Pantsir-S1 News Thread:

unless we are talking about 30km shore bombardment. 70km ammo is not really cheaper then Hermes missile.

Hermes =/= Pantsir AAM.

Price? Ramjet 152km wont be cheap either same class Id say. Just Hermes is 2x range. Last but not least it c an also work in salvos but 152mm cannot.

Best option would be if the Hermes fits into the magazine of the Pantsir. You could fit smaller boats (Osa-size) with a Pantsir mount and put in a mix of Pantsir and Hermes missiles. Good air defence + capability to attack sea/land targets. Like the old SM-1 launcher of the Perry class.

$1,000? unlikely, in Russia it can be cheaper but not 800 times:

Moscow design Bureau "Compass" — one of the major Russian developers of navigation for the Armed forces — successfully tested navigation GLONASS module for artillery ammunition.

The new module created in the framework of the program "Dynamics", can be installed on new shells, and on pre-existing, told "Izvestia" a source in the defense Ministry.

Module development "Compass" can be screwed to the head of the artillery shells of 152 mm caliber and above, a regular place of the fuse. It includes a combined fuse, receiver of signals of GLONASS and control surfaces — aerodynamic control surfaces, which are arranged in flight and adjust the trajectory of the projectile, — said the interlocutor of "Izvestia".

Unlike shells controlled by a laser beam, the projectile with the module "Dynamics" does not depend on weather conditions and requires no external illumination of target, which allows you to quickly hit point targets with known coordinates. Circular error probable modernized so the projectile does not exceed 10 m, whereas for conventional 152-mm shells at long range shooting, it may reach 100 m and more.

The Russian version of the modernization of ammunition allows you to make bombs with satellite guidance is much cheaper than the 155-mm projectile American Excalibur is guided by GPS. This missile, equipped with a gas generator and built-in wheels, is worth more than $80 thousand is Expected that a larger series, its price must fall to $50 thousand Domestic module which allows to upgrade the existing warehouse shells, will cost slightly more than $1 thousand, explained "Izvestia" a source in the military-industrial complex.

Module can be used for old shells and new, but in any case it will be much cheaper than the American product. Russian scientists were able to achieve sustainable GLONASS signal for rotating the projectile, while the American "Excalibur" must stop its rotation to get a navigation signal. This greatly complicates and increases the cost of its construction, — said the interlocutor of the newspaper.

According to the chief editor of the specialized magazine "Arsenal" Victor Murakhovski, the new Russian design — a real revolution in artillery.

— With the new shell can be reused to reduce the consumption of ammunition. When firing conventional shells to a platoon strong point to 1.8 thousand have shells, and then take ten times less. The accuracy of the modernized shells does not fall with distance — it will be the same regardless of whether we shoot for 5 km or 50 km away. This allows you to instantly hit any target, the main thing — to know their coordinates, which can be obtained from reconnaissance drones and other sources — said the expert.

Murakhovski also noted that the low price of the module allows you to quickly equip the artillery units a large number of guided missiles, with no additional upgrades guns themselves is not required.

However, the head of the military forecasting Center Anatoly Tsyganok said that for the effective use of such shells in the army lacks precision targeting.

In — depth exploration solves other problems, and none of its guidance on long-range artillery will not detract. Satellite controls all the battlefield and also will not re-tune for each weapon, — said Tsyganok.

In his opinion, to direct precision missiles have unmanned spy planes, which in the Russian army yet.

precisely same as ramjet 152mm projectiles wont replace good old unguided/unpowered ones

I rather doubt the 70km range Hermes is ramjet powered... more likely it probably has a very aerodynamic shape and reduced warhead size to increase flight range... probably with base bleed as well.

#800,l000 per ramjet projectile in salvos? whoa

Vladimir79 wrote:[]

It certainly isn't too expensive.  It is one of the most cost effective solutions on the market.  The problem is effectiveness.  Israel pretty much made it a laughing stock by destroying them with missiles the Pantsir was designed to shoot down. The primary buyers of the weapon system are Arab Republics that hate Israel, to see them take out their new toys so easily is disconcerting to say the least.  

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Troubled only on the western propaganda
Pantsir showed outstanding results in Syria
And the lost units were only destroyed while reloading or by overwhelm
It managed to shoot down very small-fast moving objects

The problem in Syria that Pantsir is treated like a regional system

The system is taking the regional tasks along with the Buk, due to the lack of modern long-range systems

But the only problem with the Pantsir is the intense need for maintenance
But every modern Russian system needs to be maintained regularly, unlike the rugged Soviet products

They can't stop drones, they can't stop glide bombs and they cant stop cruise missiles.