Mi-8/17, Μi-38, Mi-26: News

The first versions of the Mi-8 also had no weapons outriggers. The Mi-8 can carry up to 2 tons of weapons. If the Mi-38 can carry more, sooner or later the military will want an armored version.

Apparently that awful digital brown cammo in post 231 is better than it looks...
https://www.russiadefence.net/t1308p225-mi-8-17-i-38-mi-26-news#232088

Probably wont be as big of a success as the Mi-8 series, but likely find its place in the ground forces

Likely not, as the Mi-8 and related designs (Mi-24, Mi-14 and Mi-17) are the most produced helicopters around... there are tens of thousands of them...

We've seen Mi-8/17's self-defense suites, but never on Mi-26's likely because of military doctrine. You won't bring a Mi-26 anywhere near a hot spot, only will defended green-zones, so it's a moot point to add a DIRCM suite for it, but the Mi-8/17's doctrine is an entirely different conversation altogether (hence the armament and self-defense suites).

Post 231 on the previous page shows the Mi-26 with DIRCMs and other self defence systems...

I'm more inclined to believe the military versions of Mi-38 will have Vitebsk suites serial produced.

I suspect over time existing types will get them fitted and new systems will have them built in.

For the production numbers of the Mi-38 lets wait 40 years.

GarryB wrote:

Probably wont be as big of a success as the Mi-8 series, but likely find its place in the ground forces

Likely not, as the Mi-8 and related designs (Mi-24, Mi-14 and Mi-17) are the most produced helicopters around... there are tens of thousands of them...

We've seen Mi-8/17's self-defense suites, but never on Mi-26's likely because of military doctrine. You won't bring a Mi-26 anywhere near a hot spot, only will defended green-zones, so it's a moot point to add a DIRCM suite for it, but the Mi-8/17's doctrine is an entirely different conversation altogether (hence the armament and self-defense suites).

Post 231 on the previous page shows the Mi-26 with DIRCMs and other self defence systems...

I'm more inclined to believe the military versions of Mi-38 will have Vitebsk suites serial produced.

I suspect over time existing types will get them fitted and new systems will have them built in.

Actually the best defensive suite ever for the Mi-26 is the Su-27 hanging attachment.

The Ministry of Defense signed a contract for two Mi-38T helicopters

It is noted that the first one will be delivered in 2019

KAZAN, December 20. / TASS /. The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation signed a contract for two new Mi-38T helicopter transport helicopters, the first of which will be delivered in the summer of 2019. This was announced on Thursday by Russian Deputy Minister of Defense Alexei Krivoruchko during a visit to the Kazan helicopter plant.

The car has a great future. The helicopter turned out with very good characteristics. We have already contracted two helicopters, we are waiting for them, we will get the first helicopter next summer. Krivoruchko.

At the enterprise, the deputy minister got acquainted with the assembly of new cars, the course of development work and the execution of the state defense order, and also visited the flight test complex, where a demonstration flight of the new Mi-38T took place.

This is the first model of the machine in this series, made specifically for the Ministry of Defense. His first flight took place in late November.

The Deputy Minister of Defense also noted the company's success in the production of helicopters of the current generation of the Mi-8 family. So, in 2018, six Mi-8MTV-5-1 helicopters were delivered ahead of schedule.

https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/5937096

Russia to begin receiving Mi-38T upgraded helos in 2019

https://www.janes.com/article/85385/russia-to-begin-receiving-mi-38t-upgraded-helos-in-2019

Contract for 130 Mi-8MTV-5 finished ahead of schedule.

https://ria.ru/20190130/1550147133.html

franco wrote:Contract for 130 Mi-8MTV-5 finished ahead of schedule.

https://ria.ru/20190130/1550147133.html

Not 130 , were 140 + 4
Nowadays the 140 are probably handed over for 6 squadrons of 20 in brigades/regiments + training units and other small units inlcuded North Fleet
Anyway , there are probably more contracts because Kazan announced delivery 18 more late in 2019 and 20 more in 2020
Not clear if 15 Brigade and 17 Brigade will have other squadron each of Mi-8MTV-5 or will be other type of Mi-8

https://bmpd.livejournal.com/348166.html

So, in the case file it is indicated that in 2011 the KVZ concluded four government contracts with the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation:

- dated 03/03/2011, No. 3/4/2 / 5-11-DOGOZ for delivery in 2011-2020, 140 Mi-8MTV-5-1 helicopters manufactured in accordance with the Technical Conditions 8MTV5.0000.00TU, taking into account the decision No. 8-Mi-8MTV-5/09 dated January 16, 2010, according to the modification of Technical Specifications 8MTV5.0000.00TU;

- dated 29.08.2011, № 3/4/2 / 15-11-DOGOZ for delivery in 2011. of 4 Mi-8MTV-5-1 helicopters manufactured in accordance with Technical Specifications 8MTV5.0000.00TU, but not including solution No. 8-Mi-8MTV-5/09 of January 16, 2010 to change TU 8MTV5.0000.00TU, then there is a simplified modification;

- dated August 1, 2011 No. 3/4/2/8-11-DOGOZ for delivery in 2011-2012 of 3 Mi-8MTV-2 helicopters manufactured in accordance with the addition to TU-80MT / 79;

- dated 03/03/2011, No. 3/4/2/6-11-DOGOZ for delivery in 2011-2018 of 32 Ansat-U helicopters manufactured in accordance with the Technical Specifications 335.0000.00TU from August 15, 2008

The number of "130" could be a mistake with the Mi-8AMTSh, that have received more contracts because delivery started in +/-2009
Two know contracts have a total of 172 machines

https://bmpd.livejournal.com/897599.html

- H / 4/2 / 7-11-DOGOZ of March 1, 2011. 2746.1 [Delivery of 132 Mi-8AMTSH helicopters]

- B / 4/2 / 20-13-DOGOZ of August 3, 2013 5037.6 [Supply of 40 Mi-8AMTSH helicopters]

Also, there are other contract for the pessenger versión and the Artic verion Mi-8AMTSh-BA


Totady there are probably more than 180 included all versions, ans is probable other  squadron in the 16 and 18 Brigades and complete other units so the number should be near 250 in total after 2020

Looks like something called Mi-171A3 is in the works

More pics here: https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3549276.html

PapaDragon wrote:
Looks like something called Mi-171A3 is in the works

More pics here: https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3549276.html

Does this product make sense when you are trying to promote (and make profitable) the new Mi-38?

jaguar_br wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
Looks like something called Mi-171A3 is in the works

More pics here: https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3549276.html

https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/bmpd/38024980/6596029/6596029_original.jpg

Does this product make sense when you are trying to promote (and make profitable) the new Mi-38?

Mi-38 is much larger

It is basically like they have introduced the replacement but the existing models are so widely used they are going to be there for some time anyway... so for those not ready to upgrade yet, here is an upgrade you can apply to get better performance and to prepare you for eventually using the new product too.

Look at the AK-12 and AK-74M, or Su-57 and Su-35, or Armata tank and T-90MS... where new technology from the new product is used to upgrade the older thing the new thing is replacing.

In many ways it means you can put new things into production faster and test new ideas operationally before the new item is even ready for service, and overall reduce costs because those new AK-12 rifles you are making 50,000 of as a new batch, you can make 200,000 new rear stocks for the new AK-12s but also to fit in service AK-74Ms to upgrade them... and of course other parts and new magazines and new ammo... so performance improves and costs go down and experience can be gained early...

https://www.aex.ru/news/2019/3/7/194629/

Alexey Krivoruchko: the Ministry of Defense intends to acquire 10 Mi-26T2V helicopters

March 7, 2019, AEX.RU - The Russian Ministry of Defense will buy 10 of the world's most heavy-lifting Mi-26 helicopters, but in a new look. This was told by Deputy Defense Minister Alexei Krivoruchko, reports Tass.

"Today we have reached an agreement that we will conclude a contract for the first batch - 10 Mi-26T2V helicopters," he told reporters on Thursday.

Earlier it was reported that the "Russian Helicopters" plan to transfer the Mi-26T2V to state tests in the second quarter of 2019. The holding hopes that a contract with the military department may be signed in June.

Hello guys, but what kind of engines does the new Mi-26T2V have? Ivchenko-Progress D-136? Thanks.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/pictures-largest-helicopter-completes-preliminary-457232/

Giulio wrote:Hello guys, but what kind of engines does the new Mi-26T2V have? Ivchenko-Progress D-136? Thanks.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/pictures-largest-helicopter-completes-preliminary-457232/

They plan to substitute them with the PD-12V, derived from the PD-14, but I don't know if this is already ready.

Maybe they obtained some additional engines from Ukraine or they localized the production of the D136 (as they did for other engines like the VK-2500 for the mi28 and ka52 and the AI222 of the Yak-130.

Mi-38 military version:










So green, Ruby Rhod approves  

Putin Weaponises Lurid Paint!
So awful to look at the enemy will look away rather than at that.

Which is a shame because its actually a nice looking chopper.

Edit: is it a SEP field?

I have seen a lot of people criticise Russian camo schemes, but to be perfectly honest, unless you can see what market and what context they would be used in it is rather hard to say what is good and what is bad.

Recent video showing a USAF F-15 in low viz grey and a Flanker in the traditional white and blue markings and it was the low viz F-15 that stood out like a sore thumb even at a distance where the bigger Flanker disappeared... and it was in the same shot so you can't blame lighting or the camera used or any shit like that...

Mi-8 AMTSh-VN said to include various improvements based on the Syrian experience....
It's likely to be used in the planned Aviation Brigades for the VDV and SOF





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jaguar_br wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
Looks like something called Mi-171A3 is in the works

Does this product make sense when you are trying to promote (and make profitable) the new Mi-38?

According to the poster it's aimed at operations from offshore platforms ....oil and gas I assume

Cyberspec wrote:Mi-8 AMTSh-VN said to include various improvements based on the Syrian experience....
It's likely to be used in the planned Aviation Brigades for the VDV and SOF

Very interesting armament shown... a door mounted Kord 12.7mm HMG and a further two single Kords on top of each wing, plus four ATGMs.. Ataka or Krisantema on the left side outer pylon with a twin 23mm cannon pod on the middle pylon... the inner pylon is not visible in any of the shots but the other wing pylon has four more ATGMs on the outer pylon, a 20 shot 80mm rocket pod on the middle pylon and a single 266mm S-25 rocket on the inner pylon... so I would suspect the same on the other side inner pylon.

There look to be huge pannier ammo oval boxes for the 12.7mm calibre guns mounted on the wings... looks like a rather potent loadout.