submarine warfare specialist. T-26 & T-45 both light cruiser sized.

The Royal Navy is slowly shrinking. The entire operational fleet would be needed to protect our one and only carrier. Raising the fundamental question, why have we got it?


A quick analysis shows that 6 of the RN’s 19 escorts are at sea or fully operational. A further 6 are either on trials, training or in short maintenance periods. Activity may be slightly curtailed generally in the summer leave period, as the RN does its best to prioritise the needs of personnel and their families. 4 are in major refit and 3 are non-operational, pending refit or due to lack of personnel.

This is the HMS Queen Elizabeth with a third of the RN’s available surface escorts.



http://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/ongoing-manpower-issues-revealed-by-status-of-royal-navy-surface-escorts/

What the forthcoming Type 26 Frigate might look like

Manufacture Begins for First of Royal Navy City class Type 26 Frigates - HMS Glasgow

UK Defence Secretary has revealed HMS Glasgow will be the name of the first of eight City class Type 26 frigates as he cut her first piece of steel at Govan shipyard in Scotland today. HMS Glasgow will enter service with the Royal Navy in the mid 2020s.



In front of the assembled BAE Systems workforce, Sir Michael Fallon officially began the manufacture of HMS Glasgow the first in a new generation of cutting edge frigates, delivering on the commitment to start production this summer on a programme that will sustain 1700 jobs in Scotland for two decades. Together the three ships being built under the first contract will safeguard 4000 jobs in Scotland and across the wider UK supply chain until 2035.

The Defence Secretary met some of the 260 apprentices that will be supported by the work on the Frigate on the Clyde by the autumn.

Defence Secretary Sir Michael Fallon said:
Today marks a historic milestone for the Royal Navy, Scottish shipbuilding and UK Defence more widely. HMS Glasgow and the other seven frigates in this new class will protect our powerful new aircraft carriers and nuclear deterrent, helping keep Britain safe across the world.

The Type 26 is a cutting-edge warship that will maintain our naval power with a truly global reach. Designed for a service life of at least 25 years, the Type 26 frigates will form a backbone of the future Royal Navy surface fleet well into the future.

The Type 26 is an advanced Anti-Submarine Warfare frigate that will provide essential protection to our nuclear deterrent and aircraft carriers, building on the pedigree of the Royal Navy’s current Type 23 frigates.

Its flexible design will allow its weapon systems to be adapted throughout its lifespan to counter future threats. The Type 26 benefits from the latest advances in digital technologies, including 3D and virtual reality, which ensures that the ship’s design is refined earlier in the process.

Admiral Sir Philip Jones, First Sea Lord and Chief of the Naval Staff, said:

The Clyde was the birthplace of some of the greatest fighting ships the world has ever known, and so cutting steel there today for the future HMS Glasgow is symbolic of a Royal Navy on the rise once again.
As an island nation, we are utterly dependent on the sea for our security and prosperity, and the City-class names have been chosen for the Type 26 to provide an enduring link between the Royal Navy and our great centres of commerce and industry.
The name Glasgow brings with it a string of battle honours, stretching from the Arctic Circle to the South Atlantic. As one of the world’s most capable anti-submarine frigates, the Type 26 will carry the Royal Navy’s tradition of victory far into the future.

As a world-class ship, the Type 26 has strong export opportunities. BAE Systems and the MOD are exploring these, with interest from international customers including Australia.

Tony Douglas, Chief Executive Officer for Defence Equipment and Support, the MOD’s procurement organisation said:

This is a very proud moment for all of those who have worked so hard to get the manufacture of the Type 26 underway.
With the first steel cut today in Scotland and further work spread out across the UK supply chain the Type 26 programme is truly a national endeavour harnessing all our skills and knowledge to produce the best possible ships for the Royal Navy.

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/2017/july-2017-navy-naval-forces-defense-industry-technology-maritime-security-global-news/5409-manufacture-begins-for-first-of-royal-navy-city-class-type-26-frigates-hms-glasgow.html

The new British aircraft carrier Queen Elizabeth arrived in Portsmouth

August 16, 2017 to the place of its permanent basing in the main naval base of the Royal Navy of Portsmouth arrived passing the test head of the new British aircraft carrier R 08 Queen Elizabeth. The ship first went to sea on factory road trials on June 26, 2017 from Rosait. Queen Elizabeth, which is the largest ship of the British fleet in history (the projected full displacement of 70,600 tons), became the largest warship ever to arrive in Portsmouth.



Arrival of the new British aircraft carrier R 08 Queen Elizabeth to the main naval base of the Royal Navy Portsmouth 08/16/2017. In the foreground are the destroyer D 34 Diamond type 45 and Victory ship museum. The regular crew of the Victory battleship during its stay in the fleet was larger in number than the regular crew of the aircraft carrier Queen Elizabeth without taking into account the air group (c) www.facebook.com/ukdefencejournal

The construction of the Queen Elizabeth aircraft carrier has been carried out since 2009 by the Aircraft Carrier Alliance consortium with the assembly of the ship from sections in the dry construction dock of the company Vabcock Marine in Rosait (former naval shipyard Rosyth Dockyard, privatized in 1997). The Aircraft Carrier Alliance also includes Thales (designer), BAE Systems Surface Ships, A & P Group and Cammell Laird (these three companies, along with Vabcock Marine, manufacture hull sections). The ceremony of baptizing the ship was made on July 4, 2014, and on July 17, 2014 the aircraft carrier was taken out of the construction dry dock of the Rozait shipyard.

Tests of helicopters on the ship were started as early as July 2017. The testing of the F-35B deck aircraft on the aircraft carrier will begin at the end of 2018, and the ship and air group's initial combat readiness is expected in 2021, and full combat readiness - no earlier than 2023. The staff of the air group of the ship in the "oceanic" version should be 24 F-35B fighters, nine Merlin anti-ship helicopters and four or five Merlin helicopters in the version of the DRLO.

After the withdrawal of Queen Elizabeth from the construction dock of Vabcock Marine in Rosait in the same dock from the end of 2014, the assembly of the second ship R 09 Prince of Wales, the sections of which have been manufactured since 2011, is being assembled. The second aircraft carrier, presumably, will be put on factory road trials in 2019.





http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2790289.html

I just looked it up, and it seems the QE is using conventional propulsion, which begs the question, are the Brits insane!!?

nomadski wrote:@Godric

I said before that if Scottish go for independence . And move English nukes out of Scotland . That we should support them in this . Establish greater trade . The English can keep the nukes next to parliament buildings . The subs can dock there . But if these trident are leased from yanks . Then this "failour " , may be more significant than we think . After trump gesture to Russia about cutting number of nukes . And dismantling NATO .  British may feel positively naked . A demonstrative "fail " , could be saying : we have nukes and we are going to keep them ( and point them in your direction . accidentally on purpose )  If I am right . Then they will never find the cause of the supposed failour .

i want closer ties with Russia ... we did have in the past with the Russian Empire 5 Scots served as admirals in the Imperial Russian Navy and fifteen Russian generals of Scottish provenance


https://www.rbth.com/arts/2014/09/22/russias_greatest_scots_men_who_left_their_mark_on_moscow_40017.html

http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/genetics-show-many-scots-are-descended-from-russian-nomads-1-4272744

The biggest problem facing Scotland having closer ties to Russia is the Media in Scotland ... all of it is based in London every major News Paper media outlet is either English or Aussie (Murdoch) owned ... the media in Scotland on Independence would need to be entirely controlled in Scotland whether be via state broadcaster and state broadsheet with several private Scottish owned media outlets with a moral code of impartiality on news reporting

by in large Scots tend to be very pro Russian ... we have no love of Nazis or right wing politics in general

i would like to see our armed forces armed with a mixture of homegrown hardware and Russian hardware ... currently Scotland contributes £3.4/5 billion a year towards defence spending

their have been some interesting revelations about our economy like the UK hiding £15 billion over the past 2 years of our oil revenue

https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-magic-money-rigs/


and how the UK claims our Whisky industry is worth £5 billion to the UK with 80% of the market Yet according to Ireland with 4% of the Market it is worth £2.5 billion to the Irish economy ... do the maths we have 20 times the market of Irish whisky yet UK claims it is only worth double the income of Irish Whisky


John please pass on this info on to your pal Jhomes on the Mess as i got banned for criticising Israel on the Syria thread he loves to post how our oil is worthless and that we are subsidy junkies

JohninMK wrote: What the forthcoming Type 26 Frigate might look like

only 3 of them will be built in Scotland can't possibly see them building the other 5 here if we vote to leave the UK in late 2018 early 2019

we do have plans to build 4 of our own frigates, i can't see us spending over £1 billion each per ship ... i think they will be more like the proposed type 31s hopefully BAE will be turfed out over priced junk IMO ... the type 45s have been a massive failure with their breakdowns and long stays in port

Posted the link Godric.