NATO 2011 military intervention in Libya

Vladimir79 wrote:Check out this fantasy... lol

IronsightSniper wrote:The Libyan IADS is almost literally paper. A NATO strike force with proper ELINT would establish Air-dominance over Libya in a week or two.

If they got those S-300s however, that'd be a different story.

ahmedfire wrote:

Vladimir79 wrote:Check out this fantasy... lol

that's it man
but where is the SAM missiles ?
did libyans upgraded them in russia ?

ahmedfire wrote:

IronsightSniper wrote:The Libyan IADS is almost literally paper. A NATO strike force with proper ELINT would establish Air-dominance over Libya in a week or two.

If they got those S-300s however, that'd be a different story.

right,
air dominance over libya is easy,,egypt and saudi arabia can make it easly..
but i think NATO planes woukd have some losses
libyans has some good numbers of SAMS,,they can use some techniques like pop-up...

IronsightSniper wrote:

According to the graphic you posted, they barely have 100 vehicle-based SAMs, assuming good tactics are used they might down a few Rafales and the such but that won't stop a NATO air offensive, only delay the inevitable.

GarryB wrote:Exactly... the purpose of a no fly zone is to get into conflict with Gaddafis forces so they can justify going in there and getting all that oil.

GarryB wrote:In its criticism of Russian democracy the US has made it pretty clear their definition of democracy has nothing to what is in most western dictionaries.

It all depends on US relations to the person in charge... for instance Hugo Chavez and Putin are dictators despite being repeatedly re elected.

The current leader of the former Soviet Republic of Georgia and current leader in Afghanistan on the other hand are heroes for democracy leading their countries to peace and stability and economic utopia.

The western press just copies and pastes what their governments print without question so the alteration of the language is not challenged and while the drones in the west who listen and do as they are told and feared communists under their beds and now think every arab is a muslim and every muslim is a terrorist or terrorist supporter don't care that their media no longer question anything and toe the party line.
Foreigners read the rhetoric coming from the US and laugh because they can't believe they are supposed to believe it as something that is true.

Viktor wrote:Gadafi has stakes in Airbus and other major EU companies as well as tons of money in EU / US banks. I think that might save him more than tanks and fighters fighting rebels and NATO.
Besides Italians for instance have large deals over there. I think its not in their interest to see that man overthrowed.

IronsightSniper wrote:So you're basis for American culture is based off of Hollywood movies? >.> Bad examples all around.

To be quite honest, the difference between American conquest of the Americas and the Chinese conquest of Tibet was the awareness of the world and the recognition of sovereignties. As you might guess, back then, no one outside of the fat cats and pencil pushers could give a frak about the Americas. Back in the middle of the century, people outside of Tibet actually cared about Tibet. People being the basis of democracies, would thus put a level of care on that state. Tibet was a sovereign state, and no disrespect, but Native Americans were barbarians. Like the Gauls or the Slavs.


I don't understand how you're inferring that Oil in general is a good thing. I'm simply stating that the Libyan liberalization of their markets will draw U.S. Investors, primarily in Energy, to them, which would reak profits to us. Being the linchpin of the World Economy, a rich U.S. is a good U.S. More money for our public systems and Universities and more innovations and inventions. Remember, we had a plan to build a Solar base on the Moon, had it not been for that Obama guy.