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New Mi-38 multi-role helicopter will be presented at MAKS-2015 airshow
Russian Aviaton » Wednesday July 29, 2015 16:01 MSK

New Mi-38 multi-role helicopter will be presented at MAKS-2015 airshow, which will be held in August in Zhukovsky (Moscow Region), TASS reports with reference to press-service of Kazan Helicopters.

“New Mi-38 helicopter will be presented this year at MAKS airshow in Zhukovsky,” the press-service noted. Assembly of the first production Mi-38s was started by Kazan Helicopters, “the first production helicopter of the type will be delivered to the customer in the first quarter of 2016,” TASS reports with reference to Kazan Helicopters CTO, Igor Bugakov.
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“In accordance with the state contract the type certificate should be obtained in December 2015, but now the goal is to obtain it prior to the opening of MAKS-2015 airshow,” Bugakov said. In October 2014 Kazan Helicopters started testing of the new Mi-38 multi-role helicopter, which may be used for transporting cargo or passengers, may take part in search-and-rescue operations and can be used as a flying hospital. The helicopter is fitted with main and tail rotors made of composites. The powerplant includes two TV7-117V turboshaft engines developed by Klimov design bureau (each engine has a power of 1753 kW). Avionics suite allows pilots of Mi-38 to operate the helicopter under severe conditions: perform automatic flight in accordance with a given route, land the helicopter, carry out automatic hovering and stabilization of the vehicle in all flight regimes.

This helicopter is going to be a revolution when it enters production.

From what I can gather, it's completely automated or rather is capable of being operated in that way - it can conduct landings/take-offs, and flight w/o a pilot.
Unlike a UAV, it's capable of doing this all on auto-pilot

Imagine if they start setting them up for automatic, unmanned supply runs, removing the need for a pilot for the simplest, most routine sortees.. or perhaps for the simple but dangerous ones.

The future T3 version will share the same engine as the in development Russian-Chinese very heavy lift helicopter

Hm... I was kind of thinking the Chinese were aiming for something akin to Mi-46 project, with smaller engines/MTOW...
What would be the difference between the JV and a 26T3 if they have identical engines (and MTOW/payload)?
I would think that a hybrid/pusher design could save alot of fuel/range/payload, that could be difference between Chinese JV and a 26T3...?
I remember EADS forever talked up creating their own "med-hvy" lifter using drivetrain of CH-53K, but new fuselage/etc.  Similar here? (but not just paper?)

FSB Mi-8AMTV

Ataka/Shturm guidance radio
President-S L-370-5 DIRCM and MAWS L-136
Surveillance Radar
ECM pod? Haven't seen such a pod before.
FLIR

mutantsushi wrote:Hm... I was kind of thinking the Chinese were aiming for something akin to Mi-46 project, with smaller engines/MTOW...
What would be the difference between the JV and a 26T3 if they have identical engines (and MTOW/payload)?
I would think that a hybrid/pusher design could save alot of fuel/range/payload, that could be difference between Chinese JV and a 26T3...?
I remember EADS forever talked up creating their own "med-hvy" lifter using drivetrain of CH-53K, but new fuselage/etc.  Similar here? (but not just paper?)

The Mi-26 needs a new engine as the old one was supplied by the Ukraine.

It just so happens that the Russian-Chinese heavy lift helicopter needs a new engine too. What I read in an article anyway; they're most likely to be one and the same for both.

Perhaps they will be 2 closely-related engines, or the Mi-26 one will be downrated.

flamming_python wrote:

mutantsushi wrote:Hm... I was kind of thinking the Chinese were aiming for something akin to Mi-46 project, with smaller engines/MTOW...
What would be the difference between the JV and a 26T3 if they have identical engines (and MTOW/payload)?
I would think that a hybrid/pusher design could save alot of fuel/range/payload, that could be difference between Chinese JV and a 26T3...?
I remember EADS forever talked up creating their own "med-hvy" lifter using drivetrain of CH-53K, but new fuselage/etc.  Similar here? (but not just paper?)

The Mi-26 needs a new engine as the old one was supplied by the Ukraine.

It just so happens that the Russian-Chinese heavy lift helicopter needs a new engine too. What I read in an article anyway; they're most likely to be one and the same for both.

Perhaps they will be 2 closely-related engines, or the Mi-26 one will be downrated.

It'll probably won't be downrated, Rostec said specifically that the new Russian-Chinese variant of the Mi-26 would be more powerful, with a larger payload capacity, likely both versions will be powered with more powerful engines.

Can i ask please the mods to merge Mi-38 to this thread, because it is rather lonely thread with fewer posts and we can keep transport helicopters with their modifications in here since most people do not flood this thread anyway like others.


Anyways...

Werewolf wrote:Can i ask please the mods to merge Mi-38 to this thread, because it is rather lonely thread with fewer posts and we can keep transport helicopters with their modifications in here since most people do not flood this thread anyway like others.

Done. And title changed also

George1 wrote:

Werewolf wrote:Can i ask please the mods to merge Mi-38 to this thread, because it is rather lonely thread with fewer posts and we can keep transport helicopters with their modifications in here since most people do not flood this thread anyway like others.

Done. And title changed also

Thank you.

Russia's Mi-8 Helicopter Ready for Arctic Duty

A modified version of the Mil Mi-8 transport helicopter, designed for Russia's Ministry of Defense, has been prepared to venture into the Arctic and operate in up to -50 degrees Celsius.

The Russian Helicopters design and manufacturing company "is working on the new Mi-8AMTSh-VA helicopter designed to be used in the Arctic and the Extreme North. The development stage is over and the rotorcraft is expected to undergo testing in the second half of 2015," company's CEO Alexander Mikheev said during the MAKS-2015 air show.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20150825/1026179096/russia-mi8-helicopter-arctic.html#ixzz3jsPi7YxA

Hey I have skimmed the thread looking for information on whether or not the production and development of the Mi-26T2 and contract deliveries to Algeria is being effected by the annulling of Ukrainian and Russian Military Cooperation. I know a lot of Mi-26 are being refurbished and rebuilt but are actual newly built Mi-26 receiving engines from Ukraine or has this work stopped? Dmitry Rogozin said that development of localized D-136 turboshaft is planned in the future for the joint Chinese and Russian heavy lift helicopter and export replacement, for the mean time what is being done to keep the deliveries of Mi-26 from falling behind like the Admiral Grigorovichv class frigate?

This report from Ulan-Ude shows among others export Mi-17s for Peru, Angola and Kazakhstan.
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1460076.html

Is there a link to a news report about a recent air force buy of mi8 helicopters? citing number of helos bought and price in rubles paid? Is there are data on just how much does ruaf pay for flyaway mi8 these days?

reposted from another thread...

So the RU-CHI heavy lift JV in fact looks more like a Mi-46, with ~2/3 MTOW of Mi-26...
If they really are to use the same engine as re-engined Mi-26,
it would seem that they will be using 3 engines in the new 26 and 2 of the same kind in this RU-CHI JV...?

PapaDragon wrote:Advanced Heavy Lifter, future Russian-Chinese heavy-lift helicopter.
Planned maximum takeoff weight 38.2 tons, top speed 300 km/h, service ceiling 5700 meters, range 630 km.



http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1465326.html

mutantsushi wrote:reposted from another thread...

So the RU-CHI heavy lift JV in fact looks more like a Mi-46, with ~2/3 MTOW of Mi-26...
If they really are to use the same engine as re-engined Mi-26,
it would seem that they will be using 3 engines in the new 26 and 2 of the same kind in this RU-CHI JV...?

PapaDragon wrote:Advanced Heavy Lifter, future Russian-Chinese heavy-lift helicopter.
Planned maximum takeoff weight 38.2 tons, top speed  300 km/h, service ceiling 5700 meters, range 630 km.



http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1465326.html

No doubt it'll likely use Motor Sich engines in the initial prototype/testing stages, however by the time it goes in to production (probably in 5 years) it'll no doubt use domestic engines.

The fuselage of the first serial production Mi-38 is manufactured in Kazan

http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/67541/




Who will be customer for this type?

Will RU military be buying this one?

The first Mi-8AMTSh-VA (Arctic version) completed flight tests
http://www.russianhelicopters.aero/ru/press/news/na-uuaz-zaversheny-polety/

Airbus just announced they are moving the Super Puma line to Romania

1. because it will be cheaper to make it there
2. they are making a cheaper no thrills version
3. they aim to compete with the mi-8/17

surely there must be some air forces that experience operating both
1. in operational experiences how did the two compare
2. in terms of marketability,


can the super puma compete with the very successful hip?

max steel wrote:Airbus just announced they are moving the Super Puma line to Romania
1. because it will be cheaper to make it there
2. they are making a cheaper no thrills version
3. they aim to compete with the mi-8/17

surely there must be some air forces that experience operating both
1. in operational experiences how did the two compare
2. in terms of marketability,


can the super puma compete with the very successful hip?

a bit of a tough one here as in till you see what the cheaper no frills will be like you can't really compare, but going by current spec's i would imagine the Hip will still have the upper hand due to being able to carry more, probably easier to fly, cheaper to maintain, and more robust and can cope with more hardship, and another good point is the huge amount of variants available for the Hip compared to the super puma, the the cheap no frills version could end up being less versatile, and then there's the politic's behind sales, Russia is far easier to deal with than France.