Akula leased Nuclear Submarine: News

George1 wrote:Negotiations on the lease to India from Russia of second nuclear submarine

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wow cool no one else in world will lease india nuclear Sun except Russia

http://sputniknews.com/military/20160712/1042804814/russian-navy-akula-sub.html

India agreed to lease the second Akula-class submarine from the Russian Navy, local media reported Tuesday citing a source in the military.

Russia will start building new fifth-generation Kalina submarines in 2018, according to a Navy source.

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MOSCOW (Sputnik) — In 2010, India began a 10-year lease of the nuclear-powered attack Akula-class submarine Nerpa. After joining India's Navy, the submarine was renamed to INS Chakra.

Akula-class submarines feature very low acoustic signatures and can carry up to 12 submarine-launched cruise missiles with nuclear warheads and a range of 3,000 kilometers (1,860 miles) in addition to anti-ship missiles and torpedoes.

New Delhi again has approached Moscow for the lease of a second Akula class submarine (after the INS Chakra) and is following up with the discussion on the second lease which has been underway for a number of years now ,but disagreements on pricing and lease terms meant that inking of final agreement has still remained elusive until now .

High-level Russian delegation spearheaded by Russian shipbuilding industry meet at the sidelines of Defexpo 2016 with Indian counterparts and discussed leasing of Akula-Class Nuclear submarine but speculation is that Russia and India also discussed a joint collaborative venture for the construction of Indigenous SSNs based on more advanced Russian

Yasen-Class submarines which will eventually replace Akulas in Russian Navy . Yasen-Class submarines have been accepted by Russian Navy only in 2014 and according to U.S. Office of Naval Intelligence Yasen-Class submarines are estimated to be the quietest, or least detectable, of contemporaneous Russian and Chinese nuclear submarines .

The Yasen class submarine is equipped with eight vertical missile silos, four 650 mm torpedo tubes and four 533 mm torpedo tubes. The Yasen is also likely to be armed with the high-speed underwater ‘Shkval’ torpedo, which has a radius of seven to thirteen km and a speed of up to 200 knots.

There is no doubt that Russia will always be Top contender in India’s choice of partners for development of its Indigenous tactical attack submarines but with each submarine priced around 1.6 $ billion for Russia ,

Yasen Class Submarine will not be cheap but will definitely propel India’s depleting undersea force in par with undersea capabilities of Top Navies in the world,only if India and Russia can come around for some level of understanding of sharing some of the advanced technology of Yasen submarine for incorporating it with India’s indigenous attack submarines which are still on drawing board.

http://idrw.org/india-pushing-russia-beyond-akula-class-nuclear-submarine-technology/ .

India is interested in renting the multi-purpose Project 885 Yasen class submarine from Russia. This is being seen as a sign of another forthcoming India-Russia collaborative venture for the construction of six new SSN for Indian Navy.

New Delhi (Sputnik) — A high-level Indian delegation will be visiting Russia shortly to finalize an agreement on renting the Yasen class submarine for the Indian Navy.

Government sources told Sputnik that renting the second nuclear powered attack submarine from Russia would result in the introduction of newer technology into India, which would eventually pave the way for Russian collaboration with India for it program to build six new SSN.

Russia had originally offered Akula class submarine to India which India already had in the form of the INS Chakra. Experts consider that there may be some adversities due to the different characteristics of the two boats, but this may be more than offset by the newer technology the Yasen brings into India's own SSN-building program in the longer term. Executive Director of National Maritime Foundation Indian Navy Captain Gurpreet S Khurana says, “It may not be a bad idea to get the Yasen-class as the second boat. Its design is known to be based on the Akula, and yet it is more advanced and capable than its predecessor.”

Project-75I that relates to the manufacturing of six new nuclear attack submarines at an approximate cost of $8.5 bln is being held up due to a delay finalizing the Defense Procurement Policy 2016. Now the policy is ready, the tender likely to be issued by end of this year.

Meanwhile, French ship building company DCNS’ alleged involvement in the Scorpene Submarine data leak controversy makes a strong case for another India-Russia collaborative venture for this project. Captain Khurana says that the Indian government’s decision to locally build the six nuclear powered attack submarines is driven by the country’s maritime interest in distant areas. “A SSN is required to influence events in distant areas of the country's maritime interest, where conventional surface and integral aviation cannot operate for whatever reason. The Indian government seems to have realized this national imperative while approving the indigenous construction of six SSNs,” says Captain Khurana.

Read more: https://sputniknews.com/military/20160915/1045347626/india-russ-a-yasen-submarine.html

Is Russia considering leasing one of its most advanced nuclear-powered attack submarines to India?

According to state-run Russian media outlet Sputnik, a high-level Indian delegation is expected to sign an agreement to lease a Project 885 Yasen-class SSGN to New Delhi in the near future. However, Russia currently only has one Yasen-class boat in service— K-560 Severodvinsk. Russia has started construction on five additional Project 885M submarines, but those boats are not expected to be completed anytime in the near future.

But is there a realistic chance that Russia would lease its most capable nuclear attack submarines to India? Analysts specializing in Russian military affairs say that there have been rumors of exactly such an eventuality floating around for months, but the chances of such a deal being finalized are probably fairly remote.

“I have heard rumors to this effect for several months,” Dmitry Gorenburg, a senior research scientist specializing in Russian military affairs at the Center for Naval Analyses, told The National Interest. “The main problem, it seems to me, is that it would delay the construction of Yasens for the Russian fleet. Makes me a little doubtful that it would come to pass, unless the Indians are willing to wait for a number of years.”

Severodvinsk and her sister ships—which are still in construction—are the most capable submarines that Russia—or the Soviet Union before it—have ever built. The submarines are fast, deep diving, heavily armed and are extremely quiet according to U.S. Navy sources. Moreover, the new vessels are equipped with a spherical bow sonar array—which addresses one of the major weak points of previous Russian and Soviet submarine design. Indeed, U.S. Navy officials have publicly stated how impressed they are with the Yasen-class on a number of different occasions.

“It’s a very impressive submarine,” Vice Adm. James G. Foggo III, who is simultaneously commander of the U.S. Navy’s 6th Fleet, Joint Force Maritime Component Commander Europe and NATO’s Naval Striking and Support Forces NATO, told The National Interest earlier this year. “If you look across the design of the Russian Federation Navy, where they have put their resources and their research and development efforts has primarily been in the undersea domain and in the submarine force.”

But the problem for Moscow is that while Severodvinsk and her sisters offer performance comparable to (but not quite matching) the U.S. Navy’s Seawolf-class, the roughly 13,000-ton boats are extraordinarily expensive. The first boat cost roughly $1.5 billion while the second Yasen—called Kazan, which is a modernized design—is likely to cost even more by the time it is completed. Moreover, construction is proceeding slowly with each new Project 885M boat taking years to complete. Thus, there are doubts that Russia will be able to afford all eight Yasens that are currently planned—and that might be where India comes in.

“Five are currently under construction in addition to the Severodvinsk. One more is expected to be laid down next summer,” Gorenburg said. “So they're certainly acting like they will build all eight. Though it will take a long time, and maybe they'll lease one or more to India along the way, if the rumors are to be believed. I have some doubts about the likelihood of the deal going through.”

Gorenburg’s doubts are not unfounded. RIA Novosti—which is the main Russian-language edition of Sputnik—reports that while New Delhi is interested in leasing the much more advanced Yasen, Moscow has offered India a second Project 971 Shchuka-B-class (NATO: Akula II) submarine to complement the INS Chakra—which was called K-152 Nerpa in Russian service before it was leased to the Indians in 2012. The Russian reasoning is that it will be too difficult for the Indians to operate multiple types of nuclear attack submarines.

As it currently stands, the Russians expect that President Vladimir Putin will sign a contract with Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi to lease a second Project 971 Shchuka-B-class attack submarine when he visits India in October. Meanwhile, Sputnik also reported that the submarine leasing deal might pave the way for Russia to help India develop and build six new indigenous nuclear attack boats. However, there is not currently enough information to assess if such a collaboration is a realistic possibility. “I'm not sure on that,” Gorenburg said. “It's possible, but I don't think I have enough information to assess the likelihood of them agreeing to that.”


http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/india-about-lease-russias-best-nuclear-submarine-ever-17808

Pinto wrote:Is Russia considering leasing one of its most advanced nuclear-powered attack submarines to India?

They hardly have enough for themselves and India is not exactly a very loyal customer of Russian defense products as of late.

Pinto wrote:As it currently stands, the Russians expect that President Vladimir Putin will sign a contract with Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi to lease a second Project 971 Shchuka-B-class attack submarine when he visits India in October.

Now that makes sense

George1 wrote:Lease of 2nd nuclear submarine to India?

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Looks like contracts for the sub and minute details of S400 have been signed during Putin's india visit but have been classified

Pinto wrote:

George1 wrote:Lease of 2nd nuclear submarine to India?

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Looks like contracts for the sub and minute details of S400 have been signed during Putin's india visit but have been classified

http://www.defencenews.in/article/Russia-agrees-to-lease-another-Nuclear-Attack-Submarine-to-India-for-$2bn-8815

Russia has quietly agreed to lease out a second nuclear attack submarine of the Akula class to India this month in a deal worth around $2 billion. The lease of the first Akula-class submarine that the Indian Navy calls INS Chakra expires in 2021.

The lease deal for the second nuclear submarine was finalised at a summit-level meeting between Russian President Vladimir Putin and Prime Minister Narendra Modi.

The attack submarine will arrive in Indian waters in 2020-21. The decision to acquire a second Russian nuclear submarine on lease was taken after India’s first indigenously built nuclear submarine INS Arihant was quietly commissioned days before the September 18 Uri terrorist attack. The 6,000-tonne indigenous nuclear submarine that can fire nuclear ballistic missiles up to a range of 3,500- km was commissioned in secret even as Pakistan Defence Minister Khwaja Asif was invoking in public the possibility of using tactical nuclear weapons against India.

The Akula-class submarine is nuclear powered but is armed with conventional land attack missiles. The Arihant, however, is part of India’s nuclear triad with Agni V missiles and aircraft-delivered nukes making up the other two legs. Given the sharp variation of temperatures with depth in Indian waters, the difficulty of detecting the Arihant makes it a potent weapon.

It is understood that Arihant has already been operationally deployed. The second indigenous nuclear submarine of the same class, INS Aridhaman, will slip into the water in 2018. Powered by an 83 MW miniaturized reactor which went critical on August 10, 2013, the Arihant had to undergo extensive diving and missile firing trials.

Pakistan does not have a nuclear submarine, and thus lacks a nuclear triad. China has four nuclear-powered submarines in operation, a number that will go up to six in a couple of years. China’s N-subs carry a version of the Dong Feng nuclear missile that has a range of up to 7,000 km.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/russia-agrees-to-lease-another-nuclear-attack-submarine-to-india/story-kWiXTWwVoE7oNzGwsmMsCP.html

The Akula 2 class submarine is expected to arrive in Indian waters in 2020-21.

After protracted negotiations, Russia has agreed to lease a second nuclear submarine to India in a deal which will cost around USD 2 billion. Sources today said the deal was struck during the meeting between Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Russian President Vladimir Putin on October 15 on the sidelines of the BRICS meet in Goa.

However, it was not part of the slew of announcements made after the talks. The Defence Ministry and the Navy did not offer any information on the subject since it was a strategic platform coming under direct purview of the Prime Minister’s Office.

Watch- MoUs being signed between India and Russia

Alexei Nikolski, a columnist with Russian daily Vedomosti, which broke the story, wrote, “According to a source in the Russian defence industry, the long-discussed lease to transfer a multipurpose Project 971 nuclear submarine to India from the Russian Navy was signed in Goa.”

The Akula 2 class submarine is expected to arrive in Indian waters in 2020-21. The Indian Navy already operates an Akula 2 class nuclear submarine, INS Chakra (formerly known as K-152 Nerpa), which was leased by Russia for 10 years and commissioned on April 4, 2012 after India paid for its completion of its construction and sea-trials. India had been keen to lease a second nuclear submarine.
Indian defence sources had said that Russia had linked the lease of the nuclear submarine to the agreement for four stealth frigates.

In Goa, India and Russia announced an over USD 3 billion frigate deal. Under the agreement, two stealth frigates will be built in Russia while the other two would be built in India under license production.

The Akula 2 class submarine, though not the latest class of nuclear-powered fast-attack submarines in the world, is still considered one of the most advanced. Capable of sailing at speeds up to 35 knots (nearly 65 km per hour) under water, it is among the quietest Russian submarines.

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-news-india/india-to-lease-another-russian-akula-class-nuclear-submarine-3091450/

JohninMK wrote:"Indian defence sources had said that Russia had linked the lease of the nuclear submarine to the agreement for four stealth frigates."

That's the way to do it, link something less important to something really wanted. Top negotiating.

Note the dates, Akula No1 running out of lease at about the same time as Akula No2 arrives. So time pressure on the deal as well, plus possible Akula No1 refurb as well.

well bro Indian defense sources and media is highly biased in favor of US/western arms lobby so take these sources with truck loads of salt.

George1 wrote:Negotiations on the acquisition by India of a second nuclear multi-purpose project 971 submarine in Russia were stalled due to the fact that the parties could not reach an agreement on the price, reports the Indian edition India Today.

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Never change India...

Better this way.

Russia needs that sub more anyway and since they most likely will not be using that money to buy more Yasen SSGNs leasing it was pointless endeavor in the first place

3 billion bucks buys you grand total of 3 Yasen-class SSGNs which is precisely number Russia needs to complete desired number

Will they do the smart thing?

PapaDragon wrote:
3 billion bucks buys you grand total of 3 Yasen-class SSGNs which is precisely number Russia needs to complete desired number

Will they do the smart thing?

Russia has a tendency to sit on money were it doesn't grow while military runs at a strict budget. They COULD buy many more subs with that amount plus they could with current surplus, but they just sit on it.

PapaDragon wrote:
3 billion bucks buys you grand total of 3 Yasen-class SSGNs which is precisely number Russia needs to complete desired number

Will they do the smart thing?

Or invest in husky to accelerate the program. Yasen are more expensive than you think. For that money they would have only enough for one and half yasen. A big part will also be used to repair and upgrade the akula that is being leased.