BUK SAM system Thread

Buk-M3 will knock down everything that moves

https://armystandard.ru/news/t/201910281520-azw5a.html

Anyone know how many BukM3 have been deployed to date (launch vehicles) as well as the annual rate of production?

The 61st anti-aircraft missile brigade in the Central Military District receives the Buk-M3 air defense system

https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3847762.html

calripson wrote:Anyone know how many BukM3 have been deployed to date (launch vehicles) as well as the annual rate of production?

This above is the 3rd for sure and possibly 4th brigade. Each brigade has 3-4 battalions of 6 TELAR's and 3 TELL's each. Appear to be produced at 1 brigade per year and suspect like the S-400 unit's, the re-equip is not total in the first year.

franco wrote:

calripson wrote:Anyone know how many BukM3 have been deployed to date (launch vehicles) as well as the annual rate of production?

This above is the 3rd for sure and possibly 4th brigade. Each brigade has 3-4 battalions of 6 TELAR's and 3 TELL's each. Appear to be produced at 1 brigade per year and suspect like the S-400 unit's, the re-equip is not total in the first year.

What is it replacing ? Buk-M1 which should be pretty outdated and the export version is very used by Syria near western Elint systems ? Or are they creating new forces ?

The possibly 4th was advertised as a new unit. However no other information has surfaced since to confirm existence actually occurred. The others are M1 units and there were only 2-3 M2 units equipped prior to switching to the M3.

https://m.kathimerini.com.cy/gr/politiki/test-tis-antiaeroporikis-amynas-me-symmetoxi-ton-rafale

According to the auto translate in french of this article Cyprus detected Rafale at 160km. They say it was a buk system being tested but I doubt since search radar of a buk has 150km max range.

Any idea what radar Cyprus could have used ?

Isos wrote:https://m.kathimerini.com.cy/gr/politiki/test-tis-antiaeroporikis-amynas-me-symmetoxi-ton-rafale

According to the auto translate in french of this article Cyprus detected Rafale at 160km. They say it was a buk system being tested but I doubt since search radar of a buk has 150km max range.

Any idea what radar Cyprus could have used ?

the article in greek says that "the fighter aircrafts were detected when they passed the 160 km, not at 160 km range"

Isos wrote:https://m.kathimerini.com.cy/gr/politiki/test-tis-antiaeroporikis-amynas-me-symmetoxi-ton-rafale

According to the auto translate in french of this article Cyprus detected Rafale at 160km. They say it was a buk system being tested but I doubt since search radar of a buk has 150km max range.

Any idea what radar Cyprus could have used ?

Cyprus has the S-300PMU in service does it not?

flamming_python wrote:

Isos wrote:https://m.kathimerini.com.cy/gr/politiki/test-tis-antiaeroporikis-amynas-me-symmetoxi-ton-rafale

According to the auto translate in french of this article Cyprus detected Rafale at 160km. They say it was a buk system being tested but I doubt since search radar of a buk has 150km max range.

Any idea what radar Cyprus could have used ?

Cyprus has the S-300PMU in service does it not?

No. Cyprus buy S-300PMU, but it is now on Crete in Greece to prevent tensions between two NATO members.

George1 wrote:

the article in greek says that "the fighter aircrafts were detected when they passed the 160 km, not at 160 km range"

Isn't it the same ?

Do you know what radar they use for early warning ?

Isn't it the same ?

No.

If they are refering to a point 160km away from land or a specific point it gives you no indication of where the radar that spotted them was.

For instance aircraft detected 160km from London is not the same as aircraft detected 160km from UK territorial waters...

In either case the aircraft detected might have been detected by the ship they flew over, or an OTH-B radar 6,000km away.

The 160km in this case relates to a point in space that is a distance from something but does not mean 160km was the detection range.

Of course having said all this... what is the big deal... the Rafale is hardly a stealth fighter...

GarryB wrote:

Isn't it the same ?

No.

If they are refering to a point 160km away from land or a specific point it gives you no indication of where the radar that spotted them was.

For instance aircraft detected 160km from London is not the same as aircraft detected 160km from UK territorial waters...

In either case the aircraft detected might have been detected by the ship they flew over, or an OTH-B radar 6,000km away.

The 160km in this case relates to a point in space that is a distance from something but does not mean 160km was the detection range.

Of course having said all this... what is the big deal... the Rafale is hardly a stealth fighter...

The French aircraft carrier from which the fighters were killed is at a distance of 240 kilometers from the point of exercise. The fighters, as soon as they passed 160 km from the point of exercise, were located and trapped by the anti-aircraft systems that took part in the air defense exercise.

From Google translator. 160 km is from point of exercise, not from radar location. Search radar 9S18M1have range of 140 km, so it was nearer to that point of detection. Question is, if radar detect Rafale from head on or from the side and at what distance. Most probably near max. range, as Buk could not be placed very far from point of exercise. Rafale is not stealth, but is still made as low observable jet and from the front RCS should be lower than 1 m². Max range for such radar is calibrated by standard RCS, which is deffinitively not as low as Rafale frontal RCS. If Buk radar detect Rafale head on near max range, than it is quite unpleasand surprise for French. If it detect Rafale from the side, where RCS is bigger, than this is not such problem.

Isos wrote:

George1 wrote:

the article in greek says that "the fighter aircrafts were detected when they passed the 160 km, not at 160 km range"

Isn't it the same ?

Do you know what radar they use for early warning ?

medo wrote:

From Google translator. 160 km is from point of exercise, not from radar location. Search radar 9S18M1have range of 140 km, so it was nearer to that point of detection. Question is, if radar detect Rafale from head on or from the side and at what distance. Most probably near max. range, as Buk could not be placed very far from point of exercise. Rafale is not stealth, but is still made as low observable jet and from the front RCS should be lower than 1 m². Max range for such radar is calibrated by standard RCS, which is deffinitively not as low as Rafale frontal RCS. If Buk radar detect Rafale head on near max range, than it is quite unpleasand surprise for French. If it detect Rafale from the side, where RCS is bigger, than this is not such problem.

In Cyprus we cant know exactly what weapons systems are availabl because of obvious reasons (Turkish presence) and many of them are kept secret for years. Time will tell... Probably its a russian radar

George1 wrote:

Isos wrote:

George1 wrote:

the article in greek says that "the fighter aircrafts were detected when they passed the 160 km, not at 160 km range"

Isn't it the same ?

Do you know what radar they use for early warning ?

medo wrote:

From Google translator. 160 km is from point of exercise, not from radar location. Search radar 9S18M1have range of 140 km, so it was nearer to that point of detection. Question is, if radar detect Rafale from head on or from the side and at what distance. Most probably near max. range, as Buk could not be placed very far from point of exercise. Rafale is not stealth, but is still made as low observable jet and from the front RCS should be lower than 1 m². Max range for such radar is calibrated by standard RCS, which is deffinitively  not as low as Rafale frontal RCS. If Buk radar detect Rafale head on near max range, than it is quite unpleasand surprise for French. If it detect Rafale from the side, where RCS is bigger, than this is not such problem.

In Cyprus we cant know exactly what weapons systems are availabl because of obvious reasons (Turkish presence) and many of them are kept secret for years. Time will tell... Probably its a russian radar

Buk is definitely there seen it with my own eyes while stationed on mount olympus and troodos. They have bunkers built into the side of the mountain that they use to hide/store AD systems and radars. One of their soviet radars that was right next to us use to leak badly (as we were told) and when they used it our CCTV screens would go snow screen, we then had to grab our radios and rifle and move a along a corridor to a hardened accommodation which was roughly 60m away from our guard room. After sometime one of us would get the short straw and have to walk back down to see if the screens were still snow screen now very technical or professional i thought at the time. to me it looked like a P-35 radar it was old whatever it was i would be surprised if it was still in service now. We were only trained on AD systems and vehicles etc, Radars they didnt want us to study although we did have to log when this old radar started to be used (spinning as they said lol)

Buk-M3

Nice... that is the reload truck...

Isn't the BUK-M3 already in service?

But it was never shown at the Moscow parade. Just like the Bal coastal defence system, the S-300V4 and some other stuff present this year.

Looking at Buk-M3 from the parade, if Almaz-Antey in the next buk version can increase the performance to the standard that Mod wants with a missile slightly thinner, and lighter, they could mount 8 missiles per Telar, and 16 per Tel... easier said than done.

I don't think, this could be a problem. Just integrate 9M96 missile to the Buk and you will get the number of missiles as well as range with long range one.

medo wrote:I don't think, this could be a problem. Just integrate 9M96 missile to the Buk and you will get the number of missiles as well as range with long range one.

That's very likely going to happen. 9m96 has longer range but S-350 can't go off road with the armor vehicles contrary to the buk but which lacks long range missiles.

It's surprising that buk didn't receive them as they were developed in the same time as buk m3 for the s-350.

That would also benefits the grigorovitch frigate which could receive 150km range missiles in the shtil launcher with a light modernization.