Russian Gun Artillery Thread

I mean the ukrainians made their pilots into regular infantry and you were laighing at them. Theres NEVER ENOUGH ARTILLERY. Artillery support is hard to come by in the best of times, so any artillery crew counts. Artillery is the god, not king of battle. Infantry are one of the concubines of battle, not the queen. I hope these battalions return to their D-30s. Artillery crews are hard to train, theyre less replaceable than infantry.

Seems to me that new towed guns or at least bringing stored guns back into service would be more expedient than obtaining new SPGs.

This is a movie made by Wanger, it shows a lot of artillery duels and how in the Russian Army it works. It may not be 100% accurate but pretty close.

Excellent movie. Portrays counterbattery warfare well too.

I mean the ukrainians made their pilots into regular infantry and you were laighing at them. Theres NEVER ENOUGH ARTILLERY. Artillery support is hard to come by in the best of times, so any artillery crew counts. Artillery is the god, not king of battle. Infantry are one of the concubines of battle, not the queen. I hope these battalions return to their D-30s. Artillery crews are hard to train, theyre less replaceable than infantry.

I'm sure there is never enough artillery, but they're not suffering the bulk of the casualties - the infantry are. And so its the infantry that need constant replenishment.

During the battle of Mariupol, the Ukrainian marines that surrendered en masse in those videos we saw published - were their communications and logistics platoons. Their infantry platoons had long been wiped out by then.

Having artillery but not enough infantry is no good either. You can't advance, and are vulnerable to attack.

That the russian army lacks infantry is something the same commanders and staff candidly admit.

It is something that begin even at squad level that is made by an assault section of 2-3 men and a fire support section of 4 (and squad leaders are prescribed to stay with support section).
Platoon is three such squads, company is three platoons, a battalion 27 such squads, so 54 assault infantry only.
Brigades were made just adding some divisional level support unit to the former regiments and no more infantry at all.
So in the end the SV are a sort of inverted Pyramid, lot of heavy weaponries but no real infantry in them (except than in mountain brigades i.e. 2 in total).

Hence because in Mariupol, Lisychansk and now Soledar/Bakhmut fightings footages you will see almost exclusively Naval infantry, VDV, Chechens, Rosgvardjia's SOBR teams and Wagner.

Lack of infantry was visible from day one not only in size but how stretched out the man power was.   There  where plenty of  cases of  24-25 men of infantry support for  regular tank battalion.  Or 5-6 men strong rifle squads.  etc, etc.

MoD simply applied for years a lot of shine and polish to the readiness reports and it seems plenty of contract soldiers existed only on paper.  And it also quite clear now that  most of the MoD didn't expect to march into Ukraine either.

but their new BMPs are bigger and can carry 10 troops again so this problem is being fixed

Are you referring to Kurganets? I wonder when these units along with Bumerang will be fielded in significant numbers in the Russian army

Both boomer and kurgy are as far as I know supposed carry a squad of 8 men along with additional crew of 3 with a with a emergency extra seat for one more men.

In BMP-2 platoon the squad commander had also the function of vehicle commander and sit in turret but get out with the infantry squad.
Platoon commander will also do the same and the only one to remain in place would be the will be the vice-platoon commander that will act as the commander of the bronegruppa i.e. the vehicle's units that could also operate independently from the infantry.
It was however not an optimal solution as only a BMP over three would have a proper commander.
Probably, already in case of the BMP-3 the problem could already has been solved but I have no precise data on its own squad's composition.

Artillery control complexes of the Tablet family


The effectiveness of the combat use of artillery systems of all classes depends not only on their own tactical and technical characteristics and the training of crews. Of great importance are the complexes and fire control systems used, which are responsible for processing incoming information and calculating data for firing. One of the latest domestic developments in this area are the control complexes of the Tablet family, which have already been brought to service in the army.

Portable version

One of the developers of control systems for Russian artillery is the All-Russian Research Institute "Signal" (Kovrov), which is part of the NPO High-Precision Complexes under Rostec. At the beginning of the last decade, the institute, on its own initiative and in agreement with the Ministry of Defense, began developing the so-called. small-sized wearable complex for automating the control of artillery and mortar units (KSAU-MN).

For several years, VNII "Signal" completed the design work, and in the second half of the decade brought the new KSAU-MN to the test. In 2019, the product successfully passed state tests and received a recommendation for acceptance for the supply of artillery units. By this time, the complex was called "Tablet-A".

In August 2020, it became known that VNII Signal received the first state contract for the production of new complexes. At that time, the organization was preparing a production line and in the near future planned to transfer the first batch of products to the customer. The needs of the troops in "Tablets-A", the ordered number of such devices, the cost of the contract, etc. were not reported.

To date, the artillery units of our army have received a number of Tablet-A complexes, mastered them and tested them in training grounds. According to domestic media, the new KSAU-MN are actively used during the Special Operation to Protect Donbass. With their help, artillery is included in full-fledged reconnaissance and strike systems with high speed and accuracy of fire.

The main buyer of "Plates-A" is the Russian army, but foreign orders are also expected. Back in 2020, VNII "Signal" completed the development of the export image of the complex. It provides for some specific differences and the possibility of integration with foreign means of intelligence, communications, etc.

Self-propelled variant

The basic version of KSAU-MN "Tablet-A" is made in the form of several devices in shipping cases and is wearable. It is easy to use and has the necessary characteristics and capabilities. At the same time, portable execution imposes some restrictions, which we decided to get rid of in the new project.

In 2021, VNII Signal presented the Tablet-M-IR artillery control automation system. Its main difference lies in the use of a self-propelled base in the form of an armored car. The shown prototypes were built on the basis of the Athlete machine, but other platforms can also be used.

The necessary radio-electronic equipment, food supplies, etc. are placed in the interior of the armored car. In addition, two automated workplaces of operators were organized at once. From the point of view of the composition of devices, technical and operational characteristics, Tablet-M-IR differs significantly from the basic complex with the letter “A”, but its functions, tasks and capabilities generally remain the same.

Currently, the mobile version of KSAU-MN is being tested, the results of which will decide its future. The positive experience of the previous project and the specifics of the work of modern artillery suggest that the Tablet-M-IR will be of interest to the Russian army and will also enter the troops in the foreseeable future.

Devices and their capabilities

The portable complex "Tablet-A" is a set of several tools of various kinds with different functions. All of them have minimal dimensions and weight, making it easy to integrate them into the equipment of the gun or battery commander. Protected cases with built-in chargers and batteries are intended for storage and transportation of these devices.

The main element of KSAU-MN is the commander's tablet computer. This device is in a durable sealed case, built on a modern domestic element base, with special software. The computer interfaces with wireless communications, intelligence systems, etc., which ensures the reception and delivery of data.


Workplaces of the self-propelled complex "Tablet-M-IR"

The commander's tablet determines the location of the artillery unit, receives and processes information about targets from various sources, and also calculates data for firing. It is reported that in the memory of "Tablet-A" there are data on all artillery systems and ammunition in service with the Russian army. This allows him to control the fire of any units, regardless of their equipment. In addition, it is possible to supplement the database when new types of weapons or ammunition appear.

Information about the terrain and targets is given using different maps, both military and taken in open civilian services. This approach makes it possible to obtain more complete and up-to-date information about the combat area and enemy positions.

A special small-sized terminal is intended for gun commanders. This is a small wrist device with a screen for displaying information and a radio communication system. With its help, the crew commander receives ready-made data for firing, calculated by the subunit commander's tablet.

The mobile complex "Tablet-M-IR" differs from the wearable one in the composition of devices and in some capabilities. So, his calculation includes two people, which allows you to distribute work and solve more problems. In addition, new means of communication with a longer range and other advantages have been introduced in the mobile KSAU-MN.


In the recent past, the development organization has talked about the possibility of introducing additional features. So, Tablet-M-IR could not only work with data in digital form, but also receive a video signal and other information from reconnaissance UAVs. This would speed up the process of preparing for firing and simplify the adjustment of fire. In addition, a drone with a laser designator that interacts with the "Tablet" can be used to guide corrected projectiles.

There is a fundamental possibility of further modernization of both versions of the Tablet. They can be upgraded by replacing communication or computing devices with analogues with higher performance. In addition, the timely updating of the database of weapons and ammunition used for calculations is of great importance.

In the process of refurbishment

Thus, a new convenient and successful means of fire control appeared at the disposal of our gunners. The Tablet-A wearable complex is mass-produced and supplied to units and subunits of the ground forces, where they are used with various types of artillery systems. In addition, a mobile version of such a complex with improved characteristics and an extended list of functions has been created and is being tested.

Obviously, the production and implementation of such control systems is of great importance for the development of ground artillery. The industry has mastered their production and gradually covers the needs of the troops, providing them with the necessary capabilities. In addition, in parallel with the production, the development of the original product is carried out, as a result of which the complex receives new functions. All this allows us to be optimistic about the prospects of our field artillery.

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Would it take much to develop a bigger krasnopol or similar round for pion?

To Hole,
Where did you find this episode of Combat Approved? I cannot find it on Youtube or otvaga2004....

And ofc no flox or drok in the area of SMO

Limb if Russia was allotted 250 to 300 billion a year in defense I might sympathize with you. Up till very recently they have had a defense budget about the size of the big European states. While they have been floundering Russia has a land, sea, and aerospace complex that rivals all of Europe.

Woulent you be more comfortable in one of the many doomer ruskie defense forums? Ffs it seems us outsiders care about Russia's sovereignty more than many Russians.

Russia has more or less defined its nuclear tipped rounds precisely to nuclear weapons in strategic and tactical sense. I don't believe they bothered to develop anything new beyond maybe some basic research papers and that's it. I don't really see it reasonable or necessary to use such rounds in today's conflicts and can be used only for last resort weapons.

Unlike US that uses depleted Uranium rounds. While effective, you can get rather close to its performance with newer rounds and no need for radioactive dangers.

But I wouldn't be surprised if some companies and research groups are looking at restarting such a development if the west keeps playing stupid games.

Edit: Don't bother with Limb. Guys a troll. And honestly, if everyone just put him on ignore, he may go away.

Anymore info on that shell, e.g. name, yield, year etc? It looks slightly different from the RD4-01, but not by much.