Su-25 attack aircraft

GarryB wrote:Interesting vid of the missile launch fail.

I remember having a discussion with someone on the internet about the cold launch system for Russian SAMs and he was convinced that the cold launch system was flawed because if it was thrown up into the air and dropped down onto the deck such a large solid fuelled missile would immediately explode and set all the other missiles on fire and practically destroy the ship.

He suggested the cold launch system should be angled out so that ejected missiles would land in the water if they did not start properly.

Of course I did not think the cold launch system would fire if there was something wrong with the launch system.

Of course having said that a cold launch system is actually a good thing because this missile did nothing but sometimes when a solid rocket motor fails, it often just explodes, so exploding inside the missile tube would seriously damage the vehicle it is mounted on and risks setting off other nearby missiles.

Having said all that your comments about the rough air field performance of the Su-25 are interesting.

I remember seeing a video done during the testing of the aircraft where they removed the wheels and fitted skis for takeoff and landing in deep mud.... now that was impressive.

d_taddei2 wrote:Anyone know approximately the cost of
Su-25SM ($30mn?)
Su-25SM3 ????

GarryB wrote:

The explosion is not really dangerous. They are are not HEAT missile but carries a lot of small metalic fins to dammage aircrafts. There is one of the missile that explodes in the video and it disn t made the other explode.

Sorry what?

That missile carries a 150kg HE Frag warhead and yes it would be very devastating if it did explode properly.

In this case nothing exploded.

In the case you mention I expect it was the propellent that exploded.

If the warhead had exploded all the other missiles nearby would also have been exploded and there would have been a huge crater.

A 50kh HE bomb will kill the crew of an Abrams tank.... the pressure wave crushes them but also sets off the ammo inside too.

An explosion three times bigger is a much bigger problem...

Do you have of the video of the su25 ?? That should be awsome to watch !!

No, unfortunately I don't.

I saw the video on a TV programme, but I have seen stills from the video in a book.

Here is a still image:

franco wrote:

d_taddei2 wrote:Anyone know approximately the cost of
Su-25SM ($30mn?)
Su-25SM3 ????

25SM and 25SM3 are both rebuilds and not new. The 25SM3 costs were announced as approximately $6.5 ml US per to upgrade a Su-25 to Su-25SM3.

http://twower.livejournal.com/2120002.html

d_taddei2 wrote:

franco wrote:

d_taddei2 wrote:Anyone know approximately the cost of
Su-25SM ($30mn?)
Su-25SM3 ????

25SM and 25SM3 are both rebuilds and not new. The 25SM3 costs were announced as approximately $6.5 ml US per to upgrade a Su-25 to Su-25SM3.

http://twower.livejournal.com/2120002.html

But if Russia was to sell Su-25SM3 to another country? ?

franco wrote:

d_taddei2 wrote:

franco wrote:

d_taddei2 wrote:Anyone know approximately the cost of
Su-25SM ($30mn?)
Su-25SM3 ????

25SM and 25SM3 are both rebuilds and not new. The 25SM3 costs were announced as approximately $6.5 ml US per to upgrade a Su-25 to Su-25SM3.

http://twower.livejournal.com/2120002.html

But if Russia was to sell Su-25SM3 to another country? ?

Not sure of a price but they would have to take the aircraft from their stock so until a replacement is found probably is not happening. They may upgrade the customers present stock and I'm sure the price would be higher then $6.5 ml.

franco wrote:The VKS maintains 10 operational squadrons presently, plus some training aircraft, so you are looking at 150-160 active aircraft of which ~ 80 are 25SM. There would be around 50 or so in storage.

Updated Su-25 is immune to missile attacks of MANPADS


We all experienced as a personal grief the death of pilot Roman Filipov, rightly awarded the title of Hero. The situation in which the downed pilot was, left him no chance to escape, and he acted like a real warrior. More Su-25, known even under the name "Grach", will not be destroyed from MANPADS.
At the airbase in Kubinka there is a large batch of real super-Su-25SM3 superstructures ready for dispatch to the troops. In fact, under a well-known name, cars, one might say, of a new generation will enter the system. At the Su-25SM3 new on-board radio-electronic equipment is installed, and exclusively domestic development and production. Upgraded avionics will allow the use of more modern missiles, including guided missiles, as well as corrected air bombs.

The stormtroopers had the opportunity to strike not only all types of ground targets, but also to conduct an air battle. They have a wide range of speeds - from almost a thousand to one hundred kilometers per hour without stalling in a tailspin. The practical ceiling of the Su-25SM3 reaches ten thousand meters. Without refueling, it can fly 1850 km. Su-25SM3 will also be effective in combating unmanned aerial vehicles. "Rooks" received satellite navigation GLONASS. According to experts, it allows you to specify the final point of flight with an accuracy of ten meters. That is, even in conditions of reduced visibility, the attack aircraft will definitely reach the designated target and will deal a crushing blow.

As a result of all innovations, the combat effectiveness of the new-old aircraft increased almost threefold.



The combat effectiveness of the Su-25SM3 in comparison with the Su-25 increased almost threefold
But perhaps most importantly, the stormtroopers received almost absolute protection from MANPADS. In Russia, they were able to create a complex that is guaranteed to protect against missiles with thermal homing heads such as "Stinger" or "Needle."

Complexes are called "Vitebsk". They are installed on all Ka-52 helicopters. In general, according to the order of the commander-in-chief of the Air Force Colonel-General Alexander Zelin, not a single rotorcraft designed for operation in hot spots should be sent to the troops without the Vitebsk complex on board. Therefore, they are equipped with Mi-8 in Syria. The efficiency of the complex has already been confirmed. The Russian Mi-8 helicopter, transporting a humanitarian cargo in the province of Ham on October 8, 2016, was fired from a man-portable air defense missile system. The rocket passed by. To this day, not one of our helicopters, equipped with such a complex, missile of MANPADS was shot down.


https://rg.ru/2018/02/11/obnovlennyj-su-25-stal-neuiazvim-dlia-raketnyh-udarov-pzrk.html

medo wrote:I wonder, when will RuAF start modernizing their twin seaters Su-25UBs. It's nonsense to have non modernized twin seaters with modernized Su-25SM, but even more nonsense to have non modernized twin seaters with Su-25SM3. It's like having MiG-21UB with Su-27 fighters. They need to modernize them to SM3 standard.

franco wrote:

medo wrote:I wonder, when will RuAF start modernizing their twin seaters Su-25UBs. It's nonsense to have non modernized twin seaters with modernized Su-25SM, but even more nonsense to have non modernized twin seaters with Su-25SM3. It's like having MiG-21UB with Su-27 fighters. They need to modernize them to SM3 standard.

My understanding is one or two were but then it was decided that the frames were too used and not worth the investment.

franco wrote:There are only 5 active so far, apparently another 16 will soon be joining them.

AMCXXL wrote:

franco wrote:There are only 5 active so far, apparently another 16 will soon be joining them.

There are no one SU-25SM(3) in service. The airplanes in Syria are Su-25SM of the South Military District (Mainly Primorsko-Akhtarsk ans some of Crimea as the lost one last week)

It was made of first bath a total of 43 , including 3 for replace Georgian Was loses
Of the second batch was made 41 that included updates after the Georgian War experience , and the 41 including a contract for 36 (8 2011, 12 2012 , 16 2013) and other of 5 for Kant on 2014
Sincé then , the program of modernization is stopped

For the moment only one photo was shown at Kubinka (Nº50) , despite the airplanes are flying since about 2-3 months
Of the 16 , the first to are a pilot batch of two from Buddyonovsk (Su-25SM of forst batch)
The other are two contract for 14 (5+9) that will go to one squadron of Primorsko-Akhtarsk and probably a couple of examples for Lípetsk.