Question Thread: Russian Army

I need information about AEK-971 and an-94 plz

Why don't you google it?

google not helping me...

10misha10 wrote:google not helping me...

Help you find what? There are plenty of info on wiki and other sites. If you don't specify what you want to know, this thread will be closed.

An 94 called Abakan 94:
Caliber: 5.45x39 mm
Action: Gas operated, rotating bolt; moving barrel-receiver-gas drive group for delayed recoil action
Overall length: 943 mm (728 mm with butt folded)
Barrel length: 405 mm
Magazine capacity: 30 rounds
Weight, without magazine: 3.85 k g
Cyclic rate of fire: 1800 and 600 rounds per minute variable (see description below for explanation)
Maximum effective range: 700 meters

The AN-94 assault rifle had been officially adopted by the Russian Army and the Ministry of Internal Affairs in 1994 as a possible replacement for the venerable Kalashnikov AK-74 series assault rifles. The AN index means "Avtomat Nikonova", or Nikonov Assault rifle. This rifle had been designed by the Gennady Nikonov, a Russian arms designer, at the IZHMASH state factories, during the late 1980s and early 1990s. This rifle, initially known as the ASN prototype, had been developed for and submitted to the Russian Army trial contest, held in the early 1990s. This contest, known under the code name "Abakan" (a small city in Russia), was intended to develop the more effective replacement for the AK-74 assault rifles. The ASN was tested among the many other prototypes and eventually won the trials, and was consequently adopted. Originally it was intended to replace most, if not all, AK-74 rifles in the Russian service, but it soon turned out that the complete replacement is impossible due to the economical (mostly) and some other reasons. At the present time the AN-94 is considered as the "professionals' choice", and is used in limited numbers by the elite forces of the Russian Army, police and Internal Affairs Ministry. The main body of the Russian armed forces are still armed with the Kalashnikov assault rifles, and AK-type rifles will remain in service for a long time, most probably.


http://world.guns.ru/assault/as08-e.htm

I HOPE THIS COULD HELP YOU. I LL GET SOME INFO ABOUT AEK 971

AEK
Caliber: 5.45x39mm (AEK-971), 5.56x45 (AEK-972) and 7.62x39mm (AEK-973)
Action: Gas operated, rotating bolt, balanced
Overall length: 965 mm
Barrel length: 420 mm
Weigth: 3.3 kg without magazine
Magazine capacity: 30 rds, all standart AK-47 or AK-74 magazines depending on caliber

The AEK-971 assault rifle was developed at Kovrov Machinebuilding Plant (formerly known as Kovrov Machineguns Plant) by chief designer S.I. Koksharov. Originally designed and tested during 'Abakan' trials of late 1980s, it failed in trials, but its development was continued in hopes to sell the gun to police forces and for export. During early 2000s small batches of AEK-971 rifles in 5.45x39 caliber were manufactured for Russian MVD (internal affairs ministry) troops, but its production has ceased in 2006, as Kovrov Machinebuilding Plant got rid of all military production and switched to civilain products only. All plans, tools and technological packages for AEK weapons were transferred to the ZID plant in the same city, but production of the AEK-971 was not resumed due to the lack of orders that might warrant expensive tooling and production setup at new factory.

The AEK-971 assault rifle has a gas driven, balanced action with rotating bolt locking. Balancing mean that AEK971 gas drive has two gas chambers and two gas pistons. The first gas piston is linked via a gas rod to the bolt carrier and operates as usual. The second gas piston is linked to a balancing steel weight and moves in the opposite direction to the main gas piston. Both pistons are synchronized through a simple gear. This design is intended to eliminate three of the four elements of action impulses, which cause a rifle to move during full-auto fire. The first impulse is received when the bullet moves along the barrel - this is the basic recoil itself. The second impulse is received when the heavy bolt carrier/bolt group moves along the receiver back and forth. The third impulse is received when bolt carrier/bolt group slams against the receiver in the rear position, and the fourth when this group is stopped in the forward position after a new cartridge is chambered. The synchronous and opposite movement of the balancing weight eliminates all except the recoil impulse, so the rifle becomes far more stable during full-auto fire.
The gain in accuracy in full auto is about 15-20%, when compared to the AK-74 assault rifle in the same caliber. The AN-94 assault rifle, which was officially adopted by Russian army, has a slight edge over the AEK-971 only in short burst (2 rounds only) mode. In full-auto medium or long burst fire mode (3-5 or 7-10 rounds per burst) AEK-971 wins hands down, being also some 0.5kg lighter than the AN-94, and much simpler and cheaper to manufacture.

Sukhoi37_Terminator wrote:An 94 called Abakan 94:
Caliber: 5.45x39 mm
Action: Gas operated, rotating bolt; moving barrel-receiver-gas drive group for delayed recoil action
Overall length: 943 mm (728 mm with butt folded)
Barrel length: 405 mm
Magazine capacity: 30 rounds
Weight, without magazine: 3.85 k g
Cyclic rate of fire: 1800 and 600 rounds per minute variable (see description below for explanation)
Maximum effective range: 700 meters

The AN-94 assault rifle had been officially adopted by the Russian Army and the Ministry of Internal Affairs in 1994 as a possible replacement for the venerable Kalashnikov AK-74 series assault rifles. The AN index means "Avtomat Nikonova", or Nikonov Assault rifle. This rifle had been designed by the Gennady Nikonov, a Russian arms designer, at the IZHMASH state factories, during the late 1980s and early 1990s. This rifle, initially known as the ASN prototype, had been developed for and submitted to the Russian Army trial contest, held in the early 1990s. This contest, known under the code name "Abakan" (a small city in Russia), was intended to develop the more effective replacement for the AK-74 assault rifles. The ASN was tested among the many other prototypes and eventually won the trials, and was consequently adopted. Originally it was intended to replace most, if not all, AK-74 rifles in the Russian service, but it soon turned out that the complete replacement is impossible due to the economical (mostly) and some other reasons. At the present time the AN-94 is considered as the "professionals' choice", and is used in limited numbers by the elite forces of the Russian Army, police and Internal Affairs Ministry. The main body of the Russian armed forces are still armed with the Kalashnikov assault rifles, and AK-type rifles will remain in service for a long time, most probably.


http://world.guns.ru/assault/as08-e.htm

I HOPE THIS COULD HELP YOU. I LL GET SOME INFO ABOUT AEK 971

The AEK and AN-94 are in use Russian army???

The Russian army compared both riffles and choosed the An94, to replace older Ak74M.
MVD troops have already reviced their new Nikonov Assault riffles. However the biggest part of the Russian army still use the AK74m and AKS74m. In a few word the AN 94 is in limitated service, but soon it will have wider usage.
The AEK 971 isn`t in production or usage.

Sukhoi37_Terminator wrote:The Russian army compared both riffles and choosed the An94, to replace older Ak74M.
MVD troops have already reviced their new Nikonov Assault riffles. However the biggest part of the Russian army still use the AK74m and AKS74m. In a few word the AN 94 is in limitated service, but soon it will have wider usage.
The AEK 971 isn`t in production or usage.

ok ty and one more why AEK isn't in production?

Izhmash is going to be making a revolutionary AK in the near future, this will be the new standard infantry weapon.

Vladimir79 wrote:Izhmash is going to be making a revolutionary AK in the near future, this will be the new standard infantry weapon.

A possible Bullpup assault rifle? I cannot wait!

There are 2 weapon programs that we have heard about for some time now. The Pak-FA & the T-95. In this case my question revolves around the T-95. When is this machine will be shown to the public? For over a decade I read about a revolutionary design with a 135 to 152mm main gun, 3 man positioned inside the hull, turret less design etc.. In 2009 we were supposed to have been introduced to this vehicle. When will it be presented?

2010.... How about introducing yourself here?

http://russiadefence.forumotion.com/member-introductions-and-rules-f6/

There are 2 weapon programs that we have heard about for some time now. The Pak-FA & the T-95. In this case my question revolves around the T-95. When is this machine will be shown to the public? For over a decade I read about a revolutionary design with a 135 to 152mm main gun, 3 man positioned inside the hull, turret less design etc.. In 2009 we were supposed to have been introduced to this vehicle. When will it be presented?

Ohhhh snap, but yeah read the rules first

i have seen some videos on Youtube i don't know if it is the real T-95 anywhay great Main Battle Tank ! Russia Rulles:)

fabyak47 wrote:i have seen some videos on Youtube i don't know if it is the real T-95 anywhay great Main Battle Tank ! Russia Rulles:)

The only video on YouTube that had any relevancy was the one were they had covered armored vehicles being transported on a train. A high ranking officer was saying that this tank looked different then it's predecessors and should be shown to the public "soon." I think the word "soon" is open to interpretation. All other videos show the Black Eagle as a T-95 which is incorrect.

aaa now i understand i whait to see it soo

Hi,

I have read that foreign units have been invited to participate to the next Victory Day parade in Moscow.

Does anybody have the exact list of the units which we will march on that day?

Thanks!

Nearly 1,000 veterans from all republics of the former USSR will arrive in Moscow to view the parade on Red Square. The tribunes for them have already been erected along the Kremlin wall. The leaders of Bulgaria, Vietnam, Germany, Greece, Israel, Italy, China, Macedonia, Mongolia, Serbia, Slovakia, France, Latvia, Slovenia, Croatia, the Czech Republic, Estonia and many other countries will arrive in Moscow for festive celebrations of the 65th anniversary of the victory.

The leaders of Ukraine, Belarus, the USA and Britain will not be able to come to Russia for personal reasons. The politicians referred to busy schedules. Moldova ’s acting president Mikhai Grimpu was very rude in his response to Russia’s invitation: “I have no ties with the Russian capital and I have nothing to do on Red Square on May 9th,” he said.

Georgia ’s Mikhail Saakashvili is the only leader of post-Soviet republics who did not receive an invitation to Moscow.

Military men from the countries of the anti-Hitler coalition – the USA, Britain and France – will also take part in the parade. The total number of military men participating in the parade exceeds 10,000 people, which is 2,500 more than in 2009. The parade will last for 80 minutes instead of traditional 60.

source: http://english.pravda.ru/russia/history/113315-1/

France: Normandy Neman

British : Windsor Royal Guard ( cannot remeber batilion number)

USA: 82 Airborne Divison - Charlie Company 173th regiment ( if not mistaken)

So here's a question, what's so different about the RPG-29?

It weighs 18.8 kg ready to fire, and is 1.85 m long ready to fire, about the height of a grown man. It's Penetrative capabilities according to Rosoboronexport is 600 mm of RHAe after ERA. If no ERA is used, I heard that it's capabilities has an added 200 mm RHAe. Wikipedia says differently, and puts it at 750 mm RHAe after ERA. Assuming that the precursor charge's penetrative capabilities are the same, then that's about 950 mm RHAe v.s. no ERA.

It has seen combat action, I've seen 2 videos of it used v.s. an M1A2 Abrams, both were flank attacks. The first one apparently hit the back side of the Abrams, caused no casualties. The second one apparently hit the side of the turret, killed the gunner. It's also been used against Merkava IVs, don't know the results of those. It's also been used against the Challenger 2, hit the bottom glacis, broke through the ERA and got a little perforation; ruined the driver's foot.

Estimates put the Challenger 2's bottom glacis at about 850 mm RHAe. The ERA blocks used are quite hefty, assuming similar performance to Kontakt-5 and assuming the ERA did it's job but failed due to the tandem warhead, indicates that the RPG-29's main charge can go through at least 850 mm of RHAe. Assuming it's performance is similar and it didn't do it's job (like how British newspapers reported), than that's about 1050 mm RHAe of penetration v.s. no ERA for the RPG-29.

So, bottom line is that I've seen a lot of numbers thrown at me, 600 mm from Rosonboronexport, 750 mm from Wikipedia and other sources, and 850 mm from combat performance. Which one is it?

Finally, the RPG-7 weighs 7 kg. It's only 0.95 meters long. The PG-7VR tandem-heat weighs 4.5 kg, so the entire system ready to fire weighs 11.5 kg, significantly lighter and shorter than the RPG-29. It's penetrative abilities are about 700 mm RHAe after ERA. So repeating my original question, what makes the PG-29V so different yet have similar performance estimates as the PG-7VR?

The main difference is in the rocket motors.

The RPG-7 has unlimited calibre for the warhead but limited to 40mm for the rocket motor to propel the grenade. This means the RPG-7 can match and even exceed the performance of the 105mm RPG-29.
For example the RPG-28 has a 125mm warhead and an RPG-7 could fire a rocket warhead of this calibre.
The 105mm calibre RPG-29 cannot fire a rocket of that calibre.

The advantage the RPG-29 has is that its more powerful motor means it can handle the heavy warheads and has a flatter trajectory and shorter flight times.

With a 105mm tandem warhead the RPG-7 rocket with the designation PG-7VR can hit targets to 200m while the 93mm single warhead PG-7VL rocket has a range of 300m.

The equivelent disposable rocket launcher is the RPG-27 with a 105mm tandem warhead also has a sighting range of 200m.

The RPG-29 firing a tandem 105mm warhead has a sighting range of 500m.

So rocket motors explain similar penetration figures disregarding warhead sizes?

No.

Different rocket motors explain different effective ranges with the same warheads.

On paper the RPG-7 is superior because it has no limit on its warhead size so it can carry larger warheads than the RPG-29.
Warhead size is a significant factor in warhead penetration.

In practise however the RPG-29 has more than double the effective range of the RPG-7 with the same warhead because it has a larger diameter rocket motor of much greater power that burns out within the launcher.

Getting to 500m from a tank and firing is safer than having to get to 200m.

The RPG-7 is smaller and lighter and probably easier for one man to load and fire. To operate the RPG-29 you need two crew, one to load and one to hold the weapon and fire.

That wasn't actually my question.