Russian Gun Artillery Thread

Thinking possible that is reason they have not been in a hurry to do the Tornado-U's and Tornado-S's. Maybe only a Tornado-S with 150km range is needed.

franco wrote:SP Artillery Numbers
- includes Ground Forces, Naval Infantry and Coastal plus Airborne
- normal battalion has 18 firing pieces, rounded up to 20 to allow unit spares
- does not include training, reserve or storage pieces

2S1 - 340 (17 bns)
2S3 - 840 (42 bns)
2S4 - 8 (1 bn)
2S5 - 140 (7 bns)
2S7 - 12 (1 bn)
2S9 - 370 (16 bns + 7 btys)
2S19 - 600 (30 bns) last production received in 2014
2S23 - ~50 not sure if used as a bn mortar bty
2S34 - ~50 not sure if used as a bn mortar bty or replacing 2S1 bns
2S35 - 12 delivered this year, main production starts next year
A-222 - ~30 Berg 130mm Coastal Artillery, status not sure

Rocket Artillery Numbers
- broke down by caliber to include all types

122 - 980 (49 bns) at least 8-10 bns have upgraded Tornado-G
220 - ~200 ( 4 units of 24 and 8 units of 8 Uragan = 160 plus 5-15 units of 3 TOS-1A)
300 - 24 (2 brigades of 12 each)

SP Antitank Numbers
- part of the Artillery & Rocket Forces
- organized into companies of 9, rounded up to 10 to allow spares

BTR-RD - 120 (12 coys) AT-4/5
9P148 - 200 (20 coys) AT-5
9P149 - 960 (96 coys) AT-6
9P157 - ~50 (started production replacing the 9P149) AT-15
Tigr/Kornet - ~10 (just delivered, starting production) AT-14
2S25 - ~30 delivered, awaiting upgrading before resuming production

franco wrote:It is very interesting, another way to contrast if the info of many sources is right or not.

It would be posible to have the same scheme for no-man-portable towed artillery? Your point on it would be very interesting since many sources care less about towed artillery.

I try to project these numbers from active units as opposed to what may be in storage etc.

Towed Artillery

2A18 D-30 122mm field howitzer - 120 (bn of 12 for 4 abn div = 48 plus bty of 6 for 4 abn bde = 24 plus bty of 6 for 8 spetz bde = 48)
Nona-K 120mm gun/mortar - ~30 (maybe used in place of D-30's in some Spetz bdes)
MT-12 Rapira 100mm gun - 270 (bty of 6 for 35 MR bdes plus bty of 6 for 10 arty bdes)
2A36 152mm field gun - 100-120 (5-6 bn of 18 in 18th MG div (2) and Coastal Artillery bdes)
2A65 152mm field howitzer - 160-200 (8-10 bn of 18 in Artillery bdes)

Notes - you would expect the 100mm MT-12 AT gun to be obsolete for destroying tanks but the Russian artillery keeps it as an artillery "sniper" weapon

franco wrote:I try to project these numbers from active units as opposed to what may be in storage etc.

franco wrote:Another of may doubts is about the systems that are not man-portable but are not as heavy as the previous. As example between 100Kg and 1000Kg. Do you considered them in this list? I'm thinking as example in the 2B11/2S12 Sani 120mm, 2B9, 2B23,... (systems of this size).

There would be a bty of 6 mortars with Infantry type battalions. Sometimes 4 with the light or Special forces. By my count there are ~125 motor rifle battalions, 18 naval infantry bns, 36 airborne bns plus 16 spetsnaz bns. That will give a total of a 1200 maximum with about 70% being 120mm.

JohninMK wrote:The Akatsiya self-propelled howitzer, in service since 1971, has gone smart with the help of an all-new system of automated homing and fire control.

The 2S3M3 system also analyzses and relates a wealth of vital data to the crew, from the current location of both the gun and its target, all the way to automatic fire control. The system helps the gunners to better coordinate their action and ensures their survival in real-life combat situations. The addition of the 2S3M3 artificial “brain” has breathed new life into the veteran howitzer bringing it up to par with the most advanced modern-day counterparts and leaving 20th century artillery far behind.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/russia/20150902/1026492023/russia-howitzer-smart-technology.html#ixzz3kaue0YsK

JohninMK wrote:The Akatsiya self-propelled howitzer, in service since 1971, has gone smart with the help of an all-new system of automated homing and fire control.

The 2S3M3 system also analyzses and relates a wealth of vital data to the crew, from the current location of both the gun and its target, all the way to automatic fire control. The system helps the gunners to better coordinate their action and ensures their survival in real-life combat situations. The addition of the 2S3M3 artificial “brain” has breathed new life into the veteran howitzer bringing it up to par with the most advanced modern-day counterparts and leaving 20th century artillery far behind.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/russia/20150902/1026492023/russia-howitzer-smart-technology.html#ixzz3kaue0YsK

GarryB wrote:I suspect the plan is to get rid of the 122mm calibre completely, in tube artillery anyway, which suggests the 2S34 Hosta, which is the 2S1 122mm SPH with a 120mm gun/mortar replacing the 122mm gun shows the mechanised 122mm is going, so I would expect the 120mm NONA to replace the towed weapon in service too.

Militarov wrote:I assume 2B16 Nona Ks are still in service in some numbers? From what i heard there are around 100ish in service, but what is bugging me why they never replaced D30s with towed Nonas, imo that would be good option since atm it looks like Russians are lacking newer light artillery systems.

franco wrote:

Militarov wrote:I assume 2B16 Nona Ks are still in service in some numbers? From what i heard there are around 100ish in service, but what is bugging me why they never replaced D30s with towed Nonas, imo that would be good option since atm it looks like Russians are lacking newer light artillery systems.

Very few Nona-Ks are used and I'm not sure why. The D-30 could still be popular because of greater range and direct fire option.

Well times changed, you dont have anymore much of need to use direct fire due to quite big amounts of ATGMs around, automatic grenade launchers etc and greatly increased accuracy of disposable

GarryB wrote:

Well times changed, you dont have anymore much of need to use direct fire due to quite big amounts of ATGMs around, automatic grenade launchers etc and greatly increased accuracy of disposable

On another thread you are welcoming the return of large calibre guns in the anti aircraft role... but in the ground to ground role you think guns are obsolete and missiles can do everything... the Soviets/Russians have long had Grad in 122mm calibre but has never replaced tube with rocket artillery... each have their strengths and weaknesses and both have a place.

eehnie wrote:
The mortars of 82mm successors of the old 2B9 Vasilek (over 600Kg) are of man-portable size since the 1980s. The 2B14 Podnos is of 42 Kg, and the modern 2B24 and 2B25 have 45Kg and 13Kg of weight. This is the artillery of man-portable size I was talking about. It is succeeding in the Russian Armed Forces like the self propelled artillery.

In the other side, in recent years the development of heavier towed artillery seems to have the purpose of developing guns for new self propelled artillery models and/or for export, since there is not a single model since the 80s succeeding with significant number or orders for the Russian Armed Forces. The 2B23 (over 400Kg) maybe the best known case and even has not English Wikipedia or warfare.be articles.

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/2%D0%9123

Russia has some advantage here. Other countries have not enough developed their self propelled artillery to think about to replace the towed artillery, but Russia can think about it even in the short term. The movement is predictable since the current heavy towed artillery in service is from the 80s or before, and will not remain forever

Militarov wrote:Also very important aspect is the price wich tends to be alot lower for towed than self propelled versions. Russians tho lack really good light towed howtizer atm in class of M777. Except that prototype 2A61 that i belive never saw any orders.

flamming_python wrote:

Militarov wrote:Also very important aspect is the price wich tends to be alot lower for towed than self propelled versions. Russians tho lack really good light towed howtizer atm in class of M777. Except that prototype 2A61 that i belive never saw any orders.

Yes I always thought that if there's one piece of military hardware that Russia should import (rather - produce domestically under license) from the UK/US - it should be the M777. Shouldn't be hard to convert it to 152mm calibre. It would be useful for mountain units in the Caucasus, Russian forces in Tajikistan, Armenia and Syria.

But then again if that 2A61 wasn't needed, then the M777 wouldn't be either - as they both pretty much occupy the same niche.