Mistral News thread

SAINT-NAZAIRE (FRANCE), October 27 (RIA Novosti) – The ceremony for France handing over to Russia the first Mistral helicopter carrier will occur in mid-November of this year in the city of Saint-Nazaire, a representative from the port city's worker's union told RIA Novosti on Monday.

"The ceremony of France transferring the first Mistral helicopter under the name of the Vladivostok to Russia is [scheduled for] November 14 of this year," the representative said.

He said the date is not yet official, but the wharf's employees are preparing for the ceremony.

PARIS, October 27. /TASS/. French naval shipbuilding corporations DCNS and STX do not plan to release information on presumable dates of delivery of Mistral helicopter carriers to Russia, Emmanuel Gaudez, an official spokesman for the DCNS told TASS on Monday.
DCNS is the chief designer and contractor in the project, while the ships are built at the STX yards in Saint Nazaire.
Gaudez said the corporations’ officials refrained from releasing any information on the issue, adding that the company’s stance reflected the extremely delicate political character of the contract.

sepheronx wrote:

PARIS, October 27. /TASS/. French naval shipbuilding corporations DCNS and STX do not plan to release information on presumable dates of delivery of Mistral helicopter carriers to Russia, Emmanuel Gaudez, an official spokesman for the DCNS told TASS on Monday.
DCNS is the chief designer and contractor in the project, while the ships are built at the STX yards in Saint Nazaire.
Gaudez said the corporations’ officials refrained from releasing any information on the issue, adding that the company’s stance reflected the extremely delicate political character of the contract.

Not worth working with France.  Seems to me that France should face economic threats from Russia over this.  If France refuses to return money + extra based upon contract, then Russia should kick out Thales from Russia, and allow UOMZ to build the thermals as well as the Domacles pod without license, and sell to whom they want, over damages to Mistral.

Screw France.

Mike E wrote:

sepheronx wrote:

PARIS, October 27. /TASS/. French naval shipbuilding corporations DCNS and STX do not plan to release information on presumable dates of delivery of Mistral helicopter carriers to Russia, Emmanuel Gaudez, an official spokesman for the DCNS told TASS on Monday.
DCNS is the chief designer and contractor in the project, while the ships are built at the STX yards in Saint Nazaire.
Gaudez said the corporations’ officials refrained from releasing any information on the issue, adding that the company’s stance reflected the extremely delicate political character of the contract.

Not worth working with France.  Seems to me that France should face economic threats from Russia over this.  If France refuses to return money + extra based upon contract, then Russia should kick out Thales from Russia, and allow UOMZ to build the thermals as well as the Domacles pod without license, and sell to whom they want, over damages to Mistral.

Screw France.

Not worth working with any NATO country when it comes to the defense industry, and to be honest this Mistral mess was inevitable. Russia has already stated that they will take France to international court (whatever it is called) if the deal is cancelled. I doubt France wants to give billions to Russia right now, if ever.... France knows what could happen, as does Russia. The deal will continue, mark my word.

sepheronx wrote:

Mike E wrote:

sepheronx wrote:

PARIS, October 27. /TASS/. French naval shipbuilding corporations DCNS and STX do not plan to release information on presumable dates of delivery of Mistral helicopter carriers to Russia, Emmanuel Gaudez, an official spokesman for the DCNS told TASS on Monday.
DCNS is the chief designer and contractor in the project, while the ships are built at the STX yards in Saint Nazaire.
Gaudez said the corporations’ officials refrained from releasing any information on the issue, adding that the company’s stance reflected the extremely delicate political character of the contract.

Not worth working with France.  Seems to me that France should face economic threats from Russia over this.  If France refuses to return money + extra based upon contract, then Russia should kick out Thales from Russia, and allow UOMZ to build the thermals as well as the Domacles pod without license, and sell to whom they want, over damages to Mistral.

Screw France.

Not worth working with any NATO country when it comes to the defense industry, and to be honest this Mistral mess was inevitable. Russia has already stated that they will take France to international court (whatever it is called) if the deal is cancelled. I doubt France wants to give billions to Russia right now, if ever.... France knows what could happen, as does Russia. The deal will continue, mark my word.

Well, for France's case/image, I hope you are right.  But international courts are European by nature and will work against Russia (already has when trying about the Yuko's case even though it was thrown out of another international court.  But brought it up again thanks to politics).

But France also knows a lot of their projects are in the red in Russia if this deal doesn't go through and may lose billions as well as secretive technology to boot.  So for their sake, I hope you are right.

Huy Phúc wrote:APF claimed that on 6 November, French Prime Minister stated that it had not been the right time yet to deliver the Mistral ships to Russia.

Ha ha, bullshit.

EU is amusing. It has just spent several billion USD for Ukraina to pay the debt to Russia and to contiue the oil/gas supply to next year. That means EU has to spend the money to pay for its own stupidity.

The fact is that at the moment, European farmers have already started the massive protest against the sanction upon Russia. Below video clips is event at Nancy. And in Paris, potatoes have been thrown to the streets.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elcp0wi8FW0

In such circumstance, the claims of French goverment officers cannot do anything to calm the public anxiety. They are just servant who are barking for their master, that is the United States. At the moment, Obama's reputation is suffering terribly with the loss of both Upper and Lower House to the Republicans, and his support rate is only 30%. In politics, Obama is completely checked. In such circumstance, international activities of the American mafia has to be supported with everything they has.

Four Mistrals are about 300-500 mil of euro, means 80-120 mil each. But the problem is that, the Mistral contract serves as the counterbalance for the 1 billion USD Soyuz contract in the Gallileo GPS project. In more details, since Soyuz has already occupied the market of Ariane and kicked Ariane out, Russia and France have to create a compensation contract to keep Ariane ands its lackeys alive. After all, French goverment's life force is the parasites and bullshit who stick their mouths to the main manufacturing enterprises.

And that is the Mistral. The Mistral contract creates thousand of jobs for French workers. The price of Russian-bought Mistrals is extremely high compare to the original prices, but that is not a problem since EU has provided subsidises. Well, actually Russian public has been criticized this Mistral contract due to the abnormal expensiveness. Russian people dislike this contract.

You can say that the Mistral is a naked human body. And in this contract, Russia supplies the underwear for that naked body. That underwear is the whole cable system of the ship. The driver for hydrodynamic system is also created by Russia. And what France does is simply build the hull.

In order to calm down the anxiety of the public about the Mistral project, the propaganda machine of the West has constantly been blabbering that:

1)If the contract is abandoned, French Army will use the Mistral itself. However the problem is that, EU is suffering the economical depression and so is France.
2)If France cannot, NATO will use it. This information was provided by Eliot Engel, Michael Turner, the U.S. congressmen who deal with EU problem, in a letter to NATO. However, EU public protested violently and the proposal was driven to the ground.
3)Canada will buy the Mistral. Canada said "WTF ?"
4)Japan will buy the Mistral. And Japanese people protested. Japanese is still frightening about the three arrows of Shinzo Abe and Japan is building their own amphibious ship so there is no reason to buy foreign ones.

Finally, Deputy Prime Minister Dmitru Rogozin has made things clear. He accepted the invitation to come to France for receiving the first Mistral ship.

http://vietnamese.ruvr.ru/news/2014_11_06/279681830/

So it is clear. The things about Japan, Canada, bla bla is just propaganda and jerking off to fool the people. France cannot sell the ship to anyone other than Russia because the information system and some parts of the ship is built by Russia. If Russia doesn't agree, France can't sell. If France want to use these Mistral for their own, it has to use the software provided by Russia.

And France has no choice but to provide the first Mistral ship in 14 November.

In fact Mistral should have been delivered in October already. The deliveruy is delayed and France has to pay the punishment fee. After 3 months delay, the contract is broken.

But wait, no France cannot break the contract. Because Russia has already invested their materiel and money into the information system and parts of the ship. The contract is broken means France has to give a compensation money. After all he and she have a child and even if they are divorced, they cannot split the child into two.

And Mr. Yves Destefani, French Director of the Mistral project also said the same thing about deliverly in 14 November. And he was sacked.

http://vietnamese.ruvr.ru/news/2014_11_01/279490160/

And Russia counter-attacked by recognizing the Novorossiyan election. And put a sanction agaisnt European farm products.

In short, the French goverment is a servant of foreign power i.e. the United States. And in order to please its U.S. master, French goverment declared war against its own people.

GarryB wrote:
the point is that the mistral are proven designs that were ready to produce... they could easily have designed from scratch much better (for them) vessels but it would have taken a decade... which they felt they didn't have.

they paid for Mistrals because they could have two in service by the end of 2015... if they knew they couldn't have them till 2025 then they would not have bought them.

Big_Gazza wrote:

GarryB wrote:
the point is that the mistral are proven designs that were ready to produce... they could easily have designed from scratch much better (for them) vessels but it would have taken a decade... which they felt they didn't have.

they paid for Mistrals because they could have two in service by the end of 2015... if they knew they couldn't have them till 2025 then they would not have bought them.

Bingo, and the truth is so clear that I wonder why people still argue about it.  If I was the RusFedGov I would much rather have 2 helicopters carriers in 2015 than have nothing but plastic models in a showcase and PowerPoint presentations for the next 10 years.  It also frees up Russian shipyards to turn out more Corvettes and Frigates which are going to be the basis of Russias new littorial (ie homewater) defense.  All up, its a solid and sensible decision.

Now we simply need the weak-kneed Gaullic cheese-eating surrender monkeys to grow some @$%&ing backbone and tell the warmongers of Morodor on the Potomac to go and shove their well-laid plans up their well-laid ar$se$..  

Moscow will make financial claims to France if the first of two Mistral warships built for Russia are not delivered by the end of November, according to a source. However, France said that its actions will not be “dictated.”

The warning came from a high-ranking source and was published on Friday by RIA Novosti news agency. It comes after France missed a mid-November deadline for handing over the first of the amphibious assault ships to Russia.

"We are preparing for different scenarios. We are waiting until the end of the month [the fulfillment of Mistral deal], then we will make serious claims," the source said on condition of anonymity.

According to the source, experts are currently analyzing possible damage to Russia if the deal is not fulfilled, and the estimated sum will be made public.

"This amount [of compensation] will not be secret," the source added.

The veiled threat prompted reaction from French leadership.

Werewolf wrote:Looks like french is happily a slave of US empire and their political games.

Anyway as far as i heard if Mistral deals fail, the penalty would worth more than the ship, i wonder whether it'll significantly hurt France.

GarryB wrote:

Anyway as far as i heard if Mistral deals fail, the penalty would worth more than the ship, i wonder whether it'll significantly hurt France.

Not just contract penalties... half the hull of the first ship was built in Russia so France will have to decide what to do with the actual ship itself and may have to buy the Russian built half from Russia...