Εgypt's Foreign relations

The crisis between Egypt and the U.S. recently deepened after the Egyptian regime stepped up its campaign against civil society organizations in the country. As part of an investigation into claims that some of these organizations are operating without a permit and receiving foreign, chiefly U.S., aid, investigators for Egypt's Attorney General raided the offices of 17 organizations on December 29, 2011, including the Arab Center for the Independence of the Judiciary and the Legal Profession (ACIJLP), the Budgetary and Human Rights Observatory, the International Republican Institute (IRI), Freedom House (FH), and the Cairo and Asyut offices of the Washington-based National Democratic Institute (NDI).

http://www.thememriblog.org/blog_personal/en/41690.htm

Egypt's PM says US threats to cut aid won't work

Egypt's military-backed prime minister says Cairo will not halt its crackdown on foreign nonprofit groups despite what he calls threats to cut off aid from Western and Arab countries.

Egypt's campaign against pro-democracy and rights groups began late last year with raids by security forces on their offices. On Sunday, judges referred 19 Americans and 24 others to trial on accusations they illegally used foreign funds to foment unrest in the country.

The US has threatened to cut some US$1.5 billion in aid to Egypt over the dispute.

Kamal el-Ganzouri said Wednesday that Western countries "turned against us" after the crackdown began.

He said Egypt "won't back down or take a different route because of some aid or other." (nvn)

May I ask the source for that second article.

Egypt's campaign against pro-democracy and rights groups began late last year with raids by security forces on their offices. On Sunday, judges referred 19 Americans and 24 others to trial on accusations they illegally used foreign funds to foment unrest in the country.

If they were really pro democracy and (human) rights groups, then why would they be stirring up violence and unrest.

I would expect such groups would promote nonviolence and peaceful solutions to problems for Egyptians in Egypt...

Or does their foreign funding betray their foreign roots and their goals have nothing to do with democracy or human rights or peace... they just want to install a friendly (ie western controlled) government in Egypt...

Not really a surprise as it is common practise... it is successful because anyone who cracks down on foreign interference is guilty "cracking down on pro democracy and human rights groups" wow... how evil is that... clearly a case of a dictatorship in the making if they are hassling pro democracy and human rights groups.

Except they aren't pro democracy and human rights groups... they are puppets/fronts for western interests...

The source :

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2012/02/08/egypts-pm-says-us-threats-cut-aid-wont-work.html

Except they aren't pro democracy and human rights groups... they are puppets/fronts for western interests...

Yes they are , when egyptian police inspect some of theses ( democracy offices !! ) they found maps that split egypt to four parts such as bernard lewis plans to construct anew middle east ,

Egyptian judgement control this case now and as i think this is democracy coz no one control the investigation except police and court , but for sorry hilary clinton don't want deomcracy in this situation

She want military council to stop any investigations with these groups , so if we took asimple democracy definition we will find that egypt apply it but U.S don't ..

Americans governments are so funny

Democracy is a code word for suiting the US.

Like the "democracy" in Saudi Arabia, or Georgia...

Iran actually has a democracy, as does Venezuela, but because it does not bend to US interests it is not considered a democracy in the US.

BTW the US has undermined democracy in more countries than any other country on the planet.

Yes , killing more than 1.5 million iraqi citizen is the way to democracy , but just in the US democracy definition !

Ahmedfire, is there reliable info regarding the "more coming on the way " part, or just rumours? What gear are we talking about if that is the case? I know Egypt has recently got Buk-M1-2 and Tor-M1, Mi-17 helos, Pechora-2M upgrades etc. Thanks.

Btw, what is Sisi's position in regards to the syrian civil war?  What side is he leaning to ?

mack8 wrote:Btw, what is Sisi's position in regards to the syrian civil war?  What side is he leaning to ?

Sisi said it will close Suez canal for US warships heading to attack Syria and that he supports Syrian people in their struggle against terrorists.

Good, the syrians could use any help they can get. Egypt should have substantial quantities of russian gear, they perhaps can help with spares etc. Strangely, from what i can read the saudis appear to be supporting Sisi, yet are against Assad in Syria! Crazy.

Anyway, enough OT.

mack8 wrote:Good, the syrians could use any help they can get. Egypt should have substantial quantities of russian gear, they perhaps can help with spares etc. Strangely, from what i can read the saudis appear to be  supporting Sisi, yet are against Assad in Syria! Crazy.

Anyway, enough OT.

They are supporting Sisi just because he decided to got rid of MB in Egypt politicaly and physically - they dont wont MB gaining to much power.

Thats why Saudi is supporting radical elements in Syria like AQ, taliban, Al Nusra etc - so in the after Assad world, Saudi not Qatar (with MB) would have upper hand in Syria.

Saudi fear they might be next.

mack8 wrote:Ahmedfire, is there reliable info regarding the "more coming on the way " part, or just rumours? What gear are we talking about if that is the case? I know Egypt has recently got Buk-M1-2 and Tor-M1, Mi-17 helos, Pechora-2M upgrades  etc. Thanks.

Btw, what is Sisi's position in regards to the syrian civil war?  What side is he leaning to ?

it's about the whole picture in Egypt and Middle East beside some declarations from Egypt politicians , most of the space co-operation will be with Russia , the new nuclear reactors will be stablished by Russsia in Egypt , the last F16 deal was 24 but then we told them that we will take only 20 F16 and they refused to give us AIM-120 ,so i think it's the last F16 deal ,before years, US refused to give us F-15 , and ofcourse they will refuse giving us F-35 , so i can see su-35 or Mig-35 are on the way to fly in Egypt beside some S-300 batteries .

Viktor wrote:

mack8 wrote:Btw, what is Sisi's position in regards to the syrian civil war?  What side is he leaning to ?

Sisi said it will close Suez canal for US warships heading to attack Syria and that he supports Syrian people in their struggle against terrorists.

No , he did not say that , but Egypt declared that it refuse any interventions from west in the civil war and support any political talk,

We can only close the Suez canal against any country that we are in war with , if U.S attacked syria , it is not in war with us , so we can't close the canal ,it's the Convention of Constantinople 1888 .

Viktor wrote:

mack8 wrote:Good, the syrians could use any help they can get. Egypt should have substantial quantities of russian gear, they perhaps can help with spares etc. Strangely, from what i can read the saudis appear to be  supporting Sisi, yet are against Assad in Syria! Crazy.

Anyway, enough OT.

They are supporting Sisi just because he decided to got rid of MB in Egypt politicaly and physically - they dont wont MB gaining to much power.

Thats why Saudi is supporting radical elements in Syria like AQ, taliban, Al Nusra etc - so in the after Assad world, Saudi not Qatar (with MB) would have upper hand in Syria.

Saudi fear they might be next.

Saudi fear that Egypt could be another iran or at least supporting Iran against Gulf .

ahmedfire wrote:

Viktor wrote:

mack8 wrote:Good, the syrians could use any help they can get. Egypt should have substantial quantities of russian gear, they perhaps can help with spares etc. Strangely, from what i can read the saudis appear to be  supporting Sisi, yet are against Assad in Syria! Crazy.

Anyway, enough OT.

They are supporting Sisi just because he decided to got rid of MB in Egypt politicaly and physically - they dont wont MB gaining to much power.

Thats why Saudi is supporting radical elements in Syria like AQ, taliban, Al Nusra etc - so in the after Assad world, Saudi not Qatar (with MB) would have upper hand in Syria.

Saudi fear they might be next.

Saudi fear that Egypt could be another iran or at least supporting Iran against Gulf .

Egypt - Iran relations are back to where they where after the fall of MB. By my opinion Iran should support Sisi and not MB.

Iraqi Egyptian Relations are on the up too. Iraq will supply egypt with subsidised fuel too via a new subsea pipeline through the tiran strait.

Ahmedfire, what are your views on the whole Morsi arrest?

TR1 wrote:Ahmedfire, what are your views on the whole Morsi arrest?

Morsi wasn't the leader of Egypt , he was just an employee in Muhammad Badie 's office "the Supreme Guide of the Muslim Brotherhood " , they son't know anything about politics and national security , they were going to fight in syria and talk with hamas only neglecting Mahmoud Abbas and Palestine Liberation Organization making it's harder to help the palestinians , etc , so a 30 milion Egyptian people go to streets to topple Morsi and the army did what the people want , he and his group are in face with the courts now .

Egypt, Turkey scale back ties

Transferred from the Ukraine thread so we don't go too much off topic.

Hannibal Barca wrote:Sisi is no better. I don;t trust the man. Nor his country. We shall be careful.   

I think it can't hurt to increase trade ties. Also, this is pretty important.

The creation of Russia’s industrial zone in Egypt will be a key part of a new Suez Canal project, Egyptian President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi said on Tuesday.

http://en.itar-tass.com/russia/744652

Hannable I believe is semi correct in not trusting because the only reason why he is moving closer to Russia is because of US pressure on Egypt. If lets say US should reopen ties with Egypt, then I figure Egypt will jump ship back to US.

This is the part about politics I dont understand. US invades half the world or forces takeovers of other countries leadership, and can break ties whenever they want, but so many countries will flock to them.

I do truly think it is because they are scared of them.

sepheronx wrote:Hannable I believe is semi correct in not trusting because the only reason why he is moving closer to Russia is because of US pressure on Egypt. If lets say US should reopen ties with Egypt, then I figure Egypt will jump ship back to US.

This is the part about politics I dont understand. US invades half the world or forces takeovers of other countries leadership, and can break ties whenever they want, but so many countries will flock to them.

I do truly think it is because they are scared of them.

Of course they are scared of them. The entire EU has leaders in power who are either bribed and blackmailed or are happy to earn money and destroy their own countries sovereignty and culture. You can see it on Germany and all the nonsense talks about NSA spying on Merkel, all the talk of "unnacceptable" spying on her and what did germany do? Nothing they just barked like puppies but still continue to be the wh*re for US do exactly as they are asked, putting sanctions on russia even tho it will hurt only Germany not russia like in Rheinmetall Deal now Rheinmetall sues Germany for 100 mln USD to compensate the deal with Russia, now Germany did not just not earn 100 mln USD, now they lost from own money 100 mln USD and hurted the reputation that Germany can be a trustworthy partner on the market.

France is openly blackmailed either they stop Mistral or they get sanctions on French bank BNP paribs. So there is nothing to argue, the countries are slaves that are working under the US whipe and their sugar cubes for being a good slave is not getting invaded or some "jihadists" who blow up a metro or anything like that.

Much worse. If you disobey they will aside with the equally corrupted and treacherous opposition and you are finished.
While by siding with them you have endless money for you and your family power and the best universities for your kids.
Later your siblings can inherit part of your political power or move to the business world and enjoy their freedom there.
Also your political party by displaying good will and obedience gets favors, cash and most than anything the promotion so needed by the Jewish controlled media.
Otherwise? It's demonization all the way, havoc, endless Maidan like demonstrations and a bad ending.
And be careful Jews never forget and never back down they are like pitbulls.

Scared of them is sensible... when they don't like you for whatever reason they can cripple you economically... look at Cuba and North Korea... if you think those countries are poor because they are commie then look at China.

there is also the gravy train... the US tends to spend lots of money maintaining its empire so leaders tend to get lots of perks and extras... don't want to miss out on the crumbs from the table...

Egypt to Deploy Ground Troops to Yemen Only If Need Arises

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Egyptian President Abdel Fattah Sisi may sign an agreement with Russia’s state company Rosatom to build two nuclear power units in Egypt during his visit to Russia at the end of August, the Al-Masri Al-Yaoum news portal reported Monday, citing a Egyptian official.

CAIRO (Sputnik) — The Egyptian president is expected to visit Russia on August 25-27. During his visit, the president will hold talks with his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin to discuss various bilateral issues, a statement released by the Kremlin said Thursday.

“A delegation of Russian experts is currently in Egypt making the latest additions to the contract and preparing it for the upcoming visit of President Abdel Fattah Sisi to Russia, in order to add it to the list of agreements that will be signed during the visit,” Ibrahim Asiri, the adviser to Egypt’s energy minister, said, as cited by the media outlet. According to the adviser, the cost of building the two power units is estimated at approximately $5 billion. Under the terms of the contract, Russia will build the facilities at its own expense and Egypt will repay the debt within two years of the nuclear power plant starting operations.

Russia will also supply nuclear fuel to Egypt, if the deal is signed, according to information contained in the article.

Following the visit of Russian leader Putin to Egypt in February 2015, the sides agreed to increase military, trade, security and economic cooperation.

The two countries signed an agreement in February on Rosatom's participation in the construction of Egypt's first nuclear power plant. In June, the Russian state-run atomic energy agency submitted a business proposal on the construction of the plant in Egypt to President Sisi.

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