Russia's reaction in case of US/West attack to Syria

US is already buying 10 Be-200s and helicopters to placate us for Afghanistan. This move could hamper the ship reaching Syria since it won't be able to replenish in any EU port. Arrangements can be made for at-sea refueling but it is a major hassle finding someone that isn't an EU ship.

I was watching hours worth of Syria fighting last night... so much burning armour, especially tanks. There seems to be an endless supply of RPGs and even Metis ATGMs. The IEDs are slaughtering them.

Russian Arms Ship Offloads Syria Helicopters

A Russian cargo ship carrying a batch of Mi-25 attack helicopters and air defense systems for Syria has offloaded the aircraft in the Russian port of Baltiysk in the Kaliningrad region, a security source said on Friday.

"The ship has unloaded," the source said. "These helicopters are now on the shore. A decision from Rosoboronexport on what to do with them is expected shortly."

The helicopters, which were originally overhauled at the 150th aircraft repair plant in Russia's exclave of Kaliningrad, have been at the center of a diplomatic row between Russia and the West.

U.S Secretary of State Hillary Clinton accused Russia in June of supplying helicopter gunships to Damascus which could be used to massacre civilian demonstrators in the ongoing insurrection in the country. Russia said it was fulfilling a contract previously signed long ago for repair of the aircraft and denied they could be used for attacking civilians.

Femco, the shipping agent which owns the ship, the Alaed, previously said the documentation accompanying the cargo did not contain any data linking it to Syria.

The Alaed originally set sail from Baltiysk in June, allegedly carrying three Mi-25s and some air defense equipment. The ship turned back to Russia later that month, after its insurance cover was suspended by its British insurer, Standard Club. It later turned back and entered the port of Murmansk, and was later re-flagged as a Russian registered vessel.

The U.S. Congress voted to break off all contacts with Russia's state arms corporation Rosoboronexport on Thursday over concerns about Russia continuing to supply arms to Syria. Russia has maintained it is only fulfilling contracts signed before the current wave of unrest in Syria, and said last week it will not supply a batch of Yak-130 advanced jet trainers to Damascus.

http://en.rian.ru/russia/20120720/174698082.html

Well if the US has already started to punish Russia for its military contracts with Syria, then it should start to punish the US for secretly supplying arms to the terrorists in Syria and supporting an insurrection.

GarryB wrote:Well if the US has already started to punish Russia for its military contracts with Syria, then it should start to punish the US for secretly supplying arms to the terrorists in Syria and supporting an insurrection.

More info :

The Russian arms ship at the center of a diplomatic row between Russia and the West is loading up with a new unknown cargo at the St. Petersburg port, according to a bulletin posted on the port’s website on Tuesday.

The Alaed docked at St. Petersburg on Friday after offloading Mi-25 helicopters in the Russian port of Baltiysk in the Kaliningrad region

There has been no word from the ship’s owner, Femco, about the nature of the new cargo.

Femco previously said the documentation accompanying the cargo did not contain any data linking it to Syria.

The Alaed originally set sail from Baltiysk in June, reportedly carrying three Mi-25s and some air defense systems. The ship turned back to Russia later that month, after its insurance cover was suspended by its British insurer, Standard Club. It later turned back and entered the port of Murmansk, and was later re-flagged as a Russian registered vessel.

A Defense Ministry spokesman said on Tuesday warships from Russia’s Baltic and Northern Fleets have passed through the Strait of Gibraltar and entered the Mediterranean, where they will team up with Black Sea Fleet ships for an exercise.

According to some media reports, in the course of the exercise they may call at the Syrian port of Tartus.

Vyacheslav Dzirkaln, deputy head of Russia's military technical cooperation agency, said recently Russian warships will be sent to defend Russian merchant shipping in the event of a blockade due to the situation in Syria.

The U.S. Congress voted to break off all contacts with Russia's state arms corporation Rosoboronexport on Thursday over concerns about Russia continuing to supply arms to Syria. Russia has maintained it is only fulfilling contracts signed before the current wave of unrest in Syria, and said last week it will not supply a batch of Yak-130 advanced jet trainers to Damascus.

http://en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20120724/174757466.html

Russia has delivered the Iskander to Syria in response to NATO plans for Patriots in Turkey:

http://www.wnd.com/2012/12/russia-arms-syria-with-powerful-ballistic-missiles/

http://www.worldtribune.com/2011/12/21/russia-sent-advanced-rockets-to-syria-due-to-threats-from-turkey/

The second one has an interesting line at the end:

“There will be strict supervision over the latest weapons sent by Russia to make sure they are not used to begin a regional conflict,” the source said.

Does that mean that they aren't going to be used to shoot at Israel just because, well, Israel? Or that they won't be targeting rebels/insurgents, as that's what the West is falling all over itself about and considering action over (i.e. shooting them in the conflict could finally get the West involved, ergo they'd be used to begin a regional conflict)?

Seems to me much ado about nothing on all sides. Turkey wants NATO SAM/ATBM protection, big deal. They were in the market for a strategic SAM anyway, so had this occurred, say, two years from now, Turkey would have its own SAM systems to deploy. Besides, if it's PAC-3 systems that deploy, to have the greater ATBM capability, the engagement range isn't really that impressive against aircraft. The Buk-M2E is in the same neighborhood in terms of range. Is this an example of butthurt over the forthcoming SAM decision?

Maybe this is a very sly marketing job. Send the weapons to Syria, let them show how accurate they are in combat, and get more export orders.

Or, maybe this actually stabilzies the situation somewhat. Being able to shoot these highly accurate weapons at rebels/insurgents (and actually make headway in defeating them) rather than the hilariously useless SCUD or its DPRK knockoffs would significantly reduce collateral damage and perhaps alleviate the need to break out the WMD warheads since, you know, the SRBM force as previously constituted couldn't be counted on to hit anything except a huge city. Which is, of course, what you once again get by relying on comparatively ancient technology for too long. At least Syria seems to be learning the technological lessons demonstrated since 1991. Can't really say the same about Iran or the DPRK!

This info could be true but I would still wait for more official confirmation.

Western newspapers are for to long trying to

1. Distort the truth by all means and ways possible
2. Portray Assad as lunatic
3. Portray as terrorist are wining by reporting only their stories and successes but none of Syrian Army
4. Showing that in all that mess hyping insignificant situation throw out all media all is doomed and Assad will have to resort to chemical
weapons
5. Portray Putin as a sole (interesting how China is not mentioned but equal supports Syria) supporter of "terrorist" Assad who has nothing
on his mind but to kill his own civilians with WMD and other he could think of
6. And because Assad has no other option to stay on power (disregard the democratic elections 70% + people voted and REAL oposition exists)
as free Syrian protesters and unarmed are gaining ground will have to resort to using WMD responsibility of the World is to stop that
lunatic maniac by bombing etc.

No matter what numerous "western" stories about situation in Syria where proven to be staged events and obvious lies to its readers no one seems to give a f....
Specially is interested that right after each and every one of the "Frends" of Syria meting takes place some Russian official words are being misunderstand and media hype goes on its rampage around the world with Russians trying to be heard.
Right before "Frends" of Syria takes place terrorist offenses begin, bomb trucks activate its deadly cargo etc on a much larger scale than on average ...

Well Im offtopic now and Im not ...

Syria has placed orders on Iskander / S-300 (five batteries) / MIG-31E / MIG-29M2 and other heavy weapons none of which will be delivered

before situation gets clearer. Iskander missiles along with S-300 is said by Russia will NOT be delivered long before conflict started and was not delivered.

As far Im I aware no S-300 (except for search radar 36D6) has managed to find its way to Syria much less Iskander, MIG-31E althrow there where all these years newspaper articles coming from Israel papers about Russia delivering S-300 divisions and regiments etc etc ...

On the other hand It could be that Russia got irked by Patriot deployment or some other thing and delivered Iskander but up until now Russia has only and always showed policy of piece and respect for Syrian people and its need to be heard. I dont think Russia will all the sudden completely abandon its way and practice weapon delivery policy.

I find the reports to be highly unlikely.

I've heard about plans to deliver these rockets not a fact of delivery. Once asked why they don't provide Arabic countries with the newest weapons Russians responded: they are not able to use older ones properly, what's the reason to send them even more sophisticated weapons?
If this statement is true or not judge on your own. I recon these rockets are still in Russia. That's it.

Pyrrus wrote:they are not able to use older ones properly, what's the reason to send them even more sophisticated weapons?

Except Syria has already taken delivery of the Bastion system armed with Yakhont, arguably far more advanced than any of the Soviet or DPRK SCUDs. Granted, two different types of systems, but one is clearly far more advanced than the other from a technological standpoint.

I wonder about the performance of Yakhont against Patriot batteries...

GarryB wrote:I wonder about the performance of Yakhont against Patriot batteries...

As I understood, a few months ago, I read an israeli website and they claimed that the Yakhont could easily defeat Patriots and Iron dome.
Do not forget that this missile is hypersonic, using a strong electronic environnement.
If you remember during Desert Storm, in spite of the hype about a so-called Raytheon success, a discret congress report, said that, in fact the Patriot intercepted ....0 Scud. Yes Zero.
Scud is a missile built and design in early 50's, you can easily realize what would be about the newly Yakhont with its high hyper-sonic performances.
The only russian weak point in weaponnery, is the lack of propaganda, and deficiencies in Marketing.
In technical point of view, Russia has nothing to envie US.

Do not forget that this missile is hypersonic, using a strong electronic environnement.

Yakhont is not hypersonic... it is a mach 2.5 missile at high altitude... slower at low altitude.

If you remember during Desert Storm, in spite of the hype about a so-called Raytheon success, a discret congress report, said that, in fact the Patriot intercepted ....0 Scud. Yes Zero.
Scud is a missile built and design in early 50's, you can easily realize what would be about the newly Yakhont with its high hyper-sonic performances.

The problem for Patriot with Scuds was fusing... Patriot is designed as an anti aircraft weapon so an explosion that rips through the body of a plane is sufficient. With the Scuds moving at mach 7 in a ballistic path this is not enough because by the time the Scuds get within range of the Patriots they are already falling with warheads at the nose and engine and fuel tanks to the middle and rear, so a body hit by Patriot could shred the middle and rear of the missile and the warhead will still hit its target... it doesn't need its engine or fuel tanks and it is already falling so a missile blowing holes in its rear make no difference.

During the second campaign with Patriot PAC-3 the Iraqis used low flying anti ship missiles to deliver explosives to target that were successful too as the PAC-3 is optimised for ballistic targets, so low flying subsonic missiles got through.

Low flying and fast Yakhont should also have a very good chance.

GarryB wrote:

Yakhont is not hypersonic... it is a mach 2.5 missile at high altitude... slower at low altitude.

Sorry I confused, between SSN-26, and SS-26.
With new russian designation is somewhere the mess, Yakhont, Iskander, Buk, Igla, Tor, Bullavia,S125, S300, S400, S500, Tungusha,...
In the past soviet designation was better SSC for cruise missile, SSN for naval, AS...for Air to surface, SAM for surface to air missile.

In fact about the so-called success of Shield, a few months ago, US-Israeli propaganda published figured about the last battle between Israel and Hamas. Even with figures full of lies, it was hard to hide the reality, and the result about Iron Dome-with US funds, and help, it is near the same as Patriot- was not shinning against primitive Kassam rockets.
Indeed, the Kassam rocket are at first a handwork weapon, this match with the first Katiushka, during the early 30's, if not the mid 20's.
You have the state of the arts shield with US help,- engineers, moneys, sophicated hardwares provided by US- produced in 2000's against an old rocket that date from the 20's.
As you can remember, some rockets could be intercepted as Israelis claimed, but when palestinians used more modern rockets provided like Fajr provided by Iran, they easily reached Knesset in Jerusalem, and obviously Tel Aviv, where the prime minister rushed to hide.

If a so-called shield is enable to protect Israel against primitive rockets, how could this shield protect against state of the arts Yakhont and its supersonic speed ?
My conclusion is : Presently, we have not any technology in the world able to intercept old and obviously modern missiles.

As I understood, a few months ago, I read an israeli website and they claimed that the Yakhont could easily defeat Patriots and Iron dome.

Check the following below below links.NONE of the LINKS RELATE TO S-300 WEAPON sales to SYRIA.


SOMETHING VERY fishy IS GOING ON.



U.S general on Russia cruise missile sales(No S-300 HERE)

U.S criticize Russia cruise missile sale(There is NO S-300)

U.S diplomats on Russia cruise missile sale Syria
All the articles are given by TOP U.S army generals and Diplomatic .
These articles are much reliable than jerusalem, some ria novosti, pressTV etc.

This is the crux .We dont know about the information about Russian weapon sales if we keep reading
 rian(ria novosti), presstv, some Israeli sites.
U.S russia have strategic know how and intelligence on weapon sales , so this information proves that there is no S-300
 weapon sales
occuring atleast till end of MAY 2013.

Actually the S-300 sales MOVIE SHOW STARTED from June 1st week so hence and after that Krenlin did compromise and "may be stopped"
teh S-300 sales or whatever.

There is NO ISKANDER IN THESE WEAPON SALES..!What is there is Yakhont..
Kremlin has not delivered Iskander but I guess Yakhont.

Do not forget that this missile is hypersonic, using a strong electronic environnement.

Well this missile is super sonic. But from here all the dark things start..
From here on everything is speculation.Please dont consider Yakhont of 1970..There is no use of that..


 This Yakhont can be fired in suburban, urban centres , dense traffic- population centres with pin point accuracy.
Forget about anti ship. This missile this is some thing "really different".
This yakhont missile is land attack version of Yakhont. Well I dont have any proof of that.But all the hue and cry created by U.S points to something else.


  

Iskander will not be delivered and it was never said to be delivered in the first place. 

Yakhont was delivered year or two ago and deliveries are still coming. 

S-300 will be delivered as it has been confirmed. Question is when. Reports say by autumn and will be operational by 2014.

That is it.

around S-300 a kind of game is going on. Syrian sources announce about their delivery, Russians are neither confirming nor denying. It seems someone wants to obtain some other goals. One is certain, the deal was signed, and now Russians have the problem, not with delivery but political one. According to the officials, Syrian specialists in Russia are being trained for S-200 system. Is it really true, difficult to say or check.

Here is the scenaris of the war in Syria. Xavier Moreau is military specialist, and most of his analysis, in the past revealed true.
He said that the cruise missiles strikes will be completly ineficient, as it was during the war in Yougoslavia. Except if the goal is slaughter civilians, in that case, US army is very very efficient.




Russian version
http://www.realpolitik.tv/2013/08/%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%8F-%D0%B8-%D0%BE%D0%BE%D0%BD-%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%B2-%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%BE/

French version
http://www.realpolitik.tv/2013/08/la-russie-et-lonu-contre-lotan/

I dare disagree. The intervention (if it takes place) will seriously hamper SAA movements around the country. Syrian air defence has no chances of repelling NATO attack, the best we could see is 4-5 downed aircraft.

As Sa'iqa wrote:I dare disagree. The intervention (if it takes place) will seriously hamper SAA movements around the country. Syrian air defence has no chances of repelling NATO attack, the best we could see is 4-5 downed aircraft.    

I don't know whether you are specialist, expert, or military professional, in anyway, Mr Moreau knew exactly what he say.
Take a look about the topics relating to S-300, if US, its western's allies and Israel were worry about the S-300, these missiles are really efficient, and able to inflict a severe blows to US.
I did not say that they forbide the syrian's sky to US aircrafts, but they caused a significant damages, if and only if they were used by high skills professionals.
In Syria, this is the case, moreover, they are at least 17.000 russians working in all areas, I repeat, working in all areas.
This war, if it takes place, it will open a new chapter in international relations, and this will be the end of US presence in Middle east, aside the western decline, you will see Russia's back.

Just last things, during the first iraq war, in 1991, for most of people US claimed that only few aircrafts were downed, in fact, most of the figures were provided by DOD, it appears that much of the figures were cheaped in order to mislead us, and mislead the world. They successfully did.
The losses were far heavy than claimed, do not be abused by the western's hype, the soviet/russian's hardware were far be efficient than you can imagine, US claims's purpose is politic, economic, and chieflty propaganda. I was abused during nearly 20 years by western propaganda, it is no use to tell more.

During the war in 2006, Hizbollah inflicted -with old russian's antitank hardware- to israelis tanks a such losses -more than 100-, that forced Israel withdrew from the war.
Western barbaric imperialism is far more weaker than you can imagine, and if this war takes place against Syria, we will witnessed several dozens F-22, F-15, F-16-no use to tell more about this shits- downed.
In 2013, this is the end of US western barbaric imperialism in Middle East.

We will see, I am skeptical as for now...

And Syria doesn't have S-300 and probably won't get it...

SAA air defence pretty much doesn't matter. Israel has conducted successful attacks against Syria without even entering its airspace. US Navy can fire about 500 Tomahawk missiles from 1000+ km range - greater than the range of even the most formidable anti ship missiles Syria possesses.

That's basically what I've been telling the media, who have been pestering me since Wednesday morning.

Well Husein has one more obstacle to overcome and than Russia can asses efficiency of Pancir-S1 and BUK-M2 against CM.

SAA air defence pretty much doesn't matter. Israel has conducted successful attacks against Syria without even entering its airspace. US Navy can fire about 500 Tomahawk missiles from 1000+ km range - greater than the range of even the most formidable anti ship missiles Syria possesses.

You are thinking too defensively... if the US attacks Syria then they are an enemy of Syria... what sort of military response can Syria mount to respond to US air attacks?

Syria has Scuds and clearly has chemical weapons... it also has Yakhont...