Pantsir-S1 News Thread:

Mindstorm wrote:As the thing has been spreaded on Internet it appeared as the poor Виктор Мураховский had personally posted this non-sense on its Facebook page and subsequently had canceled its post, under the pressure from some hidden military power that want to prevent free journalists to criticize domestic products  

Flight tests of the rocket for the new version of the "Shell" are planning to complete before the end of the year

Pantsir-SMoscow. December 2nd. INTERFAX-AVN - Flight tests of the rocket for the new version of the Pantsir anti-aircraft missile and cannon complex, designed to combat drones, are scheduled to be completed by January, follows from materials posted on the public procurement website.
The portal has a tender for “conducting flight tests of the 57E6M-E anti-aircraft missile of the Pantsir-S1M complex. The work must be completed before the end of 2018.
Earlier, the deputy general director of the NPO High-precision Complex for foreign economic activity told Interfax that the company they are developing a new version of the Pantsir complex, designed to combat drones. According to him, the new modification of the complex will be called Pantsir-S1M,
The materials on the state procurement website state that the acceptance tests of the prototype of the Pantsir-S1M complex are planned to be completed by December 2019.
Acceptance tests of products, according to state standards, are carried out to assess certain technical requirements for product characteristics, to check and confirm the compliance of a prototype with the requirements of a technical task under conditions as close as possible to the conditions of actual operation.
During the year, the Russian Ministry of Defense reported 10 attacks on Russian military facilities in Syria using UAVs. According to the military department, all of them were successfully reflected, including with the help of the Pantsir-S complex.
The Pantsir anti-aircraft missile and cannon complex is intended for short-range protection of civilian and military facilities from all modern and promising means of air attack in any climatic and radio-electronic environment day and night. The complex can protect the defended object from ground and surface threats. The range of the complex is 20 km.

Rocket vs drones
Complex "Pantsir-S" will be able to more effectively shoot down drones

The Ministry of Defense has announced a tender to conduct flight tests of the 57E6M-E anti-aircraft guided missile of the Pantsir-S1M air defense system. Work on this project is scheduled to be completed in the near future, and the military will be given another year to test and transfer the new ammunition to the customer.
“Pantsiri” have already managed to establish themselves as a fairly effective means of fighting air targets. The short-range air defense complex is armed with 12 57E6M-E missiles and 1,400 projectiles to these installations. In addition, it is worth a pair of double-barreled rapid-fire guns of 30 mm caliber. Such a serious anti-aircraft arsenal makes it possible, in any weather, day and night, to destroy all modern and prospective means of air attack, which are at a distance of up to 20 kilometers and altitudes up to 15 km.

“Pantsir” managed to confirm its excellent fighting qualities in Syria, where the complexes cover our Khmeimim airbase and the positions of the S-400 anti-aircraft missile systems. It is known that, including with the help of rocket-cannon “Pantsirey”, the Russian military this year successfully repulsed ten attacks of reconnaissance and strike drones of terrorists. It is enough to recall how, on the night of January 5, the militants sent 13 hand-made aircraft-type drone to our airbase at once. Six of them were destroyed using electronic warfare, the remaining seven - with the Pantsir-S complex. There were reports that the calculations of this complex have repeatedly hit in Syria and various missiles. It is characteristic that this fact is confirmed even by American experts. And in the United States, National Interest magazine called

According to the publication, there is no such effective short-range air defense system as in Russia in the United States. The magazine wrote that the Russian "Armor" serves as the final line of defense, meets low-flying aircraft and helicopters, missiles, drones, and even rocket artillery. The following conclusion followed: this capability of the Pantsyri is of decisive importance today, at the time of the wide spread of rocket weapons.

Now this modern Russian self-propelled anti-aircraft gun will also receive a special missile against drones. Earlier, Deputy Director General of NPO High-Precision Complexes, Sergei Mikhailov, told Interfax-AVN that with its adoption, the range of the Armor will increase from 20 to 30 km.

But the most important thing is that this anti-aircraft missile system, equipped with powerful phased antenna arrays, will not only be able to quickly detect and shoot down large air targets, such as airplanes and helicopters, but to hit even very small objects — like a quadcopter or a homemade drone.

Hole wrote:There will be also a new version called Pantsir-SM-SV (for Ground Forces).

magnumcromagnon wrote:

Hole wrote:There will be also a new version called Pantsir-SM-SV (for Ground Forces).

You supposed it's a tracked model, a proper Tunguska replacement?

GarryB wrote:

BTW 57mm guns of specialized AAD vehicles will do better job than Pantsirs previous 4x30mm ones

I don't think they could fit a 57mm gun and missiles on a vehicle so they will likely split the guns and missiles, with the gun vehicle carrying optical systems and only basic radar for tracking their shells, while the missile vehicle will have all the radars and optronics but a datalink would allow automated control and data sharing.

hole wrote:The designation would probably be Pantsir-S3, and the CG models shows that it will be double the missiles and no guns. There saying the new missiles could be 45-60km range, which isn't suprising as the new Buk systems are sliding in the range/sphere of the old S-300PS systems and probably replacing it. There might be a separate vehicle with Derivation 57mm included in the batteries/formations.

Altitude 35 km    - phuque !!! is this against ballistic missiles?! Altitude to 35 kilometers?!!!!!!        

magnumcromagnon wrote: Don't forget that the Baikal-M command post allows ATGM's like Vikhr and Kornet-M to engage cruise missiles.

GarryB wrote:

well, they already did split with Derivatsya PVO 57mm. It has electroptical 360 deg surveillance so can remain undetected or use external radars. Of course this doesnt have be on this chassis, though such a gun on Typhoon with high placed gravity center doenst seem to be a good idea in rough terrain.

Well the point is that if this is just a turret, you could mount it on any of the new vehicle platforms... they are supposed to share target information, so previously in the Soviet armoured force where a BMP-2 regiment might get a MANPAD missile gripstock per BMP-2 vehicle plus a couple of missiles to improve air defence capability, having the local air defence unit using their radar and sensors to detect targets could hand those targets off to nearby IFVs armed with 57mm guns equipped with airburst ammo and engage targets too.

GB wrote:

Altitude 35 km    - phuque !!! is this against ballistic missiles?! Altitude to 35 kilometers?!!!!!!

NATO kept above MANPADS altitude in Kosovo... not so above any ground protected by the new Pantsir...

GB wrote:

FIGHTING MACHINE WITH DETECTION STATION
Control system radar and electro-optical tracking systems
Number missile defense systems on a combat vehicle 12


Combat vehicles ECO (electro-optical tracking systems) module
The number of missiles on combat vehicle 24

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Of course optical systems have ballooned enormously in performance without being excessively expensive, so for many targets they will be enough and missile performance and price make these attractive systems once they are bought because low cost missiles means using them it not too expensive. (compared with something like Javelin where the missiles are expensive).

We see the missile TEL with 24 missiles... imagine that loaded with the mini missiles... 24 x 4 missiles... 96 missiles per vehicle for small targets... we also see the TELAR with 12 missiles and guns and radar... and we can mentally add the gun platform with the 57mm gun that has already been shown with a small ranging radar and possibly fuse setter, but primarily with optical systems like the missile TEL.