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Post n°376

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medo Wed Mar 18, 2015 4:35 pm

http://www.aex.ru/news/2015/3/18/131729/

18 марта, AEX.RU – Корпорация «Иркут» модернизирует самолеты ВВС России Су-30СМ для того, чтобы они могли нести крылатые сверхзвуковые ракеты. Об этом сообщает Lenta.ru со ссылкой на руководителя предприятия Олега Демченко.

По его словам, сейчас в Минобороны разрабатывается план соответствующих мероприятий, изыскиваются источники финансирования.

Ранее сообщалось, что корпорация «Иркут» доработала индийский истребитель Су-30МКИ под применение сверхзвуковой крылатой ракеты BrahMos-A, создававшейся совместно Россией и Индией на основе экспортной российской ракеты «Яхонт». По такой схеме будут модернизированы 42 самолета индийских ВВС.

Irkut is modernizing Russian Su-30SM, that they will carry Onyx/Yakhont anti-ship missiles, based on Indian modernization to carry Brahmos missiles.

I would more like to see integration of Club missiles on Su-30/34/35, specially land attack cruse missiles with 1500+km range, which will give them good stand off capability.

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magnumcromagnon Wed Mar 18, 2015 4:54 pm

medo wrote:http://www.aex.ru/news/2015/3/18/131729/

18 марта, AEX.RU – Корпорация «Иркут» модернизирует самолеты ВВС России Су-30СМ для того, чтобы они могли нести крылатые сверхзвуковые ракеты. Об этом сообщает Lenta.ru со ссылкой на руководителя предприятия Олега Демченко.

По его словам, сейчас в Минобороны разрабатывается план соответствующих мероприятий, изыскиваются источники финансирования.

Ранее сообщалось, что корпорация «Иркут» доработала индийский истребитель Су-30МКИ под применение сверхзвуковой крылатой ракеты BrahMos-A, создававшейся совместно Россией и Индией на основе экспортной российской ракеты «Яхонт». По такой схеме будут модернизированы 42 самолета индийских ВВС.

Irkut is modernizing Russian Su-30SM, that they will carry Onyx/Yakhont anti-ship missiles, based on Indian modernization to carry Brahmos missiles.

I would more like to see integration of Club missiles on Su-30/34/35, specially land attack cruse missiles with 1500+km range, which will give them good stand off capability.

The land attack 3M-54 missile has a 2,600km range.

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medo Wed Mar 18, 2015 6:43 pm

magnumcromagnon wrote:

medo wrote:http://www.aex.ru/news/2015/3/18/131729/

18 марта, AEX.RU – Корпорация «Иркут» модернизирует самолеты ВВС России Су-30СМ для того, чтобы они могли нести крылатые сверхзвуковые ракеты. Об этом сообщает Lenta.ru со ссылкой на руководителя предприятия Олега Демченко.

По его словам, сейчас в Минобороны разрабатывается план соответствующих мероприятий, изыскиваются источники финансирования.

Ранее сообщалось, что корпорация «Иркут» доработала индийский истребитель Су-30МКИ под применение сверхзвуковой крылатой ракеты BrahMos-A, создававшейся совместно Россией и Индией на основе экспортной российской ракеты «Яхонт». По такой схеме будут модернизированы 42 самолета индийских ВВС.

Irkut is modernizing Russian Su-30SM, that they will carry Onyx/Yakhont anti-ship missiles, based on Indian modernization to carry Brahmos missiles.

I would more like to see integration of Club missiles on Su-30/34/35, specially land attack cruse missiles with 1500+km range, which will give them good stand off capability.

The land attack 3M-54 missile has a 2,600km range.

Good, but let us take conservative range. Anti-ship Club missile have a range around 600 km. With that range Su-30SM could made an attack on ships outside the range of the most capable naval AD missiles. Such range could make a problem also to carrier based fighters, as they will have to patrol very far away to intercept it before missile launch and even in that case Su-30SM will be very hard nut as it is one of the best fighters. Russian NAVY will receive with Su-30SM and Yakhont/Club combination very potent anti-ship complex.

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sepheronx Wed Mar 18, 2015 7:17 pm

medo wrote:

magnumcromagnon wrote:

medo wrote:http://www.aex.ru/news/2015/3/18/131729/

18 марта, AEX.RU – Корпорация «Иркут» модернизирует самолеты ВВС России Су-30СМ для того, чтобы они могли нести крылатые сверхзвуковые ракеты. Об этом сообщает Lenta.ru со ссылкой на руководителя предприятия Олега Демченко.

По его словам, сейчас в Минобороны разрабатывается план соответствующих мероприятий, изыскиваются источники финансирования.

Ранее сообщалось, что корпорация «Иркут» доработала индийский истребитель Су-30МКИ под применение сверхзвуковой крылатой ракеты BrahMos-A, создававшейся совместно Россией и Индией на основе экспортной российской ракеты «Яхонт». По такой схеме будут модернизированы 42 самолета индийских ВВС.

Irkut is modernizing Russian Su-30SM, that they will carry Onyx/Yakhont anti-ship missiles, based on Indian modernization to carry Brahmos missiles.

I would more like to see integration of Club missiles on Su-30/34/35, specially land attack cruse missiles with 1500+km range, which will give them good stand off capability.

The land attack 3M-54 missile has a 2,600km range.

Good, but let us take conservative range. Anti-ship Club missile have a range around 600 km. With that range Su-30SM could made an attack on ships outside the range of the most capable naval AD missiles. Such range could make a problem also to carrier based fighters, as they will have to patrol very far away to intercept it before missile launch and even in that case Su-30SM will be very hard nut as it is one of the best fighters. Russian NAVY will receive with Su-30SM and Yakhont/Club combination very potent anti-ship complex.

It isn't the problem of launching the missile, but the tracking of the target. These aircrafts can launch such missiles no problem, but if the missile has nothing guiding it to the target, then it becomes a problem, even if it "picks up" the target with its own guidance system. Reason why they are using Onyx/Yakhont is that it works in conjunction with the radar of the aircraft on detecting/tracking the target. If the ship sits still, then they could use such other missiles, but ships don't usually.

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George1 Thu Mar 19, 2015 7:49 am

Russia’s Su-30 fighters upgraded to carry supersonic cruise missiles

India has started flight tests of the first Su-30MKI multirole fighter modified by Russian and Indian specialists to carry BrahMos-A supersonic cruise missiles

LANGKAWI /Malaysia/, March 19. /TASS/. Russian Sukhoi Su-30 (Flanker-C) multirole fighter jets are getting an upgrade to carry supersonic cruise missiles. The planes will be modernized both for the Russian Air Force and the Indian military aviation.

India has started flight tests of the first Su-30MKI multirole fighter modified by Russian and Indian specialists to carry BrahMos-A supersonic cruise missiles, BrahMos Aerospace Russian-Indian Joint Venture Head Sudhir Mishra told TASS on Thursday at the Langkawi International Maritime and Aerospace Exhibition (LIMA’2015) in Malaysia.

The work on the second Su-30MKI fighter jet is continuing and the aircraft "will be ready this year," Mishra said.

The BrahMos Aerospace head said the flight tests for the Su-30 fighter jets would be over this year.

India has allocated $1.1 billion to purchase 200 BrahMos-A missiles to be installed on Indian Air Force Su-30MKI fighter jets. A total of 42 Su-30 fighters will be modernized at the production facilities of India’s HAL corporation to carry supersonic cruise missiles.

In Russia, military aircraft, including Su-30SM fighters, will be modernized at the Irkut aircraft corporation to carry supersonic cruise missiles, Irkut CEO Oleg Demchenko said at the LIMA’2015 air show.

When asked whether the Russian Air Force would follow India’s example to modernize Su-30SM to be fitted out with supersonic cruise missiles, the Irkut head said the Russian Defense Ministry was working out a relevant plan of measures and looking for financing sources to carry out modernization.

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medo Thu Mar 19, 2015 12:03 pm

sepheronx wrote:

medo wrote:

magnumcromagnon wrote:

medo wrote:http://www.aex.ru/news/2015/3/18/131729/

18 марта, AEX.RU – Корпорация «Иркут» модернизирует самолеты ВВС России Су-30СМ для того, чтобы они могли нести крылатые сверхзвуковые ракеты. Об этом сообщает Lenta.ru со ссылкой на руководителя предприятия Олега Демченко.

По его словам, сейчас в Минобороны разрабатывается план соответствующих мероприятий, изыскиваются источники финансирования.

Ранее сообщалось, что корпорация «Иркут» доработала индийский истребитель Су-30МКИ под применение сверхзвуковой крылатой ракеты BrahMos-A, создававшейся совместно Россией и Индией на основе экспортной российской ракеты «Яхонт». По такой схеме будут модернизированы 42 самолета индийских ВВС.

Irkut is modernizing Russian Su-30SM, that they will carry Onyx/Yakhont anti-ship missiles, based on Indian modernization to carry Brahmos missiles.

I would more like to see integration of Club missiles on Su-30/34/35, specially land attack cruse missiles with 1500+km range, which will give them good stand off capability.

The land attack 3M-54 missile has a 2,600km range.

Good, but let us take conservative range. Anti-ship Club missile have a range around 600 km. With that range Su-30SM could made an attack on ships outside the range of the most capable naval AD missiles. Such range could make a problem also to carrier based fighters, as they will have to patrol very far away to intercept it before missile launch and even in that case Su-30SM will be very hard nut as it is one of the best fighters. Russian NAVY will receive with Su-30SM and Yakhont/Club combination very potent anti-ship complex.

It isn't the problem of launching the missile, but the tracking of the target. These aircrafts can launch such missiles no problem, but if the missile has nothing guiding it to the target, then it becomes a problem, even if it "picks up" the target with its own guidance system. Reason why they are using Onyx/Yakhont is that it works in conjunction with the radar of the aircraft on detecting/tracking the target. If the ship sits still, then they could use such other missiles, but ships don't usually.

I think even ship or sub based Club or similar long range anti-ship missiles are not depending on radar guidance from the ship as enemy ships will be far under radar horizon and radar will not see them. Su-30/34/35 have quite powerful radars to detect planes at long ranges, so they could detect ships at 600 km range, although there is still a problem of radar horizon even if those planes fly at 20.000 m altitude. So Club like missile will anyway need outside source of target information (satellites, OTH radars, etc) and delivered to them through data link and SATCOM. With given coordinates, missile will fly with inertial and satellite guidance and in given location lock it with its own radar. Ships are not as fast as planes, so they will not move that far away.

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GarryB Fri Mar 20, 2015 6:49 am

Club and Brahmos are generally fired towards a location where the target is expected to be where the missiles themselves will then turn on their own radars and start looking for the targets.

When fired in volleys however the Brahmos... like the Onyx and Yakhont will then operate as a group with a designated leader that will climb and scan from altitude and then process what it has detected and drop down to fly with the other missiles. It will pass target data to the other missiles and allocate missiles to targets detected based on their size and identity... a carrier would get 4-6 missiles allocated to it, while a corvette would only have one missile directed at it... obviously depending on the number of missiles in the group and the number of targets detected.

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George1 Tue Mar 24, 2015 6:24 am

Irkutsk aviation plant will supply 27x Su-30SM for the air force and NAVAL aviation as well as and 12x Yak-130 , told reporters on Tuesday the Deputy Defence Minister, Yuri Borisov.

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medo Wed Mar 25, 2015 12:32 pm

Interesting, last year Irkut said, that they will deliver 30 Su-30SM to Russian MoD in 2015. Mistake or reduction in production numbers?

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Honesroc Wed Mar 25, 2015 1:04 pm

medo wrote:Interesting, last year Irkut said, that they will deliver 30 Su-30SM to Russian MoD in 2015. Mistake or reduction in production numbers?

Could be a consequence to the Ukrainian conflict. I think I read somewhere that the UAC previously relied on Ukrainian manufactures for hydraulic components of their fighter aircraft, though I suspect their are multiple factors involved here.

At any rate, I've noticed that projected production numbers typically fluctuate over time.

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mack8 Thu Mar 26, 2015 5:08 pm

Video and report from Irkutsk:
http://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/201503241735-vi39.htm

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medo Tue Apr 14, 2015 4:44 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOffXIaFu9o

Irkut is preparing a new batch of Su-30SM for RuNAVY. on video is a new bort 38.

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mack8 Tue Apr 28, 2015 4:10 pm

The unusual belly cammo of VMF Su-30SM bort 36. Sevastopol, Crimea.

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Cyberspec Tue Apr 28, 2015 9:12 pm

Grey on top?

A bit unusual but I kinda like it

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mack8 Sun May 03, 2015 10:17 am

Bort 38 at Irkutsk.

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George1 Mon May 04, 2015 5:19 am

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1289348.html

1 Su-30sm is being tested.
Another 3 are under operational tests also (probably one of them will be the 5th for naval aviation of 1st contract).
2 contracts for naval su-30sm (5+7) as we have said

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mack8 Wed May 13, 2015 1:33 pm

Su-30M2 bort 45:
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GunshipDemocracy Mon May 18, 2015 4:08 pm

GarryB wrote:Club and Brahmos are generally fired towards a location where the target is expected to be where the missiles themselves will then turn on their own radars and start looking for the targets.

When fired in volleys however the Brahmos... like the Onyx and Yakhont will then operate as a group with a designated leader that will climb and scan from altitude and then process what it has detected and drop down to fly with the other missiles. It will pass target data to the other missiles and allocate missiles to targets detected based on their size and identity... a carrier would get 4-6 missiles allocated to it, while a corvette would only have one missile directed at it... obviously depending on the number of missiles in the group and the number of targets detected.

I was always curious if there is possible dynamic re-allocation during attack. I.e. 6 Clubs approach AC, but air CIWS takes down say 3 of them. Could they dynamically re-allocate targets in such situation? like remaining missiles will re-target from corvettes to AC?

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GarryB Tue May 19, 2015 7:06 am

AFAIK the main threat would be medium range missiles and the CAP taking out the high flier missile that acquires the required information first... in such case losing one or more missiles from the pack should involve a reallocation of targets.

CIWS will only be effective (Phalanx especially) at the last few hundreds of metres... remember it might be a 20mm cannon but the functional DU core is only a 12.7mm slug of DU and considering the number of rounds fired and the manouvering incoming target and the fact that a large conventional warhead can still do a lot of damage even 300m short of the target... odds are if the target is relying on CIWS it is probably dead.

It would probably be too late to reallocate targets at that point in the engagement.

Note the Granit and Onyx are reported to have angled titanium plates protecting their warheads from armour penetrating round... at two times the speed of sound the missile... even disabled covers over half a kilometre a second... of course against a carrier at least two or three will light up the sky like sunrise if you know what I mean... ... ie you will need a pair of these: Cool

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nemrod Tue May 19, 2015 6:20 pm

GunshipDemocracy wrote:
I was always curious if there is possible dynamic re-allocation during attack. I.e. 6 Clubs approach AC, but air CIWS takes down say 3 of them. Could they dynamically re-allocate targets in such situation? like remaining missiles will re-target from corvettes to AC?

To make echo what wrote Garry, a few time ago I read interview from US ex-admiral during the 70's or 80's. At the question about how could US task forces and aircrafts if a conflct with Soviet Union occured. The admiral aswered that US Navy could survive just only, and in the best case few days on sea. If US could find an harbor, a shelter, US navy could survive in the best cases not more one week. This interview was done several decades ago, imagine what would be now ? In 1987, there was an incident in the persic gulf, an iraqi Super Etendard launched mistakenly an -frencheese anti ship missile production- exocet against US task force, the US fregate Stark was nearly sank, it killed around 40 US sailors, and several dozens were wounded. In that time the Phalanx was availlable with US Task Force, but US failed to intercepted basic anti ship subsonic missile. Imagine now...
CIWS, Phalanx, so-called US anti-missile shields or not, US Navy, as US air Force, they could not resist the new supersonic anti ships missiles, and new russian-chinese aircrafts. Especially the interresting indian-russian project to embed a Brahmos inside a Su-30. Once the Brahmos II will be availlable, it will set the definitive end of US Navy.