Indian Defence Industry / MIC

Werewolf wrote:
If they really wanted they could crush Vietnam without much of resistance from global stage.

higurashihougi wrote:

Werewolf wrote:
If they really wanted they could crush Vietnam without much of resistance from global stage.

Global stage will not give much resistance, but Vietnam will. Vietnam never wants wars, but knows how to create nightmare for the invaders.

The only way for China to make Vietnam submit, is simply killed all 77 millions of Vietnamese in this world. If it dares to.

But the most important things is that, Vietnam NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER wants to make a war with China. So basically the Brahmos serves as an iconic message at most.

higurashihougi wrote:@Type 55: I understand, normal people do not want a war because all the economic achievements in decades will be erased in an instant. Not to mention that we will never see our beloved ones again.

BTW, thinking about Tejas... wonder if it is a good candidate for replacing the old MiG-21.

As far as I know Vietnamese articles tend to support a batch of Dassault Mirage 2000. I personally like a MiG-29.

Interviewer: Can the Foreign Ministry verify the information that Vietnam will buy cruise missile Brahmos from India ?

Mr. Lê Hải Bình: We will re-check and re-examine the information that you have shown.

higurashihougi wrote:MR. Lê Hải Bình, the speaker of Vietnamese Foreign Ministry said he is uncertain about the Brahmos deal.

http://hanoimoi.com.vn/Tin-tuc/Doi-ngoai/704447/xac-minh-thong-tin-viet-nam-mua-ten-lua-chong-ham-brahmos
http://www.doisongphapluat.com/tin-tuc/su-kien-hang-ngay/se-kiem-tra-thong-tin-viet-nam-mua-ten-lua-brahmos-cua-an-do-a50232.html

Interviewer: Can the Foreign Ministry verify the information that Vietnam will buy cruise missile Brahmos from India ?

Mr. Lê Hải Bình: We will re-check and re-examine the information that you have shown.

So whether Vietnam will buy Brahmos or not, we will have to wait.

GarryB wrote:I can't see India not wanting to sell to Vietnam, but if they decided not to, then Vietnam could certainly buy Yakhont from Russia.

Both Brahmos and Yakhont would be compatible with standard UKSK launchers fitted to most future Russian exported naval vessels... including Subs.

Yakhont would lack land attack capability and would likely be rather less capable than Brahmos... but even it would be a very powerful weapon.... a force multiplier... in another thread Zg18 posted a short video of a launch of Yakhont and it impacting a ship in the Black Sea... very impressive.

Sujoy wrote:This entire talk of India selling BRAHMOS to Vietnam and Indonesia is just some PR stuff cooked up by DRDO.

DRDO is [in]famous for making tall claims.

Vietnam and Indonesia already have a sizeable arsenal of Yakhont . Why will they be buying an expensive missile like Brahmos when Yakhont can very easily do the same job?

The BRAHMOS deal was signed with India so that India can repay Russia the money that it owned to the USSR.

Making a speech in front of the news agents, Mr. Anil Wadhwa, Indian Deputy Minister of Foreign Affair, New Dehli and Hanoi have already discussed about a Brahmos contract for Vietnam.

Mr. Wadhwa did not tell the details about the negiotation. However, according to Deccan Herald, the negiotation is well developed, and the Brahmos contract was also agreed by Moskva.

During the 2013 visit of First Secretary of the Vietnamese Communist Party, Nguyễn Phú Trọng, Hanoi had proposed to buy the Indian Brahmos. India, Moskva and Hanoi also discussed about a joint projects of manufacturing a Vietnamese indigenous missiles, whose design is based on Russian Kh-35.

Briefing mediapersons about Mukherjee’s forthcoming visit to Vietnam, Anil Wadhwa, the secretary (east) of the Ministry of External Affairs, said that defence officials of New Delhi and Hanoi were discussing a proposal for supply of BrahMos missiles to Vietnam.

Wadhwa declined to provide details about the progress in India’s talks with Vietnam. Sources, however, told Deccan Herald that the talks were in an advanced stage and Moscow had already informally given its nod to New Delhi for supply of the missiles to the South-East Asian country.

New Delhi had to obtain Moscow’s nod as the BrahMos supersonic cruise missiles are produced by a joint venture of Defence Research and Development Organisation and Russia’s NPO Mashinostroeyenia.

Several countries like Brazil, South Africa, Indonesia and Malaysia evinced interest in importing the BrahMos. Sources, however, said that Vietnam could be the first country to have a deal with BrahMos Aerospace Private Limited for import of the missiles.

Moscow and Hanoi have also been discussing about a proposal for a joint programme for developing a missile system in Vietnam based on the Kh-35 Uran of Russia.

The negotiations, however, could not make much headway, although Hanoi has of late been keen to strengthen its arsenal to address its immediate security concerns, arising out of its escalating tension with Beijing over conflicting territorial claims in the waters of South China Sea. During the visit of general secretary of Vietnam Communist Party, Nguyen Phu Trong, to India in November 2013, Hanoi proposed negotiations with New Delhi for supply of the BrahMos missiles.

New Delhi also offered Hanoi a credit line worth about $100 million to procure military hardware from India. The discussion on the modalities for implementation of the credit line is expected to get a fillip during Mukherjee’s visit to Hanoi.

GarryB wrote:Probably less so when Vietnam already had the system in service.

The main change is that Brahmos will have a land attack capability and also be more effective against naval targets.

higurashihougi wrote:I would prefer to see a Tejas contract, or some lightweight fighters... The Vietnamese MiG-21s are damn old. Even with the Bison upgrade standard, I'm afraid that they have only a few years to live.

And then the Su-22M4 should be replaced, too. I'm looking for an additional MK2 batch, or Su-34 will be nice.

GarryB wrote:I have often thought that if India took that ten billion for MRCA and spent it on Tegas to get it right it would be of rather more benefit to India than any batch of medium fighters.

Having a good heavy and a good light fighter is really all you need... a big capable fighter and a smaller lighter cheaper numbers fighter that can put bombs on target and carry modern capable AAMs that make NATO forces fire at helos from 10km range...

GarryB wrote:I have often thought that if India took that ten billion for MRCA and spent it on Tegas to get it right it would be of rather more benefit to India than any batch of medium fighters.

higurashihougi wrote:India has always wanted to explore and possess many kinds of technologies from various countries. By my guess, may be that explains the EU-canard contract ?

higurashihougi wrote:India has always wanted to explore and possess many kinds of technologies from various countries

higurashihougi wrote:By my guess, may be that explains the EU-canard contract ?

Mike E wrote:but they should (should have) avoided the Euro-canards save for the Gripen, which seems to be a good aircraft.

Mike E wrote:The Rafale is simply too expensive to buy and maintain, while the EF has had its fair share of issues (it is also expensive).