Russia's enemy countries

Russians can visit the Himalayas anytime as a substitute for the Alps. It's bigger than the Alps, with variation in climate+landscape as you go from the North to the East.

No no no the Himalayas just won't do for showing off on Instagram to your liberal buddies and winning and dining with the money'd European class making idle chat about how much you hate Putin and the backward autocracy he's built. You take your BMW and drive down to a restaurant and flaunt a little bit of bling in the evenings too.

Who are you going to flex in front of in the Himalayas, the Sherpas?

Bullseye
Who the fuk knows a single name of Himalayan resort?!?
Garmisch-Partenkirchen, Bad Tolz, Livigno, Sankt Moritz ... Sounds liberal and democratic with every single letter. Instagram proof

So the Russian liberals are basically those who blindly worship the West and despise anything related to the East. It doesn't sound very liberal to me, but I agree that they'll never acknowledge the beautiful places and cultures of the East.
 
This is what a Himalayan resort in India looks like. It's very comfy, less expensive, and no less beautiful than the Swiss Alps.

Sprut-B wrote:So the Russian liberals are basically those who blindly worship the West and despise anything related to the East. It doesn't sound very liberal to me, but I agree that they'll never acknowledge the beautiful places and cultures of the East.
 
This is what a Himalayan resort in India looks like. It's very comfy, less expensive, and no less beautiful than the Swiss Alps.

Well exactly.

Although I will say that with these fellows it's a trend

Dubai has become popular, so they just as readily go now to Dubai.

If you make the Himalayas popular with European well-off tourists the Russian liberals will suddenly discover an interest for it too.

They operate based on fashions although this is not a criticism of course that's exclusive to them.

Sort of.
Those places are there to show off.
You just have these places in old Europe that are simply expensive, so showing there creates the perception of luxury.
If you are skiing in St. Moritz, hell rich you obviously are!
Doesn't matter that for a while, there is actually better infrastructure in Sochi. Who cares? Being in Sochi for skiing is not fancy.
There is a fantastic place in Turkey called Kemer. What is great there, is that if you visit it at end of April you can ski in the mountains, take a ropeway down to the sea and just swim in it.
Ropeway's end stop is about 300m from the beach.
Who gives a shit, if hardly anyone knows the name??
How to impress your buddies on Facebook?
You have been to Kemer? Oh ... my condolence.
Plus with all do respect bro, I have just lurked into something called "the most luxurious Kashmir ski resort" ...
We talk a different worlds my friend.
Wonders of the world is not good enough if not assisted.
My friend has a cabin somewhere near Aspen/Colorado. His property is valued at 1/10 of the Aspen rates because located half an hour's drive further from the airport. So lazy the people really are.

He should thank the fact that he is a foreigner for the Banderites deciding to teach him a lesson and then throw him out, as opposed to a more permanent solution.

He is an US citizen, so I guess it is the only thing that kept him alive. Too much noise would arise.
Some others didn't have so much luck, in this democratic and LGBTXYZ friendly place ...

Sprut-B wrote:So the Russian liberals are basically those who blindly worship the West and despise anything related to the East.

flamming_python wrote:Although I will say that with these fellows it's a trend

Dubai has become popular, so they just as readily go now to Dubai.

If you make the Himalayas popular with European well-off tourists the Russian liberals will suddenly discover an interest for it too.

They operate based on fashions although this is not a criticism of course that's exclusive to them.

The ruling class or influential castes always want to impose their own lifestyles and "culture" (if that can be called as culture) as orthodox and anyone do not follow suits or are too poor to follow suits are treated as "barbarians", although the criterion to distiniguish between "civilized" and "barbarian" may have nothing to do with moral or spiritual superiority.

Well the fact is the the Western elites is still the dominant economic and political power in the world, therefore their point of view easily occupies the dominant position, although nowadays it is increasingly challenged by other people.

Just imagine huge line of fan-customers queueing for famous branded products whose use-value or exchange-value may have no superiority over other less well-known products.

So I believe Flaming Python is correct in the sense that it should not something to be criticized personally, because it is the natural consequences of a hierarchical society.

It is said that in the book "English Syntax" (if my knowledge is wrong feel free to correct me), C. L. Baker once said that the "standard American English" in many instances have nothing to do with technical or authentical superiority, but it is called "standard" because it is frequently used by wealthy and influential members of the society and for American middle-class, speaking "standard English" is merely an essential mean to maintain relationship with the social elites which is essential for their economic survival.

By the way some of my friends who experiences both Japanese "authentic" gundam models and Chinese "fake" models claimed that many Chinese "fake" models is actually superior both in quality and apperance.

ALAMO wrote:Sort of.
Those places are there to show off.
You just have these places in old Europe that are simply expensive, so showing there creates the perception of luxury.
If you are skiing in St. Moritz, hell rich you obviously are!
Doesn't matter that for a while, there is actually better infrastructure in Sochi. Who cares? Being in Sochi for skiing is not fancy.
There is a fantastic place in Turkey called Kemer. What is great there, is that if you visit it at end of April you can ski in the mountains, take a ropeway down to the sea and just swim in it.
Ropeway's end stop is about 300m from the beach.
Who gives a shit, if hardly anyone knows the name??
How to impress your buddies on Facebook?
You have been to Kemer? Oh ... my condolence.
Plus with all do respect bro, I have just lurked into something called "the most luxurious Kashmir ski resort" ...
We talk a different worlds my friend.
Wonders of the world is not good enough if not assisted.
My friend has a cabin somewhere near Aspen/Colorado. His property is valued at 1/10 of the Aspen rates because located half an hour's drive further from the airport. So lazy the people really are.

Hi Alamo, is the skiresort near Kemer called Saklikent?
It seems nice, but it is very small (only 10 km of slopes and they are not close to other ski resorts)

By the way Sochi the same is true.
Unfortunately Sochi (and Russia in general) is not that practical for tourism from Europe nowadays.

For me the Alps are much more practical than going too far away, but one does not need to go only in the most expensive resorts. In Italy there are several smaller resorts with still acceptable prices.

I would go to swiss resorts only if I get a job in Swiss and it would be actually practical to go there
With a German pay as engineer my wallet would bleed too much to go there.

I have skied once in Bakuriani (Georgia). The place is great, but the infrastructure are much worse than on the Alps (and sometimes even small resorts in Czech Republic are better managed).

Alps are in the middle of Europe, that's why are so convenient for anyone.
Not to mention that when things calm down sooner or later, regular flights to let's say Milan or Munich will return either.
There will be no serious alternative, developing ski resorts to match Alpian ones would require billions of investments.

Seems the problem has been solved as the cruise liner company has taken Georgia off the schedule so Russian visitors wont darken Georgian ports any more from that company... I am sure the shop keepers and sales will appreciate their opposition parties efforts to reduce their income.

Watch the solidarity of European cruise companies flooding Georgia with tourists on their boats to compensate them for the loss... I am sure European tourists will be spending really big at this time in this economy.

Vice prime minister of theirs has already responded in a way.
In a TV expose he said that Russian tourists are bringing about 1 bln $ to the economy totaling 30 bln$, and lacking them would kill 20-30k work places on the spot. So maybe the protesters should reconsider a few things.
But they are not being paid for reconsidering

Why now? It's not like Norway was ever a friendly country to Russia. Besides, every NATO country except Greece and Hungary is an enemy of Russia and should be treated accordingly.

What are the consequences of being listed as an enemy of Russia? I don't see Norway giving a damn about getting listed on the unfriendly country's list. Just labelling them unfriendly does nothing.
There should be serious consequences for the leadership and the people of such countries.

Sprut-B wrote:What are the consequences of being listed as an enemy of Russia? I don't see Norway giving a damn about getting listed on the unfriendly country's list. Just labelling them unfriendly does nothing.
There should be serious consequences for the leadership and the people of such countries.

This type of weapon is much more media driven rather than practical.
It can work on a different level - for example citizens of unfriendly states need to pay more for visas. Or won't get those. Or need to apply additional papers. Small border crossings can be terminated.
But this works for a country that can dictate the terms - which Russia obviously isn't.
They seriously lack propaganda, and can't sell their own advantages.
It is not that Russia is not attractive - they are the biggest workforce importer in Europe. But they import from societies that give a shit about that. Vote with their wallets.
When we used to have more or less normal relations, small border crossing was carried and both sides benefitted. And that was not politically accepted, as common people on both sides realized the truth coming out from propaganda shitstream. That there are just the same people out there - what an awful concept that had to be eradicated.

Becoming an unfriendly country means you pay your bills to Russia and Russian companies in Rubles, and trade and relations just get harder... but generally to get on the list you have to have Russia already under sanction.

The ruling class or influential castes always want to impose their own lifestyles and "culture" (if that can be called as culture) as orthodox and anyone do not follow suits or are too poor to follow suits are treated as "barbarians", although the criterion to distiniguish between "civilized" and "barbarian" may have nothing to do with moral or spiritual superiority.

Actually I would say it is more a case that they do the things they do to show off their wealth to highlight that not everyone goes on a bit overseas holiday every year to exotic warm locations to rub shoulders with the rich and famous of the west, or well known landmarks.

Such people are not travellers or explorers... these are the fools very expensive shops sell very very expensive crap to and that is why they survive because most people who had to earn their money wouldn't even go into such shops except to laugh at the ridiculous prices.

This is interesting:

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/04/us/politics/us-navy-ships.html

This is interesting:

They want my credit card details before they will let me read the article...

Turdope applauding Ukr SS maggot.

Which shows him to either be ignorant because he does not understand what he is doing, or a monster who does and will display evil anyway.

Today is a day where they are trying to debunk the case, one by one.
They were not aware of the issue.
It is actually funny, as it seems two nazi ideologies clashed, the one being represented by Ukro nazi descendants, the other being Jewish.
No matter who will win it, it is fun to watch.

The Speaker of the Canadian House of Commons issues an apology for acknowledging a veteran who fought for the Nazis.

Anthony Rota in a statement took responsibility for what was characterized as an oversight, calling the initiative "entirely my own."

"I have subsequently become aware of more information which causes me to regret my decision," he said, adding his "deepest apologies" to Jewish communities.



Edit : not sure where to put that

But it is Lavrov being busy being isolated

But it is Lavrov being busy being isolated

The Keith Richards of Diplomacy.

It might be a good idea for Russian people to consider leaving these shithole countries with Nazi ideologies before it's too late. Saint Petersburg isn't far away.