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    Post  hoom Sat Jun 02, 2018 11:36 am

    The known MiG-31K´s are a repaired MiG-31DZ (with refueling probe) that includes Kinzhal capability
    This is not a modernized MiG-31, because have not the radar of B/BS versions, and for that any of the new capabilities of BM based in that thing
    The most visible similarity MiG-31BM and MiG-31K is the periscope over the copkit
    However the MiG-31K has not pylons under the wings, and also have not an antenna unther the copkit, just before of the forward landing gear.

    All B (with probe) were modernized to BM-type28, last in 2013.Total about 45 in my account for VVS and Navy (remaining from 54 as much received from USSR)
    The BS (without probe) are being modernized to BM-type 58 and type 78 since the end of 2013 and it is not clear if will be enough for the current squadrons, completing Perm and perhaps Yelizovo at the end of this year.As much about 90 will be modernized for VVS and Navy , this means probaby about all the available

    MiG-31K have the tittle "VKS"in the tail, not VVS. It is still not clear the destination unit of this squadron of MiG-31K.
    Anyway there are enough MiG-31DZ stored for raise several squadrons of MiG-31K, in my opinión probably at least one squudron in the two main fleets, as there are not naval Tu-22 since 10 years ago
    Top Poast thumbsup Answers a bunch of questions I came here for.

    Cannibalising the relatively limited numbers of BMs for launching Kinzhal (what I presumed they would be doing) had seemed like a bad idea.
    Using an old model that has been sitting around in storage, minimally upgraded and with obsolete stuff not needed for this dedicated purpose stripped out makes a lot of sense.
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    Post  Hole Sat Jun 02, 2018 2:52 pm

    A radar and a few AAM´s for self-defence would be fine, but the range of its main weapon makes it no neccessity.

    I guess the plane will receive all information it needs from external sources.
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    Post  LMFS Thu Aug 02, 2018 9:09 pm

    Found this checking old articles from Alexei Leonkov in Zvezda Weekly Shocked


    In addition, in the West, it is claimed that the MiG-31 is morally obsolete, has not been manufactured for a long time and needs to be replaced with a more modern aircraft.  I answer all these critics that the MiG-31 did not fully reveal the potential that its creators, the aircraft designers G.E.  Lozino-Lozinsky and K.K.  Vasilchenko.
    Yes, this plane had a difficult fate.  Originally it was planned as a daytime interceptor at high flight speeds - up to 7.000 km / h.  To do this, its body was made of titanium alloys.  In fact, the speed was half as much, as instead of a specially designed engine the plane received the D-30F6, modified based on the civil engine D-30 from the Tu-134.  With a pair of these engines, the maximum speed of the MiG-31 was 3,400 km / h.
    Now "ODK-Perm Motors" and "ODK-Star" on the basis of additive technologies were able to restore the production of units and engine assemblies D-30F6 at a new qualitative level.  There is a hope that they will be able to create a "native" engine for the MiG-31, taking into account the prospects of its new combat service.  With the "native" engine flight performance of the aircraft can become much better.

    https://zvezdaweekly.ru/news/t/20185211547-L3aOs.html

    This would mean the MiG-41 could in fact be little more than an updated MiG-31 with new engines and avionics!?
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    Post  Hole Sun Aug 05, 2018 7:09 pm

    love

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    Post  George1 Mon Aug 06, 2018 11:49 pm

    MiG-31BM with R-77-1(RVV-SD) missiles! russia

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    Post  Isos Mon Aug 06, 2018 11:53 pm

    George1 wrote:MiG-31BM with R-77-1(RVV-SD) missiles!  russia


    But still the old r-33 instead of r-37.
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    Post  Stealthflanker Tue Aug 07, 2018 4:49 am

    The R-37 is probably not purchased yet. and there might not be many R-33S to begin with. So. R-33 to go.
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    Post  Isos Tue Aug 07, 2018 11:10 pm

    Stealthflanker wrote:The R-37 is probably not purchased yet. and there might not be many R-33S to begin with. So. R-33 to go.

    A mach 2.5 launch at 20km altitude of r-77-1 should give it a range similar to r-33. I assume they will try to make the mig-31 even able to carry r-77M bringing it to a range of 250km easily even more.
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    Post  GarryB Thu Aug 09, 2018 11:42 pm

    But still the old r-33 instead of r-37.

    This is not an operational aircraft on an operational mission... the R-77s and R-73/4s are not real missiles, so why would the belly missiles need to be R-37ms?

    For all we know they might have been testing the R-33s for experience in using long range missiles for training... cheaper to use them up than much more expensive active radar homing R-37Ms.
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    Post  dino00 Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:43 pm

    The MiG-31BM fighters destroyed a conventional ballistic missile in the sky of Transbaikalia

    Their crews at an altitude of 9 thousand meters carried out a search and interception of the target, which was launched from the Telemba test site.

    Supersonic fighters-interceptors MiG-31BM of the Central Military District stationed in the Krasnoyarsk Territory, destroyed the target "Armavir", imitating a ballistic missile during flight and tactical exercises in Transbaikalia.

    According to the plan of the exercises, supersonic fighters MiG-31BM interceptors were raised to intercept the target on alarm from the Domna aerodrome. Crews at an altitude of 9 thousand meters carried out a search and interception of the target, which was launched from the Telemb site in the Trans-Baikal Territory and was at a distance of 30 kilometers. To destroy the target "Armavir", imitating a ballistic missile, the pilots had 5-7 seconds. The crews of the MiG-31BM coped with the task perfectly.

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    https://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/201809211653-mil-ru-tqifq.html
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    Post  dino00 Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:49 pm

    Didnt knew they were supposed to do That.
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    Post  GarryB Sat Sep 22, 2018 10:01 am

    That is rather impressive... but seeing as they were already at 9km altitude and only 30km away and yet had only 5-7 seconds for the intercept suggests that the very idea that a ship could intercept SLBMs when they are launched as being a bit silly...
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    Post  hoom Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:01 pm

    Not simulating SLBM.
    Armavir is a target based off SA-2/S-75 SAM http://survincity.com/2010/12/anti-aircraft-missile-target/
    Presumably similar flight characteristics (Mach 3.5, 45km range & 25km altitude per Wiki) so it'd be simulating something like Grad/Uragan.

    Still, pretty interesting capability.
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    Post  GarryB Sun Sep 23, 2018 1:17 am

    Yes, making Vanns suggestion that a few American AEGIS class cruisers within 50km of a Borei could somehow shoot down all those Bulava missiles before they got on their way to be rubbish.

    Back on topic however, the ability of interceptors like the MiG-31 to take on a variety of targets is useful and interesting... especially in regard that they actually seem to be getting training in such odd roles too.

    Did any of the articles or links mention whether it used R-33s, R-37s, or R-77s or R-73s for the intercept.

    I know it sounds odd asking if R-73s were used but it has a kinetic range of 45km and being launched from 9km altitude from a MiG-31 potentially at supersonic speed it could possibly reach a target 30km away... though I suspect at such a distance the target would have to be at lower altitude rather than also being at high altitude...
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    Post  dino00 Sun Oct 07, 2018 10:07 pm

    new radar is being developed for the MiG-31BM interceptor

    For the MiG-31BM interceptor, they are developing a modernized version of the radar system, which significantly expands its capabilities. The issue of creating a new modification was discussed during the visit of Deputy Defense Minister Alexei Krivoruchko to JSC "Barrier". This was reported in the department of information and mass communications of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.

    “The deputy head of the defense department supported the modernization of the unique radar complex for MiG-31BM aircraft, which significantly expands its capabilities,” the report said.

    More:
    https://tvzvezda.ru/news/opk/content/201810072233-vjr8.htm
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    Post  Giulio Sun Oct 07, 2018 11:05 pm

    And what about this new missile?

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    Post  hoom Mon Oct 08, 2018 12:07 am

    Good question, we did have some discussion about it here but those posts got disappeared for some reason dunno
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    Post  George1 Mon Oct 08, 2018 1:00 am

    hoom wrote:Good question, we did have some discussion about it here but those posts got disappeared for some reason dunno

    friend it didn't disappear. I made a separate thread because i considered the MiG-31 ASAT missile an interesting topic

    Here

    https://www.russiadefence.net/t5974-mig-31dz-asat
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    Post  LMFS Mon Oct 08, 2018 1:08 am

    dino00 wrote: new radar is being developed for the MiG-31BM interceptor

    For the MiG-31BM interceptor, they are developing a modernized version of the radar system, which significantly expands its capabilities. The issue of creating a new modification was discussed during the visit of Deputy Defense Minister Alexei Krivoruchko to JSC "Barrier". This was reported in the department of information and mass communications of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.

    “The deputy head of the defense department supported the modernization of the unique radar complex for MiG-31BM aircraft, which significantly expands its capabilities,” the report said.

    More:
    https://tvzvezda.ru/news/opk/content/201810072233-vjr8.htm
    Great news, this means more life for the MiG-31. Any guess if an AESA is in the making for the MiG-31 or they will just improve the parameters of the current radar? For instance range and number of tracked targets seems worse than Irbis-E, which makes little sense for such a big aperture in the main interceptor of RuAF. Maybe A2G modes included?
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    Post  GarryB Wed Oct 10, 2018 5:06 am

    A new AESA design should make it much more powerful and effective as there will be rather more control... and if they are going ahead with MiG-41s then they will need new radar designs anyway...
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    Post  Luq man Wed Nov 14, 2018 7:39 pm

    R-37, R-77-1, R-33
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    Post  Isos Wed Nov 14, 2018 8:35 pm

    Luq man wrote:R-37, R-77-1, R-33

    R-73*
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    Post  franco Tue Dec 04, 2018 9:47 pm

    Three more modernized Mig-31BM's arrived at Perm.


    https://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12206688@egNews
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    Post  GarryB Wed Dec 05, 2018 10:26 am

    R-37, R-77-1, R-33

    As corrected you misspelled the R-73 as R-37, but the R-73 is actually the R-73EL model with the laser proximity fuse...

    The marks on the side for the lasers, and the rocket motor show that these are live rounds, not the dummies they normally carry.
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    Post  Hole Thu Dec 13, 2018 8:35 pm

    Nice pic.

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