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2008 South Ossetia War: Photos and Videos
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georgia put herself in awrong situation...
by the way
israel is going to equip georgia with modern hardware....
by the way
israel is going to equip georgia with modern hardware....
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Wouldn't matter if the US gave them F-22s... the best they could hope for is to give Russia a bloody nose and that will likely result in a worse situation for them.
They don't need lots of high tech weapons, what they need is to respect their new neighbours...
They don't need lots of high tech weapons, what they need is to respect their new neighbours...
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when russia give syria some antiship missilesGarryB wrote:Wouldn't matter if the US gave them F-22s... the best they could hope for is to give Russia a bloody nose and that will likely result in a worse situation for them.
They don't need lots of high tech weapons, what they need is to respect their new neighbours...
israel give georgia some new hardware,it's just apolitics..
i agree with you ,georgia must
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Israels relationship to its neighbours has many parallels with Russias relationship with Georgia, but in realistic terms Israel is much more of a bully than Russia is.
Russia does not fly its aircraft all over Georgian airspace. It does fly over South Ossetian and Abkhazian airspace but that would be the same as Israelis flying over only captured land and they do more than that.
Israeli incursions into other countries they suspect of having nuclear weapons programs also makes the comparison different as Russia really only entered actual Georgian territory in response to a Georgian attack. And even then they entered that territory to recover military material used against the new countries created by that conflict that was simply abandoned by the Georgian forces.
The missiles the Russians sold to Syria will mean Israel will need to show Syria a bit more respect.
Georgia will get more respect from Russia when Saakshvili is gone from power.
Russia does not fly its aircraft all over Georgian airspace. It does fly over South Ossetian and Abkhazian airspace but that would be the same as Israelis flying over only captured land and they do more than that.
Israeli incursions into other countries they suspect of having nuclear weapons programs also makes the comparison different as Russia really only entered actual Georgian territory in response to a Georgian attack. And even then they entered that territory to recover military material used against the new countries created by that conflict that was simply abandoned by the Georgian forces.
The missiles the Russians sold to Syria will mean Israel will need to show Syria a bit more respect.
Georgia will get more respect from Russia when Saakshvili is gone from power.
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Centre for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies (CAST) has published new data on the losses of Russia in a five-day war in South Ossetia, August 8-12, 2008 - they were three tanks, armored vehicles and 20 aircraft and six. These data are presented in the article CAST "Loss of Russian military equipment" in an updated anthology "The tanks of August".
"Russia's command and not released official figures on the losses of military equipment in the war. But the study of the available photo and video memories of war veterans and media materials, allowed to make an independent count" - said the CAST.
So, during the fighting the Russians lost three tanks, one T-72B (M), a T-72B and one T-62. All of them were destroyed by the impact of fire. Significantly greater loss of at least 20 units suffered light armored vehicles. Is known about the loss of the conflict, Russian forces at least nine BMP-1, three BMP-2, two BTR-80, a BMD-2, three BRDM-2 and MT-LB. (Most of the lost APC came in peacekeeping battalions: the Russian and South Ossetian). Artillery, multiple rocket launchers, air defense was not lost, the article says.
High losses were cars. In the Southern camp peacekeepers by artillery and tank shelling Russian peacekeeping battalion, which occurred on August 8, in the parking lot was destroyed almost all the motor-vehicle parked there - and it is not less than 20 units. During the fighting August 9 Georgian artillery fire destroyed ten truck GAZ-66 mortar batteries of the 135th and 693rd infantry regiments. Two trucks "Ural" were killed during the day on August 11 in a blow Georgian Mi-24 helicopters. A few more trucks were in serious traffic accidents.
The fighting had been shot down six Russian aircraft: three Su-25, two Su-24 and one Tu-22M3. Even after the end of hostilities in South Ossetia, there was a plane crash, which lost two Russian helicopters - Mi-8MTKO and Mi-24.
Russian Navy during the war losses of personnel or equipment damage from enemy fire was not.
Official personnel losses accounted for 67 soldiers. Still listed missing Ledge sergeant and commander of the downed Tu-22M3 Colonel Alexander Koventsov.
At the same time loss of the Georgian army was officially announced in 2008 and amounted to 170 manpower soldiers and 14 policemen were injured and 2 thousand people, says CAST.
During the fighting, was completely destroyed by the navy of Georgia - two missile boats, and five patrol. Aviation losses were - three AN-2, three Mi-24 helicopters and one Mi-14.
During the fighting had destroyed 15 tanks, burnt on the spot (Gori district) after fighting up to 20 tanks, 30 were taken by the Russian army as war booty.
Army of Georgia lost during the fighting four BMP-2, three BTR-80 armored four "Cobra" (Turkey). 15 BMP-1U (upgraded in Ukraine) and two BMP-2 were taken as war booty.
Georgian artillery had suffered losses as were destroyed during the fighting, four self-propelled 203 mm caliber "Peony", two "Dana" (Czech Republic). As the spoils of war the Russian army has a "Peony", two "Dana" and 20 self-propelled guns of various calibres.
Besides the Georgian army has lost a large number of military transport vehicles (at least 30-40 One unit, freight and passenger cars)
"Russia's command and not released official figures on the losses of military equipment in the war. But the study of the available photo and video memories of war veterans and media materials, allowed to make an independent count" - said the CAST.
So, during the fighting the Russians lost three tanks, one T-72B (M), a T-72B and one T-62. All of them were destroyed by the impact of fire. Significantly greater loss of at least 20 units suffered light armored vehicles. Is known about the loss of the conflict, Russian forces at least nine BMP-1, three BMP-2, two BTR-80, a BMD-2, three BRDM-2 and MT-LB. (Most of the lost APC came in peacekeeping battalions: the Russian and South Ossetian). Artillery, multiple rocket launchers, air defense was not lost, the article says.
High losses were cars. In the Southern camp peacekeepers by artillery and tank shelling Russian peacekeeping battalion, which occurred on August 8, in the parking lot was destroyed almost all the motor-vehicle parked there - and it is not less than 20 units. During the fighting August 9 Georgian artillery fire destroyed ten truck GAZ-66 mortar batteries of the 135th and 693rd infantry regiments. Two trucks "Ural" were killed during the day on August 11 in a blow Georgian Mi-24 helicopters. A few more trucks were in serious traffic accidents.
The fighting had been shot down six Russian aircraft: three Su-25, two Su-24 and one Tu-22M3. Even after the end of hostilities in South Ossetia, there was a plane crash, which lost two Russian helicopters - Mi-8MTKO and Mi-24.
Russian Navy during the war losses of personnel or equipment damage from enemy fire was not.
Official personnel losses accounted for 67 soldiers. Still listed missing Ledge sergeant and commander of the downed Tu-22M3 Colonel Alexander Koventsov.
At the same time loss of the Georgian army was officially announced in 2008 and amounted to 170 manpower soldiers and 14 policemen were injured and 2 thousand people, says CAST.
During the fighting, was completely destroyed by the navy of Georgia - two missile boats, and five patrol. Aviation losses were - three AN-2, three Mi-24 helicopters and one Mi-14.
During the fighting had destroyed 15 tanks, burnt on the spot (Gori district) after fighting up to 20 tanks, 30 were taken by the Russian army as war booty.
Army of Georgia lost during the fighting four BMP-2, three BTR-80 armored four "Cobra" (Turkey). 15 BMP-1U (upgraded in Ukraine) and two BMP-2 were taken as war booty.
Georgian artillery had suffered losses as were destroyed during the fighting, four self-propelled 203 mm caliber "Peony", two "Dana" (Czech Republic). As the spoils of war the Russian army has a "Peony", two "Dana" and 20 self-propelled guns of various calibres.
Besides the Georgian army has lost a large number of military transport vehicles (at least 30-40 One unit, freight and passenger cars)
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Hi Agressor, it is a forum rule that your first post is in the introductions and rules section.
The idea is that you create a thread in there to introduce yourself and perhaps tell others a little about yourself so we know a little about you.
Also a chance for us to welcome you to the forum...
You don't need to delete this thread, but an introduction would be appreciated.
Regarding this thread you don't mention Georgian casualties in the attack on Poti.
Also the suggestion of the loss of 2,000 Georgian civilians is a bit of a stretch isn't it, or are they referring to the South Ossetian civilians killed in the initial artillery attack and invasion by Georgia.
Also as it is your thread are you including the resulting push by Abkhazian forces into Georgian held Abkhazian territory to reclaim lost land?
The idea is that you create a thread in there to introduce yourself and perhaps tell others a little about yourself so we know a little about you.
Also a chance for us to welcome you to the forum...
You don't need to delete this thread, but an introduction would be appreciated.
Regarding this thread you don't mention Georgian casualties in the attack on Poti.
Also the suggestion of the loss of 2,000 Georgian civilians is a bit of a stretch isn't it, or are they referring to the South Ossetian civilians killed in the initial artillery attack and invasion by Georgia.
Also as it is your thread are you including the resulting push by Abkhazian forces into Georgian held Abkhazian territory to reclaim lost land?
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BTW I also noted you called the Backfire lost a Tu-22M3, which is not strictly correct, it is actually a Tu-22MR, which is based on the Tu-22M3, but it is a recon SEAD type aircraft, whereas the Tu-22M3 is a long range strike/bomber aircraft.
Picky I know, but technically the MR is the correct tool for the job, it just needed to be properly upgraded for the role, which was not the case.
A Tu-22M3 on the other hand is a bomber that would be sent in later after the enemy air defence network had been dealt with.
There are rumours that a new Su-34 that was not even in operational service at the time was used to jam the defences and locate SAM sites. There are other suggestions that Mi-9 ESM helos performed that role.
Either way it seems they lost a Backfire and a Fencer because they underestimated their enemy... there is talk that one or two of the lost Frogfoot aircraft were own goals too.
Picky I know, but technically the MR is the correct tool for the job, it just needed to be properly upgraded for the role, which was not the case.
A Tu-22M3 on the other hand is a bomber that would be sent in later after the enemy air defence network had been dealt with.
There are rumours that a new Su-34 that was not even in operational service at the time was used to jam the defences and locate SAM sites. There are other suggestions that Mi-9 ESM helos performed that role.
Either way it seems they lost a Backfire and a Fencer because they underestimated their enemy... there is talk that one or two of the lost Frogfoot aircraft were own goals too.
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I think it's abig loss in aircrafts.!
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GarryB wrote:Hi Agressor, it is a forum rule that your first post is in the introductions and rules section.
The idea is that you create a thread in there to introduce yourself and perhaps tell others a little about yourself so we know a little about you.
Also a chance for us to welcome you to the forum...
You don't need to delete this thread, but an introduction would be appreciated.
Regarding this thread you don't mention Georgian casualties in the attack on Poti.
Also the suggestion of the loss of 2,000 Georgian civilians is a bit of a stretch isn't it, or are they referring to the South Ossetian civilians killed in the initial artillery attack and invasion by Georgia.
Also as it is your thread are you including the resulting push by Abkhazian forces into Georgian held Abkhazian territory to reclaim lost land?
I have nothing against Georgia, South Ossetia or Abkhazia. The thread I created in order to describe the loss of the parties in the fighting equipment, put an end to speculation and to dispel some myths. I own a large volumes of information and if you will allow me to continue, you will learn many interesting things. your opinion?
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You are most welcome to continue with this thread, and I was not questioning your motives.
It is however a forum rule that before you start posting in this forum that you post an introduction thread in the "Member introductions and rules", and I am asking nicely that you follow that rule. I have not prejudged you... the fact that you are here suggests we have a shared interest in Russian military stuff, and I look forward to hearing your view on a range of topics.
The relevant section is here:
http://russiadefence.forumotion.com/f6-member-introductions-and-rules
I look forward to reading the information you have on the conflict in 8 8 8 and discussing it with you, as information is not widely available, and as you mention there are plenty of myths regarding what happened.
I agree, but we need to keep in mind that this was a surprise attack that unfolded rapidly during the opening ceremony of the Olympic Games in Bejing.
I think the thing that helped Russia is that Georgias treatment of South Ossetia made it unpopular in North Ossetia, and there was a general animosity between the Chechens and the Georgians, so rather than taking a week or so to form up a ground force to go and deal with Georgia, I think there were plenty of volunteers from North Ossetia and Chechnia that were more than willing to go and fight the Georgians... the Russian force was made largely of volunteers with an axe to grind so to speak that were well motivated.
If they had been the aggressor and had been performing recon missions to examine the Georgian forces they might have spotted the BUK and other dangerous forces early and would only likely have lost Frogfoot aircraft.
With an upgrade of the Frogfoot to add the President-M self defence suite they might not have lost any aircraft at all, as the system includes DIRCMs which would have defeated the MANPADS that brought them down.
Well they are upgrading all of their Frogfoot aircraft, they are introducing UAVs to improve recon, and the introduction of the Su-34 should greatly improve their electronics capabilities as well as their ability to strike targets.
They did use Tu-22M3s for bombing as shown by this photo:
It is however a forum rule that before you start posting in this forum that you post an introduction thread in the "Member introductions and rules", and I am asking nicely that you follow that rule. I have not prejudged you... the fact that you are here suggests we have a shared interest in Russian military stuff, and I look forward to hearing your view on a range of topics.
The relevant section is here:
http://russiadefence.forumotion.com/f6-member-introductions-and-rules
I look forward to reading the information you have on the conflict in 8 8 8 and discussing it with you, as information is not widely available, and as you mention there are plenty of myths regarding what happened.
I think it's abig loss in aircrafts.!
I agree, but we need to keep in mind that this was a surprise attack that unfolded rapidly during the opening ceremony of the Olympic Games in Bejing.
I think the thing that helped Russia is that Georgias treatment of South Ossetia made it unpopular in North Ossetia, and there was a general animosity between the Chechens and the Georgians, so rather than taking a week or so to form up a ground force to go and deal with Georgia, I think there were plenty of volunteers from North Ossetia and Chechnia that were more than willing to go and fight the Georgians... the Russian force was made largely of volunteers with an axe to grind so to speak that were well motivated.
If they had been the aggressor and had been performing recon missions to examine the Georgian forces they might have spotted the BUK and other dangerous forces early and would only likely have lost Frogfoot aircraft.
With an upgrade of the Frogfoot to add the President-M self defence suite they might not have lost any aircraft at all, as the system includes DIRCMs which would have defeated the MANPADS that brought them down.
Well they are upgrading all of their Frogfoot aircraft, they are introducing UAVs to improve recon, and the introduction of the Su-34 should greatly improve their electronics capabilities as well as their ability to strike targets.
They did use Tu-22M3s for bombing as shown by this photo:
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LOSSES IN GEORGIA TECHNOLOGY
1.TANKS
Who: T-72AV (tactical number 109). Over the blasted tank is a tank abandoned (tactical number 111) which was taken in the booty. The unit is not installed tanks
Where: South Ossetia, Tskhinvali, Isak Harebova Street, entrance of Tskhinvali by the Zar road, in Oak Grove.
August 8 hit South Ossetian militias, or destroyed by the Russian aviation
Who: T-72AV (tactical number 110). The division of the tank is not installed.
Where: South Ossetia, Tskhinvali, Khetagurovo road, near the village Tbet
Thrown on the road on August 8 August 9 passing undermined by Russian troops.
Who: T-72AV (tactical number 125). The division of the tank is not installed.
Where: South Ossetia, Tskhinvali road-Khetagurovo
Abandoned by Georgian forces on August 8. August 9, during the passage of the column the 1st Battalion of the 135th Motorized Rifle Regiment 19 DPA, has been undermined by Major Denis Vetchinovym.
Who: 2 T-72B (tactical numbers failed to install) from the separate Gori Tank Battalion.
Where: South Ossetia, Tskhinvali
crossing the streets of Moscow and the Railway Station (Peacekeeper)
Destroyed during the day on August 8, between 13:00 and 14:00, a group of militia of General Barankevich. Both crew were killed.
Who: T-72AV (unit and tactical number is not installed)
Where: Irrigation canal between Zemo Nikozi and Tskhinvali to 400 meters southeast of the southern camps peacekeepers.
The tank was shooting for a peacekeeping base and was hit morning of August 8 response grenade fire from the base of peacekeepers.
Who: The T-72B (a division and the tactical number is not installed)
Where: South Ossetia, Tskhinvali, Street Heroes
Was hit and burned down on August 8. First, the tank was disabled by transmission, and then fired from an RPG in the back of the tower, where there was no DMZ. The crew managed to from the tank, but was killed in a shootout.
Who: The T-72AV (tactical number 425) from the separate Gori Tank Battalion.
Where: South Ossetia, Tskhinvali, the area of kindergarten № 14
Was hit and thrown into a crew of 8 or 9 August.
Who: tips over the T-72AV. Perhaps because of the mixed mehanezirovannogo Battalion of the 2nd Infantry Brigade
Where: Georgia, settlement Surami
Details are unknown, possibly non-combat losses
Who: The T-72B (tactical number 406) from the separate Gori Tank Battalion
Where: South Ossetia, Tskhinvali
crossing the streets of Moscow and the Railway Station (Peacekeeper)
Destroyed during the day on August 8, between 13:00 and 14:00, General Barankevich. Hit of the RPG-7 in the back of the tower, as a result of the detonation of ammunition tank blown to pieces. Tower flew several meters of reinforced concrete and broke the visor Sovprofa building.
The entire crew of the tank number 406
Lieutenant George Romelashvili Murazovich
Corporal Birtvelishvili Zaza Tamazovich
Corporal Sukhitashvili Otar Dimitrijevic
officially been missing
Who: The T-72B (tactical number 207) from the 2nd Infantry Brigade
Where: Georgia, Senaki
Discovered by Russian troops seized a military base in Senaki and burned.
Who: The T-72B (tactical number 207) from the 2nd Infantry Brigade
Where: Georgia, Senaki
Discovered by Russian troops seized a military base in Senaki and burned.
Who: destroyed Georgian T-72 tanks of various modifications
Where: Georgia, near the town of Gori
In addition to combat losses, after the cessation of hostilities, 15-20 Georgian T-72 tanks had been captured by Russian troops at a military base in Gori and destroyed by explosive demolition near the town of divisions 42 infantry division
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Abandoned and captured Georgian tanks
2.ARMOURED COMBAT VEHICLES
Georgian BMP-2 in Tskhinvali, the crew was thrown
Georgian BMP was blown up on Gori-Tbilisi highway during the withdrawal of the Georgian army
Georgian BMP-2 burned Russian Su-25 in a raid on Georgian convoy
Georgian BMP-2 - blown up by Russian units under Gori after the cessation of hostilities
Padded BTR "Cobra" on Stalin Street № 307
Ossetians in the armored car trophy "Cobra" № 09
By krion109 at 2011-08-06
Burnt by the BTR-80 Gori. Presumably - Georgian
Driving captured Georgian BMP "squall" in Russia. BMP "flurry" of Ukrainian origin were abandoned by Georgian troops on a military base in Gori at full strength (15 cars)
Captured Georgian armored "Humvee" in Poti
3.ARTILLERY, ACS and MLRS
Georgian D-30, abandoned and broken down into firing positions at Gori
Georgian D-30 thrown in Kodori (Abkhazia), all in the Kodori Gorge Abkhazian forces captured six Georgian D-30 and about 2000 rounds to them
Struck by the Georgian howitzer "MSTA-B" was struck by the struggle of the Russian counter-battery artillery shell fuse was installed on the explosive action and worked already in the ground. The gun was damaged and repair mechanisms are not subject to (Data from the forum militarykavkaz.net)
abandoned Georgian MTLB gun MT-12 "Foil"
Captured Georgian guns of Tskhinvali
Burned Georgian ACS vz.77 "DANA" in Gori district
Abandoned and Captured georgian vz.77 "DANA"
Trophy Georgia ACS 2S7 "Pion"
Starting the container from the Georgian MRLS LAR-160 in the Kodori Gorge. According to unconfirmed reports a Georgian MRLS LAR-160 was destroyed in Kodori (Abkhazia)
4.AVIATION
Georgian MI-24 - destroyed by a group of Russian troops on Georgian occupied the air base in Senaki
Georgian MI-24 - destroyed by the Russian military helicopter MI-24 during a raid in the Georgian airbase at Senaki
Destroyed Georgian Mi-14BT - destroyed by the Russian military helicopter MI-24 during a raid in the Georgian airbase at Senaki
Destroyed Georgian military transport aircraft AN-2 in Marneuli - destroyed by air strikes by Russian aviation in the Georgian airbase at Marneuli: total destruction of 3 aircraft parked there and the whole motor-vehicle traffic
5.FLEET
Blown RK "Tbilisi"
Sunk RK "Dioskuria"
Submerged patrol boat P-204
In addition, maritime armed clash at the coast of Abkhazia by the Russian ships had been destroyed a Georgian patrol boats
6.MILITARY TRANSPORT TECHNOLOGY
Burned Georgian KRAZ columns headquarters company of the 2nd Infantry Brigade of Georgian Armed Forces at x / d plant Shindisi. The column was completely destroyed by Russian troops - were killed and 15 Georgian soldiers
Destroyed Georgian KRAZ in villages Mereti. Destroyed by the Russian aviation
Burnt Georgian KRAZ near the village of Ergneti
Abandoned and captured KRAZ
Other trucks
"Tayota Haylyuks," etc.
Burnt Georgian pickup "Haylyuks" in the "oak grove" in the south of Tskhinvali
Bunch of burned-out vehicles from the convoy of Georgian headquarters company of the 2nd Infantry Brigade of Georgian Armed Forces at x / d plant Shindisi
A group of 10 Georgian "Tayot" was destroyed by Russian Su-25 attack near the village of Mereti
Destroyed by the headquarters "LAND ROVER" from the column headquarters company of the 2nd Infantry Brigade of Georgian Armed Forces at x / d plant Shindisi
Abandoned Georgian military truck / transporter MAZ-537 (partially burned)
7.Air defense and SAM
Abandoned anti-aircraft gun S-60 (with MTLB)
Trophy SAM "BUK-M" and TZM (transport-loading machine). Captured at a military base in Senaki: only captured two SAMs and 2 TRV
Captured Georgian "Buki" and TRV - prepared for shipment to the Russian territory to the Georgian-transporters as MAZ-537 (also captured in the same area)
Trophy SAM "OSA-AK" (captured in the vicinity of Gori)
8.OTHER
Broken (or abandoned) mobile Georgian radar P-18
Destroyed Georgian radar 36D6. Struck by a missile from a Russian SU-34
Destruction of civilian Georgian radar station near Tbilisi airport (which was integrated into the defense of Georgia)
Discounted and abandoned IMR-2
Trophy BTS-2
In addition to military equipment to Georgia bases were captured, and there are interesting machines
Georgian mountains of weapons and ammunition
1.TANKS
Who: T-72AV (tactical number 109). Over the blasted tank is a tank abandoned (tactical number 111) which was taken in the booty. The unit is not installed tanks
Where: South Ossetia, Tskhinvali, Isak Harebova Street, entrance of Tskhinvali by the Zar road, in Oak Grove.
August 8 hit South Ossetian militias, or destroyed by the Russian aviation
Who: T-72AV (tactical number 110). The division of the tank is not installed.
Where: South Ossetia, Tskhinvali, Khetagurovo road, near the village Tbet
Thrown on the road on August 8 August 9 passing undermined by Russian troops.
Who: T-72AV (tactical number 125). The division of the tank is not installed.
Where: South Ossetia, Tskhinvali road-Khetagurovo
Abandoned by Georgian forces on August 8. August 9, during the passage of the column the 1st Battalion of the 135th Motorized Rifle Regiment 19 DPA, has been undermined by Major Denis Vetchinovym.
Who: 2 T-72B (tactical numbers failed to install) from the separate Gori Tank Battalion.
Where: South Ossetia, Tskhinvali
crossing the streets of Moscow and the Railway Station (Peacekeeper)
Destroyed during the day on August 8, between 13:00 and 14:00, a group of militia of General Barankevich. Both crew were killed.
Who: T-72AV (unit and tactical number is not installed)
Where: Irrigation canal between Zemo Nikozi and Tskhinvali to 400 meters southeast of the southern camps peacekeepers.
The tank was shooting for a peacekeeping base and was hit morning of August 8 response grenade fire from the base of peacekeepers.
Who: The T-72B (a division and the tactical number is not installed)
Where: South Ossetia, Tskhinvali, Street Heroes
Was hit and burned down on August 8. First, the tank was disabled by transmission, and then fired from an RPG in the back of the tower, where there was no DMZ. The crew managed to from the tank, but was killed in a shootout.
Who: The T-72AV (tactical number 425) from the separate Gori Tank Battalion.
Where: South Ossetia, Tskhinvali, the area of kindergarten № 14
Was hit and thrown into a crew of 8 or 9 August.
Who: tips over the T-72AV. Perhaps because of the mixed mehanezirovannogo Battalion of the 2nd Infantry Brigade
Where: Georgia, settlement Surami
Details are unknown, possibly non-combat losses
Who: The T-72B (tactical number 406) from the separate Gori Tank Battalion
Where: South Ossetia, Tskhinvali
crossing the streets of Moscow and the Railway Station (Peacekeeper)
Destroyed during the day on August 8, between 13:00 and 14:00, General Barankevich. Hit of the RPG-7 in the back of the tower, as a result of the detonation of ammunition tank blown to pieces. Tower flew several meters of reinforced concrete and broke the visor Sovprofa building.
The entire crew of the tank number 406
Lieutenant George Romelashvili Murazovich
Corporal Birtvelishvili Zaza Tamazovich
Corporal Sukhitashvili Otar Dimitrijevic
officially been missing
Who: The T-72B (tactical number 207) from the 2nd Infantry Brigade
Where: Georgia, Senaki
Discovered by Russian troops seized a military base in Senaki and burned.
Who: The T-72B (tactical number 207) from the 2nd Infantry Brigade
Where: Georgia, Senaki
Discovered by Russian troops seized a military base in Senaki and burned.
Who: destroyed Georgian T-72 tanks of various modifications
Where: Georgia, near the town of Gori
In addition to combat losses, after the cessation of hostilities, 15-20 Georgian T-72 tanks had been captured by Russian troops at a military base in Gori and destroyed by explosive demolition near the town of divisions 42 infantry division
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[/URL]Abandoned and captured Georgian tanks
2.ARMOURED COMBAT VEHICLES
Georgian BMP-2 in Tskhinvali, the crew was thrown
Georgian BMP was blown up on Gori-Tbilisi highway during the withdrawal of the Georgian army
Georgian BMP-2 burned Russian Su-25 in a raid on Georgian convoy
Georgian BMP-2 - blown up by Russian units under Gori after the cessation of hostilities
Padded BTR "Cobra" on Stalin Street № 307
Ossetians in the armored car trophy "Cobra" № 09
By krion109 at 2011-08-06
Burnt by the BTR-80 Gori. Presumably - Georgian
Driving captured Georgian BMP "squall" in Russia. BMP "flurry" of Ukrainian origin were abandoned by Georgian troops on a military base in Gori at full strength (15 cars)
Captured Georgian armored "Humvee" in Poti
3.ARTILLERY, ACS and MLRS
Georgian D-30, abandoned and broken down into firing positions at Gori
Georgian D-30 thrown in Kodori (Abkhazia), all in the Kodori Gorge Abkhazian forces captured six Georgian D-30 and about 2000 rounds to them
Struck by the Georgian howitzer "MSTA-B" was struck by the struggle of the Russian counter-battery artillery shell fuse was installed on the explosive action and worked already in the ground. The gun was damaged and repair mechanisms are not subject to (Data from the forum militarykavkaz.net)
abandoned Georgian MTLB gun MT-12 "Foil"
Captured Georgian guns of Tskhinvali
Burned Georgian ACS vz.77 "DANA" in Gori district
Abandoned and Captured georgian vz.77 "DANA"
Trophy Georgia ACS 2S7 "Pion"
Starting the container from the Georgian MRLS LAR-160 in the Kodori Gorge. According to unconfirmed reports a Georgian MRLS LAR-160 was destroyed in Kodori (Abkhazia)
4.AVIATION
Georgian MI-24 - destroyed by a group of Russian troops on Georgian occupied the air base in Senaki
Georgian MI-24 - destroyed by the Russian military helicopter MI-24 during a raid in the Georgian airbase at Senaki
Destroyed Georgian Mi-14BT - destroyed by the Russian military helicopter MI-24 during a raid in the Georgian airbase at Senaki
Destroyed Georgian military transport aircraft AN-2 in Marneuli - destroyed by air strikes by Russian aviation in the Georgian airbase at Marneuli: total destruction of 3 aircraft parked there and the whole motor-vehicle traffic
5.FLEET
Blown RK "Tbilisi"
Sunk RK "Dioskuria"
Submerged patrol boat P-204
In addition, maritime armed clash at the coast of Abkhazia by the Russian ships had been destroyed a Georgian patrol boats
6.MILITARY TRANSPORT TECHNOLOGY
Burned Georgian KRAZ columns headquarters company of the 2nd Infantry Brigade of Georgian Armed Forces at x / d plant Shindisi. The column was completely destroyed by Russian troops - were killed and 15 Georgian soldiers
Destroyed Georgian KRAZ in villages Mereti. Destroyed by the Russian aviation
Burnt Georgian KRAZ near the village of Ergneti
Abandoned and captured KRAZ
Other trucks
"Tayota Haylyuks," etc.
Burnt Georgian pickup "Haylyuks" in the "oak grove" in the south of Tskhinvali
Bunch of burned-out vehicles from the convoy of Georgian headquarters company of the 2nd Infantry Brigade of Georgian Armed Forces at x / d plant Shindisi
A group of 10 Georgian "Tayot" was destroyed by Russian Su-25 attack near the village of Mereti
Destroyed by the headquarters "LAND ROVER" from the column headquarters company of the 2nd Infantry Brigade of Georgian Armed Forces at x / d plant Shindisi
Abandoned Georgian military truck / transporter MAZ-537 (partially burned)
7.Air defense and SAM
Abandoned anti-aircraft gun S-60 (with MTLB)
Trophy SAM "BUK-M" and TZM (transport-loading machine). Captured at a military base in Senaki: only captured two SAMs and 2 TRV
Captured Georgian "Buki" and TRV - prepared for shipment to the Russian territory to the Georgian-transporters as MAZ-537 (also captured in the same area)
Trophy SAM "OSA-AK" (captured in the vicinity of Gori)
8.OTHER
Broken (or abandoned) mobile Georgian radar P-18
Destroyed Georgian radar 36D6. Struck by a missile from a Russian SU-34
Destruction of civilian Georgian radar station near Tbilisi airport (which was integrated into the defense of Georgia)
Discounted and abandoned IMR-2
Trophy BTS-2
In addition to military equipment to Georgia bases were captured, and there are interesting machines
Georgian mountains of weapons and ammunition
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Loss of military equipment RUSSIA
1.TANKS
Who: T-72BM/BU tank from the 141st Tank Battalion separate
Where: South Ossetia, Tskhinvali, South peacekeeping base.
Burned 09/08/2008, at approximately 18-19 hours of the day on the southern outskirts of Tskhinvali, in the location of the base of the Russian peacekeepers. One of the two tanks 141 OTB, forced their way into the location of the peacekeepers in an unsuccessful attempt to release them during the day August 9 by the first battalion of 135 SMEs and 141 tank company OTB. The tank support fire for several hours peacekeepers, exhausted ammunition and was damaged. The crew abandoned him and joined the peacekeepers, and then in the evening August 9 went along with them. Tank commander, Lieutenant Alexander Popov was wounded in the leg.
Who: The T-62M (tactical number 232) from the 70 th Motorized Rifle Regiment 42th Guards Motorized Rifle Division
Where: South Ossetia, Tskhinvali, Moscow street
Hit around noon on August 10 in Tskhinvali, on the street of Moscow. Killing two crew members - Commander of a tank platoon Guard Lieutenant Vitaly Neff and charging tank Guard soldier Serik Kumarov.
Who: The T-72B (tactical number 321) from the 1st Tank Battalion Company 693rd Cavalry Regiment 19th Infantry Division
Where: Georgia, the village of Zemo Khviti
Destroyed around 14.30 on 11 August in the village of Zemo Khviti (Zemo Quito) Outdoor Column 693rd infantry regiment entered the village and was ambushed. The tank was hit by a grenade launcher, as a result of falling into the tank ammunition exploded, killing the entire crew of Lt. Michael Molchan driver's ordinary conscript Maxim Pasko and operator-gunner ordinary conscripts Dmitry Burdenko. Anti-tank calculation Georgians shot down the tank, was in turn destroyed by soldiers of the battalion "Vostok" with the sweep of the village.
2. ARMOURED COMBAT VEHICLES
BRDM-2 reconnaissance company of the 135th Motorized Rifle Regiment from the BTG. Destroyed by hitting the tank armor-piercing projectile.
Severe wound received her mechanic-driver Oleg Riedel (lost his sight)
During the march the regiment in South Ossetia, August 9, an accident with fatalities. Even in Russia, North Ossetia, armored regiment fell from a bridge near the village of Nar.
As a result, killing two soldiers regiment junior sergeants Kondrashov and Tsygankov, three more soldiers were injured.
BTR-80 242-second self-propelled artillery regiment of the 19th mechanized infantry division. Non-combat losses - an accident August 8, 2008 in South Ossetia, the nomination of the regiment.
On the morning of August 8, during a march to the aid of an attacked Tskhinvali the column advanced battalion tactical group 693rd Motorized Rifle Regiment through Guftinsky bridge, the engine of BMP-2 № 005 is stuck right on it. For a quick
Russian BMP-2 from the 135th Regiment. Burned by Georgian mortars on the Dzar Road
A group of three wrecked BMP-1 column from the 1st Battalion, 135th Cavalry Regiment (General Khruleva column). These BMPs were in the head of the column and which was destroyed by Georgians, not the entire column
Russian BMP-2 from the 693rd Motorized Rifle Regiment. Burned in a battle in the village of Zemo Nikozi
Burned Russian machine guns 1V13 fire-control based on MTLB landfill technology in Tskhinvali
When nominating a column by day August 11th battalion of the Georgian territory inland was damaged as a result of "friendly fire" from a Russian Su-25
As a result of fighting and heavy shelling of the Georgian peacekeeping battalion of artillery Russia lost almost all their equipment
3.MILITARY TRANSPORT TECHNOLOGY
Russian GAZ-66. Burned by Georgian mortars on the Zar Road. Total burned 4-10 cars
Russian URAL fell off a cliff. non-combat losses
Frustrated URAL Russian peacekeeping battalion
4. AVIATION
The wreckage of Russian combat aircraft to Georgia and South Ossetia
Non-combat losses, which occurred several days after the end of active hostilities. When landing on a platform near the town of Java hurt Mi-24 helicopter, standing on the ground that led to catastrophe. Mi-8MTKO crashed and caught fire. Killed Alexander Burlachko mechanic, the other three crew members were seriously burned. As a result of fire or explosion of munitions 8MTKO Mi-and Mi-24 were completely destroyed.
1.TANKS
Who: T-72BM/BU tank from the 141st Tank Battalion separate
Where: South Ossetia, Tskhinvali, South peacekeeping base.
Burned 09/08/2008, at approximately 18-19 hours of the day on the southern outskirts of Tskhinvali, in the location of the base of the Russian peacekeepers. One of the two tanks 141 OTB, forced their way into the location of the peacekeepers in an unsuccessful attempt to release them during the day August 9 by the first battalion of 135 SMEs and 141 tank company OTB. The tank support fire for several hours peacekeepers, exhausted ammunition and was damaged. The crew abandoned him and joined the peacekeepers, and then in the evening August 9 went along with them. Tank commander, Lieutenant Alexander Popov was wounded in the leg.
Who: The T-62M (tactical number 232) from the 70 th Motorized Rifle Regiment 42th Guards Motorized Rifle Division
Where: South Ossetia, Tskhinvali, Moscow street
Hit around noon on August 10 in Tskhinvali, on the street of Moscow. Killing two crew members - Commander of a tank platoon Guard Lieutenant Vitaly Neff and charging tank Guard soldier Serik Kumarov.
Who: The T-72B (tactical number 321) from the 1st Tank Battalion Company 693rd Cavalry Regiment 19th Infantry Division
Where: Georgia, the village of Zemo Khviti
Destroyed around 14.30 on 11 August in the village of Zemo Khviti (Zemo Quito) Outdoor Column 693rd infantry regiment entered the village and was ambushed. The tank was hit by a grenade launcher, as a result of falling into the tank ammunition exploded, killing the entire crew of Lt. Michael Molchan driver's ordinary conscript Maxim Pasko and operator-gunner ordinary conscripts Dmitry Burdenko. Anti-tank calculation Georgians shot down the tank, was in turn destroyed by soldiers of the battalion "Vostok" with the sweep of the village.
2. ARMOURED COMBAT VEHICLES
BRDM-2 reconnaissance company of the 135th Motorized Rifle Regiment from the BTG. Destroyed by hitting the tank armor-piercing projectile.
Severe wound received her mechanic-driver Oleg Riedel (lost his sight)
During the march the regiment in South Ossetia, August 9, an accident with fatalities. Even in Russia, North Ossetia, armored regiment fell from a bridge near the village of Nar.
As a result, killing two soldiers regiment junior sergeants Kondrashov and Tsygankov, three more soldiers were injured.
BTR-80 242-second self-propelled artillery regiment of the 19th mechanized infantry division. Non-combat losses - an accident August 8, 2008 in South Ossetia, the nomination of the regiment.
On the morning of August 8, during a march to the aid of an attacked Tskhinvali the column advanced battalion tactical group 693rd Motorized Rifle Regiment through Guftinsky bridge, the engine of BMP-2 № 005 is stuck right on it. For a quick
Russian BMP-2 from the 135th Regiment. Burned by Georgian mortars on the Dzar Road
A group of three wrecked BMP-1 column from the 1st Battalion, 135th Cavalry Regiment (General Khruleva column). These BMPs were in the head of the column and which was destroyed by Georgians, not the entire column
Russian BMP-2 from the 693rd Motorized Rifle Regiment. Burned in a battle in the village of Zemo Nikozi
Burned Russian machine guns 1V13 fire-control based on MTLB landfill technology in Tskhinvali
When nominating a column by day August 11th battalion of the Georgian territory inland was damaged as a result of "friendly fire" from a Russian Su-25
As a result of fighting and heavy shelling of the Georgian peacekeeping battalion of artillery Russia lost almost all their equipment
3.MILITARY TRANSPORT TECHNOLOGY
Russian GAZ-66. Burned by Georgian mortars on the Zar Road. Total burned 4-10 cars
Russian URAL fell off a cliff. non-combat losses
Frustrated URAL Russian peacekeeping battalion
4. AVIATION
The wreckage of Russian combat aircraft to Georgia and South Ossetia
Non-combat losses, which occurred several days after the end of active hostilities. When landing on a platform near the town of Java hurt Mi-24 helicopter, standing on the ground that led to catastrophe. Mi-8MTKO crashed and caught fire. Killed Alexander Burlachko mechanic, the other three crew members were seriously burned. As a result of fire or explosion of munitions 8MTKO Mi-and Mi-24 were completely destroyed.
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1. TANKS
T-55 from the separate Army tank company in South Ossetia. Hit in Tskhinvali, was wounded a driver
2. ARMOURED COMBAT VEHICLES
BMP-2 № 119 from the South Ossetian battalion of "Alania"
BMP-2 № 118 from the South Ossetian battalion of "Alania"
T-55 from the separate Army tank company in South Ossetia. Hit in Tskhinvali, was wounded a driver
2. ARMOURED COMBAT VEHICLES
BMP-2 № 119 from the South Ossetian battalion of "Alania"
BMP-2 № 118 from the South Ossetian battalion of "Alania"
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My colleague GarryB asked you to do a intro and yet you break the rules and continue ?
Follow the Request or you will be banned and this thread deleted!
I give you 48 hours to do so!
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Follow the Request or you will be banned and this thread deleted!
I give you 48 hours to do so!
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Agressor has been banned for back talking moderators. I like the thread so it can stay open.
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It's a pity. He had a lot of potential.
From all accounts, I understand that out of the six or seven Russian aircraft lost in the war, only two were shot down by Georgia. The rest were due to friendly fire from Russian forces on the ground using mostly MANPADS. I'm guessing that these quite high losses were due to lack of a proper Command & control system, especially between the AirForce and the troops on the ground. Yes?
From all accounts, I understand that out of the six or seven Russian aircraft lost in the war, only two were shot down by Georgia. The rest were due to friendly fire from Russian forces on the ground using mostly MANPADS. I'm guessing that these quite high losses were due to lack of a proper Command & control system, especially between the AirForce and the troops on the ground. Yes?
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6-7 is a little high.
AFAIK there was the Tu-22MR, a Su-24 of unknown type (could have been the strike model or possibly the recon or jammer model), and 3 Su-25s, with quite a few Su-25s landing with one engine severely damaged.
Considering that the Georgians claimed they moved their forces into South Ossetia in response to Russian aggression, I would not believe a single thing they say.
Not to say I believe everything the Russians say of course... the first victim of war is often the truth.
From what I have read the Frogfoot aircraft were operating low as normal to spot and engage ground targets with unguided weapons.
The Tu22MR and the Su-24 on the other hand would not be flying low as they recognised the main threat to aircraft were MANPADS.
The aircraft I mentioned above that were shot down were shot down because the BUK has a large 70kg warhead, while the Su-25s that were damaged and returned to base were hit by MANPADs.... likely Groms and Iglas.
I am sure agressor might have been interesting to chat to on this and perhaps other topics, but he had completely the wrong attitude.
When asked to comply with the forum rules and post an introduction he obviously lost his temper and sent an abusive PM to RP. I am an easy going guy, but that is just not acceptable.
Perhaps with a break of two weeks or a month he might think about what he has said and done and with a sincere apology to Russian Patriot might get unbanned... that is totally up to Vlad.
He has obviously spent a lot of time putting the above posts together and I was rather looking forward to discussing them with him, but his behaviour was childish and insulting and couldn't be ignored.
I mean ask yourself... was posting an introduction really that hard?
Of course he might just never come back... it is up to him ...and Vlad of course, I think a cool down period, plus a sincere apology and a promise to follow the rules might satisfy Vlad.
Just from his posts I can tell agressor is likely Russian, so it would be useful to have him, but again there is no place for people who don't follow the rules and abuse Mods.
Anyway... here is a pic:
AFAIK there was the Tu-22MR, a Su-24 of unknown type (could have been the strike model or possibly the recon or jammer model), and 3 Su-25s, with quite a few Su-25s landing with one engine severely damaged.
Considering that the Georgians claimed they moved their forces into South Ossetia in response to Russian aggression, I would not believe a single thing they say.
Not to say I believe everything the Russians say of course... the first victim of war is often the truth.
From what I have read the Frogfoot aircraft were operating low as normal to spot and engage ground targets with unguided weapons.
The Tu22MR and the Su-24 on the other hand would not be flying low as they recognised the main threat to aircraft were MANPADS.
The aircraft I mentioned above that were shot down were shot down because the BUK has a large 70kg warhead, while the Su-25s that were damaged and returned to base were hit by MANPADs.... likely Groms and Iglas.
I am sure agressor might have been interesting to chat to on this and perhaps other topics, but he had completely the wrong attitude.
When asked to comply with the forum rules and post an introduction he obviously lost his temper and sent an abusive PM to RP. I am an easy going guy, but that is just not acceptable.
Perhaps with a break of two weeks or a month he might think about what he has said and done and with a sincere apology to Russian Patriot might get unbanned... that is totally up to Vlad.
He has obviously spent a lot of time putting the above posts together and I was rather looking forward to discussing them with him, but his behaviour was childish and insulting and couldn't be ignored.
I mean ask yourself... was posting an introduction really that hard?
Of course he might just never come back... it is up to him ...and Vlad of course, I think a cool down period, plus a sincere apology and a promise to follow the rules might satisfy Vlad.
Just from his posts I can tell agressor is likely Russian, so it would be useful to have him, but again there is no place for people who don't follow the rules and abuse Mods.
Anyway... here is a pic:
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To the best of my knowledge Russian aircraft losses were, 1 Tu-22M, two Su-24 and three/four Su-25. Thats just what I heard, I'm happy to be wrong.
As for Agressor, if he's in a repenting mood, I say give him another chance.
Are those Humvees captured from the Georgians?
As for Agressor, if he's in a repenting mood, I say give him another chance.
Are those Humvees captured from the Georgians?
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As for Agressor, if he's in a repenting mood, I say give him another chance.
Sorry, I don't think it is appropriate to discuss this sort of thing on the forum... this is not a democracy, and I am not prepared to give you all the details of what was said by whom.
I think we should just leave it at things were said in anger, so a cooling off period has been imposed. The door is not closed and bolted and then bricked up, but a serious and sincere apology and attitude change needs to occur before that kid is allowed to come and play in this toyshop again.
There are no rights to be here, Vlad makes the rules, and in this case aware of the facts that I am aware of I agree with the decisions made.
No more discussion about this please, I only posted this because I felt other members needed an explanation... this will not become a public discussion for all the same reasons that trial by media is bad.
Back on topic, I had heard mention of two Su-24s, but had not heard confirmation of the second from the Russians.
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Ok. Ok. I got it.
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Back on topic, I had heard mention of two Su-24s, but had not heard confirmation of the second from the Russians.
To the best of my knowledge, the first Su-24 was shot down on the morning of August 9. It was apparently brought down by Grom MANPADS. The incident was recorded on camera, so it's pretty much undisputed.
The second Su-24, was shot down on the morning of August 11. It was apparently shot down by a Russian convoy en route to Gori using MANPADS (a friendly fire incident). The only solid evidence is the wreckage which ended up all over the S.Ossetian mountains.
Thats the best I can find. I got it by checking and cross-checking various accounts (some pro-Russian versions claimed just one Su-25 was lost, while the more anti-Russian ones preposterously claimed that as many as 15 aircraft were downed). I just narrowed it down to the six or seven incidents which appear in most reports.