Su-30 for Russian Air Force

GarryB wrote:The vendetta on this forum against MiG is amusing...

what vendetta? MiGs simply are not built anymore neither for Russian AF nor for Navy for years. They are old, worse then Sukhois and that's why being gradually replaced. That's natural process. Shitty priority bases let them "die gracefully" by tainign new pilots.

Well if Russia some day needs light fighter perhaps VSTOL populates MiGs niche.



BTW shouldn't we use English on this forum only? This is an Italian word

The 14th Guards Fighter Aviation Regiment in Kursk received another Su-30SM fighter

The new Su-30SM fighter (airborne number "61 red") built by the Irkutsk Aviation Plant (IAP) of PJSC "Irkut Corporation", arrived in the 14th Guards Fighter Aviation Regiment of the 105th mixed aviation division of the 6th Leningrad Red Banner Army of the Air Force and air defense of the Western Military District at the Khalino airfield (Kursk). 30.11.2018 (c) Russian Ministry of Defense

According to Alexei Ivanov, the commander of the fighter who arrived in the Kursk region, who made a flight more than 5 thousand km long from the airfield of the Irkut manufacturer, they also received and tested all aircraft systems at the plant, as well as the first overflight of the fighter.
“Everything went in a regular mode, although the weather did not please everyone everywhere, but the aircraft was weatherproof and copes well in any zone. Soon we will complete the acquisition of the second squadron and at the end of the year we will carry out another stage. It will be a big celebration for the whole regiment, ”added Ivanov.

Comment bmpd. Thus, the 14th Guards Fighter Aviation Regiment of the 105th Mixed Aviation Division of the 6th Leningrad Red Banner Army Air Force and Air Defense of the Western Military District at the airfield of Khalino (Kursk) entered the regiment with the former MiG-29SMT fighter regiment another Su-30SM fighter built for the Russian Aerospace Forces at the Irkutsk Aviation Plant (IAP) of the Irkut Corporation PJSC (part of the United Aircraft Building Corporation JSC) and made an independent flight from Irkutsk. Ortovy number "61 red" (alleged serial number 10MK5 1601). The airborne numbers and inscriptions on the aircraft are printed according to the new standard scheme for the Russian Aerospace System, which looks very awkward.

Earlier, in 2018, ten new Su-30SM fighter jets, built for the Russian Armed Flight Forces at the IAP for defense orders in 2018, arrived on the 14th Guards Fighter Aviation Regiment in Kursk. On April 27, four fighters with red side numbers from 51 to 54 "(serial numbers from 10MK5 1509 to 10MK5 1512), on July 3, two more aircraft arrived with red onboard numbers" 55 "and" 56 "(estimated serial numbers 10MK5 1515 and 10MK5 1516), and on September 8, four fighters with red onboard numbers "57", "58", "59" and "60" (RF-8 registration numbers 1768, RF-81769, RF-81770 and RF-81771, respectively, the estimated serial numbers from 10MK5 1517 to 10MK5 1520). In addition, in 2017, the 14th Guards Fighter Aviation Regiment received 12 Su-30SM fighters built by IAP (red side numbers from "71" to "82"), which made it possible to rearm one regiment squadron from MiG-29SMT fighter jets. Now the re-equipment of the Su-30SM and the second squadron is being completed. The total number of Su-30SM in the regiment has reached 23 units, and by the end of the year another aircraft will be completed to complete the two-squadron regiment.

Recall that in total, since 2012, 116 Su-30SM aircraft have been contracted for the Russian Ministry of Defense, of which 88 were originally reported for the Russian Air Force (WKS), and another 28 for the Naval Aviation of the Russian Navy. Taking into account the new fighters received, the Russian Aerospace Forces under the signed contracts have thus received a total of 91 Su-30SM fighters so far, and Naval Aviation - 22. Another eight Su-30SM fighters were delivered to Kazakhstan in 2015-2017.

Earlier, former Deputy Minister of Defense of Russia Yuri Borisov said that the IAZ production program provides for the delivery of 14 Su-30SM airplanes to the Ministry of Defense in 2018, including 12 for the VKS, and two for Naval Aviation of the Russian Navy. Thus, to date, according to the 2018 program, IAZ delivered the VKS 11 Su-30SM airplanes, and two aircraft, the Naval Aviation of the Russian Navy (the last two with blue side numbers "76" and "77" arrived on July 1 to the 72nd aviation Baltic Fleet aviation base at the Chernyakhovsk airfield in the Kaliningrad region).

From above, it appears like the 116 order is going to be 92 (1 lost) for the Air Force and 24 for the Navy.

Su-30SM in Kursk regiment are receiving ECM pods.

Merry Christmas.

George1 wrote:so next year will be delivered only 2?

Have you missed them signing a new contract? Even though it wasn't officially announced you can be sure that there are more coming.

+36.

https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3308751.html

George1 wrote:so next year will be delivered only 2?

2 are pending for next year, but a new contract will be signed soon

The number to deliver next year probably will be about 14 again, the first 4 for Navy (to complete Kaliningrad squadron) an about 10 for VKS (4 or 5 are necesary to complete Millerovo regiment, also necesary several "two seats" for Besovets Su-35 regiment, and is not discardable a couple more for Lipestk)

Five early RuAF Su-30 are now in Krasnodar ARZ for overhaul and possible modernization. They could be easily upgraded to Su-30KN standard. Together with 6 ex-Indian Su-30K in Belarus, they could form another squadron. I wonder, who could be a buyer. RuAF doesn't need them as they have far more modern Su-30SM.

medo wrote:

Five early RuAF Su-30 are now in Krasnodar ARZ for overhaul and possible modernization. They could be easily upgraded to Su-30KN standard. Together with 6 ex-Indian Su-30K in Belarus, they could form another squadron. I wonder, who could be a buyer. RuAF doesn't need them as they have far more modern Su-30SM.

Interesting, I though former baseline Su-30 were written away.
Could them be used together with MK2 or is a completely different standard?

marcellogo wrote:

medo wrote:

Five early RuAF Su-30 are now in Krasnodar ARZ for overhaul and possible modernization. They could be easily upgraded to Su-30KN standard. Together with 6 ex-Indian Su-30K in Belarus, they could form another squadron. I wonder, who could be a buyer. RuAF doesn't need them as they have far more modern Su-30SM.

Interesting, I though former baseline Su-30 were written away.
Could them be used together with MK2 or is a completely different standard?

Modernized to Su-30KN, they will have similar capabilities as MK2, so no problem to use them together. There are differences as those basic Su-30 are from Irkut and MK2 is from KNAAPO. KN modernization package is also from Irkut.

marcellogo wrote:

medo wrote:

Five early RuAF Su-30 are now in Krasnodar ARZ for overhaul and possible modernization. They could be easily upgraded to Su-30KN standard. Together with 6 ex-Indian Su-30K in Belarus, they could form another squadron. I wonder, who could be a buyer. RuAF doesn't need them as they have far more modern Su-30SM.

Interesting, I though former baseline Su-30 were written away.
Could them be used together with MK2 or is a completely different standard?

Not probably modernization at ARZ 275.
That ARZ only repair/MLU
Modernization KN is made in Belarus.
In Russia, at this moment the modernizations are made at the Sukhoi plants

This airplanes only were used for training at Lípetsk for two decades. The last two were grounded in 2015
Is probably that airplanes Su-30 (Su-27PU) will return to Lípetsk as only there are 4 Su-30SM and none Su-27UB/UP in the Flanker squadron

Also is posible to use that airplanes for new squadrons/regiments of Flankers that are going to be formed in the next two years (Kaliningrad, Khotilovo, North district ??)  , for the same role the Su-30M2 have in this momento

Anyway the ARZ´s need work for keep the jobs, once the new Su-30/35 are brand new and for the moment does not need go to ARZ
ARZ´s are still repairing more MiG-29 , Su-27 and Su-24 than really necesary

http://www.militarynews.ru/story.asp?rid=1&nid=500762

I'm pretty certain it's more than 60 they need to order for VKS

Contract of a batch of 4 Su-30SM for Armenia

https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3514999.html

Armenia acquired four Su-30SM fighters

According to the newspaper Kommersant in the material by Ivan Safronov and Alexandra Dzhordzhevich "Russia sold fighter jets to Armenia like themselves. Four Su-30CMs went to the buyer at Russian prices" which the Armenian armed forces should receive in 2020.

As it became known to Kommersant, for the implementation of the transaction with an ally of the CSTO, the Russian negotiators made serious concessions: they not only allocated a loan, but also sold the aircraft at Russian domestic prices rather than export prices. This contract can be considered symbolic for the Armenian authorities as a whole, and for the Prime Minister of Armenia Nikol Pashinyan: for the first time in decades, the Air Force of the country acquires a new aircraft that is not used.

On signing a new agreement on Su-30SM fighter jets on Thursday, Sputnik agency reported with reference to the press service of the Armenian Defense Ministry. The defense ministry confirmed the fact of the deal, but did not specify either the number of aircraft purchased or the amount of the contract, adding only that “the process of acquiring weapons within the framework of the $ 100 million loan previously allocated by the Russian side is at the implementation stage”. In Rosoboronexport (a special exporter of Russian weapons) and the Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation, “Kommersant” refrained from commenting.

The Armenian military began to show substantive interest in the Su-30SM back in 2010 because of the need to update the air force fleet (they are based on Soviet aircraft, most of which need major repairs and modernization).

Moreover, as “Kommersant” reported earlier, approximately in 2012, Moscow and Yerevan signed a contract, under the terms of which Armenia was to receive at least 12 fighters for several years. But the agreement did not enter into force due to the financial difficulties of the customer.

miketheterrible wrote:I'm pretty certain it's more than 60 they need to order for VKS

"more than 60" is for the Ministry of Defence, VKS+Navy

This number refers only to the minimum number of aircraft that must be replaced surely in existing units

In the Navy 50 for complete squadrons replacing the Su-24M/MR in the three existing regiments currently
In the Air Force about 15 for complete the Millerovo regiment and the "two seaters" for the 4 regiments with Su-35 nowadays

This is 65 or "more than 60" that the press sais

However in long term is very proably that Navy gets another regiment for Pacific Fleet and also all flanker regiments get Su-30SM for "two seaters" , so this menas other 36 in total


I think we will see several smalll contracts for 30 or 36 each, or as much the first contract for 48 and later other smaller contracts


The production will be in about 24-28 year, 14 for Russia and 10-14 for export

Ths year Belarus will get the first 4 and Kazakhstan 12 in two years, probably 6 each
Next year 2020 Armenia also has plan to get the 4 contracted today

Is there a clear understanding of what the modernization entails, apart from "Russification" of the plane? Talk was new radar, engines etc. but I guess this is a later step. Will the planes still be called SM or SM2?

Apparently radar improved detection range and what not. So what is the perameter? What was the exact adjustments.

I think the 'increased detection' is probably reference to the IRST, my understanding they have been using Thales gear for that -> is likely to be one of the things replaced with a domestic equivalent/improvement.


Regarding import substitution stuff: the need to make an upgrade to put in Russian bits makes me wonder if some of the recently completed planes might have been completed without some of the foreign gear ie not full capability if exports of those components have been blocked?

Or would Russia have had a sufficient store of components to complete a bunch of planes, perhaps made some bigish orders when sanctions started being rolled out?

If there have been incomplete planes sent out its the sort of thing you'd expect western intel to leak to the trash propaganda -> infinite articles about it -> their absence presumably means its not the case.

Edit: also interesting news that India is planning to buy a further 18* Su-30MKI, I thought they'd done with their orders long ago?
Perhaps attrition replacements? http://militarynews.ru/story.asp?rid=1&nid=500779

They we're never using French irst. It was Russian since day one.

The only thales tech was the HUD for it.

I also read that it specified radar extending range.

Austin recently posted an article about Russian civilian aircraft production and domestic components replacing foreign parts... and the article actually mentioned that KRET had managed to replace the avionics components from Thales, and that the parts actually improved performance and were cheaper, so I rather suspect there was a bit of this as well with the military systems too.

More about India Su-30MKI order https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3518648.html
Basically says its replacement for older planes going out of service which were supposed to be replaced by Rafale & Tejas which haven't emerged in sufficient numbers.
Will bring them up to 18 squadrons.
Also helpfully keeps factory busy while waiting on MS-21 production to ramp up.

hoom wrote:More about India Su-30MKI order https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3518648.html
Basically says its replacement for older planes going out of service which were supposed to be replaced by Rafale & Tejas which haven't emerged in sufficient numbers.
Will bring them up to 18 squadrons.
Also helpfully keeps factory busy while waiting on MS-21 production to ramp up.

Those will be assembled in the Hindustan Aeronautics Limited company.