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    Post  Admin Wed Aug 12, 2009 10:04 am

    India approved the purchase of Russian helicopters Ka-31
    12.08.2009

    Government of India has approved the application Naval forces in the country for the purchase of five Russian helicopters patrol the ship's radar-based Ka-31, the value of each of which is about $ 20 million. This, according to Defense News, said unnamed sources in the Indian Navy.

    The request was approved by the Military Committee of the Security Cabinet of Ministers of India (Cabinet Committee on Security, CCS), which is the highest government body responsible for the procurement of foreign weapons. In India, the Navy noted that the machines, each of which is able to accompany up to four aircraft and ground targets, will increase the fleet to detect possible threats to the sea and on land.

    The publication also notes that in 2003-2005 the Indian military has acquired nine similar machines. They are used on light aircraft carrier "Viraat", as well as two new warships built by using stealth technology. Пока это единственный факт поставок Ка-31 иностранным заказчикам.

    Note that these machines are also planned to use on aircraft carrier "Admiral Gorshkov (Vikramaditya), which is the modernization of the Russian factory Sevmash. In the near future, Russia and India are planning to agree on a new value of those works. The machines also will be based on the promising Indian aircraft carrier, the construction of which began in late February 2009.

    Helicopter radar Watch Ka-31 was adopted by the Soviet Navy in 1980. The machine is equipped with special radar with a rotating antenna. It can detect aircraft at a distance of 100-150 kilometers and surface ships at a distance of 250-285 kilometers, while in the air to 2.5 hours at an altitude of 3.5 kilometers.

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    The only Indian Navy aircraft carrier will return to the battle of the Navy
    19.08.2009

    The only aircraft carrier the Navy of India "Viraat", more than a year was in dry dock, will return to the battle of the Navy a month later after the repairs, which will allow it is in operation until 2015. This, according to Defense News, said senior official of the Indian Navy.

    According to the publication, naval leaders of the country wants to return the light aircraft carrier in the battle of the fleet as soon as possible because of a delay in the delivery of the aircraft carrier "Vikramaditya," which is currently undergoing modernization in Russia at "Sevmash. In the Russian Navy ship has been known for heavy aircraft cruiser "Admiral Gorshkov".

    Source Defense News also reported that the military expect to receive up to 2015 as "Vikramadityu" and the first aircraft carrier of Indian design, which was founded in late February 2009.

    As a result, the repair and modernization of the public shipyard kochi "Viraat" was equipped with new fire control system, navigation equipment and other elements. Marine air defense complexes "Chestnut" has been sent for repairs in Russia, and, besides, the carrier has received additional armament - the Israeli Barak anti-aircraft complexes and anti-ship cruise missiles BraMos "Russian-Indian development.

    Recall that "Viraat" in 1959 was composed of the Royal Navy of Great Britain and was known as the aircraft carrier Hermes. India has acquired it in 1989. Total displacement ship is 28,700 tons, speed - up to 28 knots. Aviagruppa may comprise up to 30 aircraft.

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    Post  Russian Patriot Thu Sep 17, 2009 5:20 am

    Russia to equip four Indian subs with new cruise missiles

    RIA Novosti

    15:32 16/09/2009 MOSCOW, September 16 (RIA Novosti) - Russia's Zvezdochka shipyard said on Wednesday it will install Club-S cruise missile systems on four Kilo class diesel submarines in service with the Indian navy in the next five years.

    Russia has built ten Kilo class submarines for India. Only two of them — the INS Sindhugosh and INS Sindhuvijay — have reportedly been equipped with the Club-S (SS-N-27) cruise missiles to date.

    "The new missile system will be installed on the INS Sindhuratna, INS Sindhuraj, INS Sindhushastra, and INS Sindhuvir. The retrofit will be carried out at Indian shipyards," the shipyard in northern Russia said in a statement.

    "Zvezdochka will finish this work in the next five years," the statement said.

    The Club-S subsonic cruise missile is designed for launch from a 533 mm torpedo tube, or a vertical launch tube. It has a range of 160 nautical miles (about 300 km). It uses an ARGS-54 active radar seeker and Glonass satellite and inertial guidance.

    In addition, Zvezdochka is getting ready to overhaul another Indian Kilo class submarine — the INS Sindhurakshak under a deal which is expected to be signed in spring 2010.

    "The submarine will be delivered to Severodvinsk in June 2010," the shipyard said.

    Russia agreed in 2001 to upgrade all 10 Indian Kilo class submarines and has previously overhauled four subs at the Zvezdochka shipyard.

    The upgrade program involves a complete overhaul of the submarines, including their hull structures, as well as improved control systems, sonar, electronic warfare systems, and an integrated weapon control system. The upgrades are reported to be costing about $80 million.

    Russia's Kilo-class diesel-electric submarines have gained a reputation as extremely quiet boats, and have been purchased by China, India, Iran, Poland, Romania and Algeria.



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    Post  Admin Thu Sep 17, 2009 1:15 pm

    Great combat capability... hope they get land attack version as well.
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    Post  IBRIS Thu Oct 08, 2009 4:17 am

    Video: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c85_1254930186
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    Post  Russian Patriot Fri Oct 09, 2009 6:24 am

    India gives names to 3 frigates built by Russia
    RIA Novosti

    14:34 07/10/2009 KALININGRAD, October 7 (RIA Novosti) - Three frigates being built at the Yantar shipyard in Russia's Baltic exclave of Kaliningrad for the Indian navy have been named by the Indian president, a shipyard spokesman said on Wednesday.

    Russia is building three Project 11356 modified Krivak III class (also known as Talwar class) guided missile frigates for the Indian Navy under a $1.6 billion contract signed in July, 2006.

    "Three frigates for the Indian navy, which are being built at our shipyard, have been given names - the Teg [Saber], the Tarkash [Quiver], and the Trikand [Bow]. Indian President Pratibha Patil has personally named the ships," Sergei Mikhailov said.

    "All three hulls have been completed... The first frigate in the series is expected to float out in October. The shipyard should be able to deliver all three vessels to the customer in 2011-2012," the official said.

    Yantar's director Igor Orlov earlier said the shipyard had previously taken out a $110 million loan from Russian national development bank Vnesheconombank (VEB) but has now been forced to seek an additional $60 million loan due to "financial constraints."

    The Talwar class frigate has deadweight of 4,000 metric tons and a speed of 30 knots, and is capable of accomplishing a wide range of maritime missions, primarily hunting down and destroying large surface ships and submarines.

    Russia has previously built three Talwar class frigates for India - INS Talwar (Sword), INS Trishul (Trident), and INS Tabar (Axe).

    All of the new frigates will be armed with eight BrahMos supersonic cruise missiles rather than 3M-54E Klub-N anti-ship missiles, which were installed on previous frigates.

    They will be also equipped with a 100-mm gun, a Shtil air defense system, two Kashtan air defense gun/missile systems, two twin 533-mm torpedo tubes, and an anti-submarine warfare helicopter.


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    Post  Viktor Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:45 pm

    Hopefully after this another 3 of the same class will be build for India.
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    Post  rkt86 Tue Feb 16, 2010 2:15 am

    It Feels so nice to see a nuclear sub in indian nevy Very Happy
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    Post  rkt86 Thu Mar 04, 2010 12:22 pm

    MoD may sell aircraft carrier to India to limit cuts

    Sale would leave Royal Navy with just one replacement

    * Tim Webb
    * The Observer, Sunday 15 November 2009


    One of Britain's new £2bn aircraft carriers could be sold off under cost-cutting plans being considered by the Ministry of Defence. India has lodged a firm expression of interest, the Observer has learned.

    The sale of one of the two 65,000-tonne vessels would leave the Royal Navy with a single carrier and could force Britain to borrow from the French fleet, which itself has only one carrier and is reluctant to build more. Last summer the French president, Nicolas Sarkozy, proposed to Gordon Brown that the two navies co-ordinate maintenance and refitting so that one was at sea at all times.

    According to senior defence sources, Whitehall officials are examining the feasibility of a sale as part of the strategic defence review that will start early next year and is expected to result in savage cuts.

    The carrier programme has already been delayed by two years to push back spending commitments, which itself will end up costing the taxpayer more in the long run. BAE Systems began work in July on HMS Queen Elizabeth, which is due to come into service in 2016. Preparatory work on the Prince of Wales, due for launch in 2018, has also started. The two carriers will replace the ageing Invincible class and are three times the size.

    There were fears that the government could scrap one altogether. But it is understood that the financial penalties would be prohibitive. About 10,000 jobs in Portsmouth, Barrow-in-Furness, Fife and Glasgow depend on the orders.



    The two-island STOVL variant proposed by the Alliance industry team. The 70t-load deck-edge aircraft lift between the islands is in the lowered position. An AMS S1850 3D air search radar is mounted on the forward island. A BAE Sampson targeting radar is on the aft FLYCO island. A crane for lifting downed aircraft is installed to the starboard side of the FLYCO island.[b]
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    Post  Admin Sat Mar 06, 2010 12:18 am

    UK MoD debunked that last month. Prince of Wales will be converted to a helo and troop carrier to replace HMS Ocean.
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    Post  rkt86 Tue Mar 23, 2010 11:15 pm

    Vladimir79 wrote:UK MoD debunked that last month. Prince of Wales will be converted to a helo and troop carrier to replace HMS Ocean.


    thanx mate for update..sorry cant find much time...for info... tongue
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    Post  Russian Patriot Sun May 02, 2010 8:20 am

    Indian Navy commissions first indigenous 'stealth' frigate

    RIA Novosti

    29/04/201020:02

    NEW DELHI, April 29 (RIA Novosti) - The Indian Navy on Thursday commissioned the INS Shivalik, the first of three new indigenous stealth frigates, the Defense Ministry said.

    The 6,200-ton, 142.5 by 16.9 meter frigate has low radar visibility. Special aerodynamics, as well as the equipment and materials used in building the warship makes it very difficult to monitor its movements.

    It has a range of 5,000 nautical miles at cruising speed of 18 knots and a crew of 257, including 35 officers.

    Speaking at an official ceremony, Defense Minister A K Antony said there had been a distinct shift in country's policy from a "Buyer's Navy to a Builder's Navy."

    "We must continue with our efforts to transform and modernize our shipyards, so that they can not only meet the domestic demands but also achieve latest international standards in quality construction," he said.

    He said India's long coastline and ever expanding exclusive economic zone made it imperative to defend land and sea lanes.

    The INS Shivalik is the first in the series, the other two being the Satpura and the Sahyadiri. The Navy has said Shivalik-class frigates will be its mainstay warships in the first half of the 21st century.

    Apart from India, only the U.S., Russia, the U.K., France, Sweden, Japan, Italy and China have the capability to build stealth warships of this size and class.

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    Post  Russian Patriot Sun May 02, 2010 8:28 am

    Indian Navy commissions first indigenous 'stealth' frigate

    RIA Novosti

    29/04/201020:02

    NEW DELHI, April 29 (RIA Novosti) - The Indian Navy on Thursday commissioned the INS Shivalik, the first of three new indigenous stealth frigates, the Defense Ministry said.

    The 6,200-ton, 142.5 by 16.9 meter frigate has low radar visibility. Special aerodynamics, as well as the equipment and materials used in building the warship makes it very difficult to monitor its movements.

    It has a range of 5,000 nautical miles at cruising speed of 18 knots and a crew of 257, including 35 officers.

    Speaking at an official ceremony, Defense Minister A K Antony said there had been a distinct shift in country's policy from a "Buyer's Navy to a Builder's Navy."

    "We must continue with our efforts to transform and modernize our shipyards, so that they can not only meet the domestic demands but also achieve latest international standards in quality construction," he said.

    He said India's long coastline and ever expanding exclusive economic zone made it imperative to defend land and sea lanes.

    The INS Shivalik is the first in the series, the other two being the Satpura and the Sahyadiri. The Navy has said Shivalik-class frigates will be its mainstay warships in the first half of the 21st century.

    Apart from India, only the U.S., Russia, the U.K., France, Sweden, Japan, Italy and China have the capability to build stealth warships of this size and class.

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    Post  Russian Patriot Tue Jul 13, 2010 9:00 am

    India allocates $11 bln to build six new submarines - paper

    RIA Novosti

    11:52 11/07/2010

    NEW DELHI, July 11 (RIA Novosti) - India's Defense Acquisitions Council has approved the allocation of over 500 billion rupees ($11 billion) for the construction of six new-generation diesel-electric submarines for the Indian Navy in a record military deal, The Times of India reported on Sunday.

    This amount exceeds the $9 billion allocated by the Indian government for the purchase of 126 multi-role fighters from abroad for the Indian Air Force, the paper said.

    Three of the six submarines will be constructed at Mazagon Docks in Mumbai and one at Hindustan Shipyard Ltd in Visakhapatnam, with the help of a foreign contractor. The other two submarines will either be imported from abroad or constructed at a private shipyard in India, the paper said.

    Under the program called Project-75 India (P-75I), apart from stealth, land-attack capability and the ability to incorporate futuristic technologies, all the six new submarines will be equipped with air-independent propulsion (AIP) systems to boost their operational capabilities, the paper said.

    Conventional diesel-electric submarines have to surface every few days to get oxygen to recharge their batteries. With AIP systems, they can stay submerged for much longer periods, the paper said.

    Invitations to a tender for a foreign contractor are expected to be sent to Russia's Rosoboronexport, France's DCNS/Armaris, Germany's HDW and Spain's Navantia, the paper said.

    "Navy has reasons to be worried. By 2015 or so, it will be left with just half of its present fleet of 15 ageing diesel-electric submarines - 10 Russian Kilo-class, four German HDW and one Foxtrot," the paper said.

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    Post  Viktor Fri Jan 21, 2011 10:23 pm

    Whats up with Amour/950/1650 class?

    Is it still in design or why arent they selling?
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    Post  Admin Fri Jan 21, 2011 10:39 pm

    Viktor wrote:Whats up with Amour/950/1650 class?

    Is it still in design or why arent they selling?

    Man ,Lada is still stuck in testing. Indians are skipping it and just buying more Scorpenes. They come with AIP or in Brasil's case, even make it nuclear.
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    Post  Austin Fri Mar 25, 2011 4:50 pm

    Inside a Russian Kilo of the Indian Navy , Nice video

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    Post  GarryB Mon Mar 28, 2011 2:42 pm

    Great vid... thanks for posting.

    It is hard to imagine operating such a vessel in the warm waters of the Indian Ocean... I would expect that dry suit would be more comfortable in northern waters where it is colder... but not that much more comfortable...

    With the submarine equivalent of the USUK vertical launch tubes even a Kilo class will become a potent SSG I suppose. The more so in Russian service because they could load Kh-102 and Kh-101 equivalent missiles for very long range land attack performance.

    Of course I hope their Lada class get its problems ironed out quickly as it will likely replace Kilo class subs in Russian service... and likely the Indian Navy might show some interest in them too.
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    Post  Austin Mon Mar 28, 2011 2:49 pm

    [quote="GarryB"]Great vid... thanks for posting.

    It is hard to imagine operating such a vessel in the warm waters of the Indian Ocean... I would expect that dry suit would be more comfortable in northern waters where it is colder... but not that much more comfortable...

    Oh yes you bet we faced lot of problem with Kilo , I met a recently retired Naval Chief of IN and he mentioned to me in the tropical climate and warmer water of Arabian sea the Kilo batter would just knock off much faster and they had to replace the russian battery with german technology based Indian built one.

    Well the interesting part was he told me we got our 6 - 8 kilos almost free from Soviet Union , they gave us 20 years of credit with very nominal interest rates and indian finance ministry calculated it to be virtually free , need less to mention we did not gave them dollars but bartered leather products , tea , oil etc Smile

    With the submarine equivalent of the USUK vertical launch tubes even a Kilo class will become a potent SSG I suppose. The more so in Russian service because they could load Kh-102 and Kh-101 equivalent missiles for very long range land attack performance.

    Oh with Klub/Kilo combination the Admiral mentioned it was kick ass ( he did not used that word but lethal , the same admiral was instrumental in integrating Kilo with Klub which he mentioned the Russian did it in mere 6 months.)

    Of course I hope their Lada class get its problems ironed out quickly as it will likely replace Kilo class subs in Russian service... and likely the Indian Navy might show some interest in them too.

    I think Lada may get cancelled and no more then 3 will be built , they may move to new design with AIP propulsion
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    Post  GarryB Mon Mar 28, 2011 3:30 pm

    I think Lada may get cancelled and no more then 3 will be built , they may move to new design with AIP propulsion

    Wouldn't it make more sense to put a new AIP into the Lada design?

    From what I have heard the only problem seems to be with the Sonar and it was being sorted.

    Personally I think AIPs are a bit over rated and that one of those nuclear batteries they designed for their satellites and space exploration would be much more useful in conventional subs than AIPs.

    Oh with Klub/Kilo combination the Admiral mentioned it was kick ass ( he
    did not used that word but lethal , the same admiral was instrumental
    in integrating Kilo with Klub which he mentioned the Russian did it in
    mere 6 months.)

    An excellent system, both for export, and even more so for domestic use as a wider range of missiles can be used, and the export missiles can be used in their domestic form with longer ranges.
    I would assume that if the Kh-101/2 can be used then the Kh-555 could be deployed too... I mean if the launcher can handle Brahmos and Oniks and Yakhont then a little missile like Kh-555 shouldn't be a problem at all.
    I would think the decline of the Russian navy in terms of platforms justifies the return of nuclear armed cruise missiles...
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    Post  Austin Thu Mar 31, 2011 3:41 pm

    GarryB wrote:Wouldn't it make more sense to put a new AIP into the Lada design?

    From what I have heard the only problem seems to be with the Sonar and it was being sorted.

    Probably they could but the problem with Lada seems to be more serious then what it looks upfront , the lead boat is like nearly 5 years now and its still not fully operational with the Navy.

    If they are designing a boat with AIP in built , then they might as well design a new sub as well based on Lada and Kilo experience and avoiding past mistakes.

    Personally I think AIPs are a bit over rated and that one of those nuclear batteries they designed for their satellites and space exploration would be much more useful in conventional subs than AIPs.

    AIP too has its own quirks but right now its the most viable option , I am not sure if tea kettle reactor is a viable option right now and how feseable it will be to export it widely compared to AIP equipped ships and how expensive it would be to buy a new sub with such reactor and maintain over its life time.
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    Post  GarryB Fri Apr 01, 2011 7:55 am


    Probably they could but the problem with Lada seems to be more
    serious then what it looks upfront , the lead boat is like nearly 5
    years now and its still not fully operational with the Navy.

    The military has really only actually been spending money in the last 2 years or so, and so I don't think 5 years is too long under the circumstances... this is a new design after all, not series production.

    From what I can tell most AIP are expensive anyway, so a small nuclear power generator that can be used to keep the sub working (ie heat or cooling oxygen production and CO2 scrubbing) and trickle charge the batteries so that after a period of hiding submerged she doesn't need to surface, but can sail away underwater at low speed and snorkel a week or two later miles from there to fully charge up the batteries for high speed running would be much better. Fuel cells require liquid oxygen storage... which in many ways is actually worse than HTP regarding safety.

    If they are designing a boat with AIP in built , then they might as well
    design a new sub as well based on Lada and Kilo experience and avoiding
    past mistakes.

    It all depends on what the problems are of course... no need to throw the baby out with the bath water.

    AIP too has its own quirks but right now its the most viable option , I
    am not sure if tea kettle reactor is a viable option right now and how
    feseable it will be to export it widely compared to AIP equipped ships
    and how expensive it would be to buy a new sub with such reactor and
    maintain over its life time.

    Maintain? These are power supplies used in deep space probes or satellites in orbits that mean they don't get continuous sunlight for solar panels. The Navies Legenda satellites used them to power the space based radars for Granit et al. They are about 4m long and 1m height and 1m depth and they simply generate a supply of electricity for about 13 years. It could be treated like a battery.
    For export subs they can let the customer decide whether they want a German AIP or something else.
    For India... they can keep the nuclear power plant... the Charlie class leased to India and the Nerpa class are both nuclear.
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    Post  f-insas Sat Aug 20, 2011 2:55 pm

    what will be the range of these cruise missiles ,and besides what difference it will have with the brahmos missile
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    Post  GarryB Sat Aug 20, 2011 3:03 pm

    The max range is 300km and they are low and slow flying missiles.

    Compared to Brahmos they are smaller, lighter, with a similar range, with a 400kg payload but a lot less kinetic energy on impact as they are much slower.

    There is however a family member of the Sizzler that has a multi stage missile where the first stage is a solid rocket booster that launches the missile into the air where a subsonic jet engine starts up and propels the missile at high subsonic speed at very low altitude for about 200km and then the last stage of the missile fires with a solid rocket with the seeker and warhead accelerates to about mach 3 for the last 30-40km to impact with the target.

    It has the benefit of relatively long range and stealth by flying low without a huge IR signature, and then for the last phase of the attack where it would be most vulnerable it accelerates to very high speed to skip through the defences and hit the target.

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