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MiG-31BM/Κ Interceptor/Attack aircraft: News
GarryB- Posts : 40553
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It says the one shown in the video presented by Putin was a standard BM.... hope that is the case as it means they could all carry it or will all be modified to carry it.
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Ten MIG-31 fighter jets fitted with Kinzhal air-launched missiles on test combat duty
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I really don't see what is so hard about modifying the plane to carry it. Just structural reinforcement and maybe some small fairings to make sure the missile separates cleanly. And then some sort of data bus to transfer navigational data to the missile, maybe a power cable to keep the missiles battery charged, or perhaps a new battery is installed as part of the arming sequence. The MIG-31 does not use it sensors to target this missile, the range is far to great.
GarryB wrote:It says the one shown in the video presented by Putin was a standard BM.... hope that is the case as it means they could all carry it or will all be modified to carry it.
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Another MiG-31 - the carrier of the missile complex "Kinzhal"
A photo of another MiG-31 fighter - a converted carrier of an aerial ballistic missile of the Kinzhal air-launched missile system. This aircraft has the onboard number "98 red", and, according to known data, the MiG-31 carriers of this complex involved in the pilot-alert duty have on-board numbers starting in order from "90 red". The picture is dated in 2017.
The MiG-31 fighter (the side number "98 red") is a re-equipped carrier of the aeroballistic rocket of the Kinzhal air-launched missile system, 2017 (c) Dmitry SherHunter / russianplanes.net (link)
As it was already reported, Deputy Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation Yury Borisov in an interview with Zvezda TV and Radio Company on May 5, 2018, announced the MiG-31 with the Kinzhal complex, that "today ten aircraft are on trial duty and ready for use depending on situation ". As can be seen, this statement by Y. Borisov is in principle confirmed by a known range of airborne aircraft numbers carrier of the complex.
The place for carrying out the specified pilot combat duty, as can be judged, is the airfield of the 929th State Flight Test Center of the Ministry of Defense named after V.P. Chkalov in Akhtubinsk (Astrakhan Region).
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3189692.html
A photo of another MiG-31 fighter - a converted carrier of an aerial ballistic missile of the Kinzhal air-launched missile system. This aircraft has the onboard number "98 red", and, according to known data, the MiG-31 carriers of this complex involved in the pilot-alert duty have on-board numbers starting in order from "90 red". The picture is dated in 2017.
The MiG-31 fighter (the side number "98 red") is a re-equipped carrier of the aeroballistic rocket of the Kinzhal air-launched missile system, 2017 (c) Dmitry SherHunter / russianplanes.net (link)
As it was already reported, Deputy Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation Yury Borisov in an interview with Zvezda TV and Radio Company on May 5, 2018, announced the MiG-31 with the Kinzhal complex, that "today ten aircraft are on trial duty and ready for use depending on situation ". As can be seen, this statement by Y. Borisov is in principle confirmed by a known range of airborne aircraft numbers carrier of the complex.
The place for carrying out the specified pilot combat duty, as can be judged, is the airfield of the 929th State Flight Test Center of the Ministry of Defense named after V.P. Chkalov in Akhtubinsk (Astrakhan Region).
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3189692.html
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It is likely attached to the position sometimes used for large external fuel tanks for ferrying...
I would say the rewiring would not be extensive, and most of the upgrade would be software.
I suspect the MiG-31 already has extensive comms equipment as it is designed to operate over the arctic alone.
Another Arrow to its bow.
I would say the rewiring would not be extensive, and most of the upgrade would be software.
I suspect the MiG-31 already has extensive comms equipment as it is designed to operate over the arctic alone.
Another Arrow to its bow.
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Could it be possible to make the MiG-31 a carrier borne aircraft? It could act as a long range ELINT, AWACS, and AShM plane.
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KomissarBojanchev wrote:Could it be possible to make the MiG-31 a carrier borne aircraft? It could act as a long range ELINT, AWACS, and AShM plane.
No. It's too heavy, and it's take off is too long to work on a carrier deck.
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It is twice the weight of an Su-33 but with much less lift because it is designed for low drag high speed high altitude flight.
The airfields it normally operates from are between 3km and 5km long...
No. Carrier based, is not an option.
The airfields it normally operates from are between 3km and 5km long...
No. Carrier based, is not an option.
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Are there any differences of MiG-31K comparing with BM?? Except Khinzal carrying
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George1 wrote:Are there any differences of MiG-31K comparing with BM?? Except Khinzal carrying
The known MiG-31K´s are a repaired MiG-31DZ (with refueling probe) that includes Kinzhal capability
This is not a modernized MiG-31, because have not the radar of B/BS versions, and for that any of the new capabilities of BM based in that thing
The most visible similarity MiG-31BM and MiG-31K is the periscope over the copkit
However the MiG-31K has not pylons under the wings, and also have not an antenna unther the copkit, just before of the forward landing gear.
All B (with probe) were modernized to BM-type28, last in 2013.Total about 45 in my account for VVS and Navy (remaining from 54 as much received from USSR)
The BS (without probe) are being modernized to BM-type 58 and type 78 since the end of 2013 and it is not clear if will be enough for the current squadrons, completing Perm and perhaps Yelizovo at the end of this year.As much about 90 will be modernized for VVS and Navy , this means probaby about all the available
MiG-31K have the tittle "VKS"in the tail, not VVS. It is still not clear the destination unit of this squadron of MiG-31K.
Anyway there are enough MiG-31DZ stored for raise several squadrons of MiG-31K, in my opinión probably at least one squudron in the two main fleets, as there are not naval Tu-22 since 10 years ago
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KomissarBojanchev wrote:Could it be possible to make the MiG-31 a carrier borne aircraft? It could act as a long range ELINT, AWACS, and AShM plane.
First: Impossible
Second: Not necesary
Russia has Novaya Zemlya, Novisibisrsk Islands , Frank Josef islands, Wrangel, Sakhalin, Kuril, etc... as unsinkable aircraft carriers
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The aircraft is called Tu-22M3, the Tu-22 is gone since the beginning of the 90`s.
I´m sure the MiG-31K has received new com and nav systems and a new data link. So you could call it modernised, just different than the BM/BMS.
I´m sure the MiG-31K has received new com and nav systems and a new data link. So you could call it modernised, just different than the BM/BMS.
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I would suspect the upgrades needed would not be extensive if done on an already upgraded MiG-31.
Upgrading older models is probably for the Aerospace Defence Forces rather than the Air Force, but could also be a Naval Aviation detachment within that service since the proper force called Naval Aviation was absorbed by the VVS.
I suspect that any new anti satellite missiles they might have developed would also be carried by these upgraded MiG-31Ks.
Just speculation of course.
Upgrading older models is probably for the Aerospace Defence Forces rather than the Air Force, but could also be a Naval Aviation detachment within that service since the proper force called Naval Aviation was absorbed by the VVS.
I suspect that any new anti satellite missiles they might have developed would also be carried by these upgraded MiG-31Ks.
Just speculation of course.
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Interceptor MiG-31 - a look from the West
According to the May issue of Air Forces Monthly in the article "One of a Kind", the Russian heavy fighter-interceptor MiG-31 has a maximum speed of 2.8M, and its supersonic range is 702 miles, at subsonic mode 1620 miles. Its unique feature is the battery of air-to-air missiles with a range of 108 miles, while the aircraft can be used autonomously or using a ground-based guidance system.
During its development in the 1960s, the MiG-31 required only one thing - to protect the USSR from the attacks by cruise missiles from strategic bombers and submarines from the vast expanses of the Far North and the Far East.
The key element of the MiG-31 is the fire control system RP-31 (Zaslon, S-800), which includes the radar 8BB (H007) - the world's first on-board radar with passive phased array antenna (PFAR), and the 8TK direction finder , the data exchange system APD-518 and the system for receiving commands from the ground 5U15K ("Rainbow-Bort-MB"). The main function of the "Screen" is to simultaneously track 10 targets and attack four of them, regardless of the location. One of the targets can fly in the stratosphere, another - at the ground, and the missiles will be directed to both targets. The crew of MiG-31 consists of a pilot and navigator-operator of weapons in the rear cabin, which works with radar and weapons. The R-33 missile has a range of 65 miles, and its P-33C modification ("article 520") is equipped with a nuclear warhead. The P-33 is designed for the MiG-31, and no other fighter can use it.
Modernization of MiG-31BM
In the first half of the 2000s, the Russian Air Force loaded the RAC "MiG" with a work on the upgraded version of the MiG-31BM with improved radar and missiles. The first modernized MiG-31BM (on-board number "58") made its first flight in September 2005 and was sent for testing to Akhtubinsk in December of that year. It was followed by a second car (onboard number "59") and a third ("60"), in which improvements were made.
The first stage of the State tests of the MiG-31BM was successfully carried out in November 2007, after which a permit for serial modernization was obtained. The most modern MiG-31B was modernized first, followed by older MiG-31BS, which after the upgrade were named MiG-31BCM. MiG-31BC, in turn, were upgraded versions of the MiG-31 or MiG-31DZ, which were in operation with the later MiG-31B.
The Ministry of Defense of Russia placed the first contract for the modernization of the supposedly eight MiG-31 on April 1, On March 20, next year, the Nizhny Novgorod plant "Sokol" handed over the first two upgraded MiG-31BMs to the air force for re-training in Savvasleyke. A major contract for the modernization of 60 MiG-31B in the MiG-31BM version was signed with the Sokol plant on August 1, 2011.
UAC signed the second contract for the modernization of 54 MiG-31 on November 21, 2014. It was carried out jointly by Sokol and the 514th aircraft repair plant in Rzhev in the period 2015-2018. Rzhev Plant is responsible for a small part of the contract. For example, in 2014 five machines were modified here, and in the next year - two more. To date, almost all serviceable MiG-31s have been upgraded. The rest must be finalized by the end of 2018.
Radar
The main goal of modernization of the MiG-31BM is the possibility of using new missiles, as well as the development of the radar by introducing new modes and increasing the range of its operation. The upgraded fire control system Zaslon-AM (S-800AM) includes the upgraded 8BM radar with the new Baget-55-06 processor, which replaced the old Argon-15A. The radar has retained a passive phased array antenna.
It is claimed that the detection range of the new radar is 130 miles for a target of the "fighter" type, which is twice as large as that of its predecessor. The radar can accompany 24 targets and can fire six of them simultaneously. The radar "Zaslon-A" is being further developed into the "Zaslon-AM" version by the manufacturer - the Leninets company (so in the text - bmpd) for the NIIP NIIP project. Tikhomirova. The direction-finding machine 8TK remained unchanged.
In the cockpit (front), the analog instruments were replaced with 127x127 mm monitors placed on the front panel. The rear cabin received 152x203 mm monitors instead of cathode ray tubes.
The aircraft is equipped with a modernized radio station P800L and an improved navigation system, including the A737 satellite navigation receiver. The glider and engines do not change, but the glider resource lasts up to 30 years or 3500 flying hours. It is possible that in the course of planned repairs the resource will be extended.
Externally, the MiG-31BM can be distinguished from the old modifications due to the absence of a central pylon, which was previously intended for suspension of the R-40TD missile, and which was replaced by a more compact pylon for the suspension of the R-73 and R-77-1 missiles. These missiles can also be used from the second underwing pylon, which was previously used only for suspension of a suspended fuel tank. Another difference was the appearance of a periscope over the pilot's head.
The maximum take-off weight of the MiG-31BM is 46835 kg, the flight range reaches 1,242 miles, but the conditions for its achievement are not disclosed.
New missiles
The MiG-31BM armament was supplemented by four R-37M missiles with a range of 108 miles. The prototype of the R-37M missile ("product 610M") was first launched from the MiG-31 in 2011, and the state tests were completed in 2014. The missile is mass-produced at the enterprise of the Corporation "Tactical Missile Armament" in Korolev. The missile is equipped with a GOSFET-610MSH. The MiG-31BM can also carry four short-range R-73 missiles, which replaced the much outdated R-40TD medium-range missiles and obsolete R-60s.
It is expected that at the next stage of modernization of the MiG-31BM will receive medium-range missiles R-77-1 and K-77M. He will be able to carry four such missiles on the underwing pylons. If you look at the distant future, the MiG-31 can be equipped with a missile "product 810", developed for the Su-57 fighter. Then the software for the radar "Zaslon" will be updated. The installation of a new thermal direction finder is also being considered. Finally, a new flight control system KSU-31 is being developed.
Where are the MiG-31s?
After the flight of the first prototype on September 16, 1975, the Sokol plant produced 519 interceptors in 1976-1994. This number included 349 early MiG-31, 101 MiG-31DZ and 69 MiG-31B. Large-scale production was carried out until 1990, then it was braked and stopped in 1994. The last MiG-31 left the shop in April 1994. The first part, which received the MiG-31 for service, was the 786th Fighter Regiment, based in Pravdinsk [Gorky Region]. He was declared combat-ready in 1983.
Currently, there are about 130 MiG-31s in the Armed Forces. Another 130 are in storage, and approximately 65 of them are on the territory of the 514th ARZ in Rzhev. MiG-31 is in service with the regiments in Bolshoy Savino, Kansk, Khotilovo, Monchegorsk, Central Corner, Elizovo and Savasleika. Approximately 10 aircraft are used for testing in the 929th State Flight Test Center of the Ministry of Defense in Akhtubinsk.
130 MiG-31 in storage allow creating several more aviation units in case of availability of financing. In the Far East, it is planned to restore the 530th Fighter Regiment in Chuguevka. Since 1975, the regiment flew on the MiG-25, and since 1988 - on the MiG-31. It was liquidated in 2009, and the squadron of serviceable MiG-31s was redeployed to the Tsentralnaya Uglovaya airfield and included in the part of the part based there. The airfield of Chuguevka is periodically used. For example, on a satellite image from June 2016, it detects 11 MiG-31. Probably, they were transferred here for the time of exercises from the airfield Central Corner. As part of the military construction in the Arctic, Russia announced the creation of new airfields for the MiG-31 in Tiksi and Anadyr, but the work there has not yet begun.
Future offers
Several sources report that RSK "Mig" is working on new versions of the MiG-31 under ambiguous designations "product 06" and "product 08". Perhaps one of them is associated with the "Dagger" system. Another may be a new modification or an airplane of a completely different purpose, for example, a satellite interceptor.
More than 30 years ago, in January 1987, MiG-31D ("product 07") made its first flight. It was the carrier of the anti-satellite missile 79M6. The missile and interceptor formed the anti-satellite complex 30P6 "Contact". Two prototypes of MiG-31D were produced. In 1991, work on the MiG-31D and its development MiG-31DM with an improved 95M6 missile were discontinued. After the collapse of the USSR, both prototypes of MiG-31D remained in Sary-Shagan in Kazakhstan, where they were examined.
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3206861.html
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George1 wrote:Interceptor MiG-31 - a look from the West
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3206861.html
Very good, thanks
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Guy Plopsky
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Interesting Izvestia piece on #MiG31K (K for "#Kinzhal" air-launched ballistic missile system). Aircraft's radar apparently removed. New fire-control, data-link and navigation systems installed. Fuselage was modified, engines were modernized.
https://iz.ru/744567/aleksandr-kruglov-aleksei-ramm-nikolai-surkov/kinzhal-doverili-novomu-nositeliu
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Well that is interesting... radar removed means a significant weight loss...
But upgraded engines?
I remember with the MiG-31M upgrade there was supposed to be a 16.5 ton thrust engine that was supposed to replace the standard 15.5 ton thrust engine... or perhaps they have improved its ability to operate at higher speeds... it says 3,400km/h... assuming mach 1 is 320m/s at sea level then that is mach 2.95...
So with removing the radar it sounds like not all the MiG-31s will be able to operate it, but it will make a good use for older more obsolete models that were not upgraded...
But upgraded engines?
I remember with the MiG-31M upgrade there was supposed to be a 16.5 ton thrust engine that was supposed to replace the standard 15.5 ton thrust engine... or perhaps they have improved its ability to operate at higher speeds... it says 3,400km/h... assuming mach 1 is 320m/s at sea level then that is mach 2.95...
So with removing the radar it sounds like not all the MiG-31s will be able to operate it, but it will make a good use for older more obsolete models that were not upgraded...
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Paralay called this bullshit:JohninMK wrote:
Guy Plopsky
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Interesting Izvestia piece on #MiG31K (K for "#Kinzhal" air-launched ballistic missile system). Aircraft's radar apparently removed. New fire-control, data-link and navigation systems installed. Fuselage was modified, engines were modernized.
https://iz.ru/744567/aleksandr-kruglov-aleksei-ramm-nikolai-surkov/kinzhal-doverili-novomu-nositeliu
https://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?137587-RuAF-News-and-development-Thread-part-15&p=2443640#post2443640
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of course its bullshit. Izvestia, the rest of them are all really garbage media.
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He also says the MiG-41 is dead and they are going to go with some stealthy piece of shit that looks like an Su-34 raped and Su-57 and had a baby...
If the purpose of the upgrade it to allow the carriage of a large long range missile under the fuselage that is going to be lofted at the enemy.... losing the radar is a bit drastic and makes it a one trick pony really, but then it is not going to have other weapons on it, so in that sense it really is a one trick pony... but it is a really good trick.
If you are going to take away the radar then it would make sense to change all the electronics so that they supported the mission and remove everything that is not needed... and therefore changing the engines would also make sense too... the 15.5 ton thrust engines have been used forever, so boost in thrust and a drop in weight would benefit the aircraft... especially when putting a 4.5 ton missile under its belly.
Lets wait and see what official sources say...
If the purpose of the upgrade it to allow the carriage of a large long range missile under the fuselage that is going to be lofted at the enemy.... losing the radar is a bit drastic and makes it a one trick pony really, but then it is not going to have other weapons on it, so in that sense it really is a one trick pony... but it is a really good trick.
If you are going to take away the radar then it would make sense to change all the electronics so that they supported the mission and remove everything that is not needed... and therefore changing the engines would also make sense too... the 15.5 ton thrust engines have been used forever, so boost in thrust and a drop in weight would benefit the aircraft... especially when putting a 4.5 ton missile under its belly.
Lets wait and see what official sources say...
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I'm curious, if it takes around 10 years to fully test a modern fighter or interceptor, then how did the MiG-31, with all of its very high tech systems manage to get into service(1979) in just 4 years from its maiden flight(1975)with all problems solved?
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Because its based off of the MiG-25. A lot of work was already done. It was improving it, but the body was already designed and used.
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miketheterrible wrote:Because its based off of the MiG-25. A lot of work was already done. It was improving it, but the body was already designed and used.
There is almost nothing similar in the MiG-25 besides an angular airframce. The wing are different, the nose, the tail, all the avionics, radar, weapons, refueling probe, engines, etc.
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But they started from the MiG-25. Much easier to upgrade something than to build it from scratch. They could skip a lot of tests.
And the development of the electronics and some systems was started in 1968. In 1975 the phased-array antenna was ready for testing on an aircraft. Full scale design work of the aircraft started in 1972. In 1975 two MiG-25´s were modified. Production was started in 1977.
And the development of the electronics and some systems was started in 1968. In 1975 the phased-array antenna was ready for testing on an aircraft. Full scale design work of the aircraft started in 1972. In 1975 two MiG-25´s were modified. Production was started in 1977.
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I think the MiG-31 was declared operational in 1983, not 1979. Anyway, lots of tests of radar and missiles were also made in other aircraft (there was a converted Tu-104 with a modified radome with a Zaslon radar and R-33 missiles under the wings, that shot down aerial targets). Also, at the time all projects moved much faster than today: F-15 had its first flight in 1972 and entered IOC in 1976.