Indian Defence Industry / MIC

miketheterrible wrote:Key word is private. In other words, US is pumping money into these organizations so that they get the contracts.

well bro US will never be able to replace Russia, yes they might get some defence contracts but not critical ones

Indian Prime Minister Modi visited Larsen & Toubro (L & T) production complex in Hazira

Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi, accompanied by Defense Minister Nirmala Sitharaman, visited the Indian private group Larsen & Toubro (L & T) in Hazira, Gujarat.

In 2015, the Larsen & Toubro Group, in partnership with the South Korean corporation Hanwha, won a tender for the supply of the K9 155-mm / 52 self-propelled howitzer for the Indian army (1,500 units are planned for procurement)

Judging by the photo, Larsen & Toubro presented to the Premier of Modi a promising BMP under the FICV program (futuristic infantry combat vehicle).













https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3499649.html

India supplied Myanmar Shyena anti-submarine torpedoes

As Indian media reported, Bharat Dynamics Limited (BDL), an Indian state defense force, supplied the Myanmar Navy with the first batch of 324-mm Advanced Light Torpedo (TAL) Shyena anti-submarine torpedoes to arm surface ships. This is the first export delivery of Indian-made torpedoes.


The first batch of Indian 324-mm anti-submarine torpedoes Advanced Light Torpedo (TAL) Shyena, manufactured for the Myanmar Navy at the enterprise of the Indian State Defense Association Bharat Dynamics Limited (BDL) in Vishakhapatnam (c) BDL


Myanmar entered into a $ 37.9 million contract with BDL to acquire an unnamed amount of Shyena torpedoes in March 2017.

The Advanced Light Torpedo (TAL) Shyena 324-mm anti-submarine torpedo is the first self-produced torpedo in India. The development of this torpedo in the interests of the Indian Navy for a long time was carried out by the Naval Science and Technology Laboratory of the Indian Defense Research and Development Organization (DRDO) based on the design of the famous Italian 324-mm anti-flood torpedoes Whitehead (Leonardo) A244S. Shyena torpedo trials were launched in 1998, but only in March 2012 the first batch of serial torpedoes was transferred to the Indian Navy, where it is used both from surface ships and from helicopters. Shyena mass production is carried out by BDL at the enterprise in Visakhapatnam with subcontracting participation of enterprises of the Indian group Larsen & Toubro.

https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3709197.html

News portal dedicated to the Indian Defence Industry: https://indiandefenceindustries.in/taxonomy/term/59

New Indian 105mm wheeled self-propelled howitzer

India is set to launch three defense procurement megaprojects

The Indian newspaper "The Economic Times" in the material "Major defense production boost: India is about to kick-start three mega indigenous projects" reports that the Indian government is planning to implement three major defense procurement projects by national industry, including the procurement of 97 Tejas Mk 1A fighter jets, the construction of a second indigenous aircraft carrier (IAC-2) and the acquisition of 156 Prachand Light Combat Helicopters (LCH). The big news is the final approval of the Indian Navy's intention to order a second nationally built aircraft carrier, IAC-2, based on the already built first national aircraft carrier R 11 Vikrant (IAC-1), abandoning ambitious plans to build a larger nuclear-powered ship. The first Indian nationally built aircraft carrier R 11 Vikrant (IAC-1) undergoing trials (c) Indian Navy


India is ready to embark on three mega defense projects worth Rs 1.4 lakh crore ($16.8 billion), defense commentator Rajat Pandit reported in the Times of India on November 24, 2023.

These three megaprojects include the construction of another aircraft carrier, and the procurement of 97 more Tejas fighter jets and 156 Prachand light combat helicopters.

At a meeting scheduled for November 30, the Defense Acquisition Council, chaired by Indian Defense Minister Rajnath Singh, is expected to consider the "recognition of need" (AoN) for these three critical projects. Once the AoN is approved, tenders and commercial negotiations will take place. The projects will then be referred to the Indian Cabinet Committee on Security for final approval.

As noted above, these projects, which are vital to strengthening India's military preparedness in response to China's growing capabilities, include the procurement of 97 Tejas Mk 1A fighter jets, the construction of a second indigenous aircraft carrier (IAC-2), and the acquisition of 156 Prachand helicopters.

The procurement of 97 Tejas Mk 1A fighter jets at a cost of about 55 thousand crores ($6.6 billion) is in addition to the 83 aircraft already ordered under the previous contract with Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL).

These aircraft are needed to increase the number of fighter squadrons in the Indian Air Force, which currently stands at 31 squadrons, below the 42 squadrons needed to counter threats from China and Pakistan.

The construction of the second national aircraft carrier (Indigenous Aircraft Carrier - IAC-2) at the Cochin Shipyard Limited, estimated at 40 thousand crores ($ 4.8 billion), is a “re-order” of a ship similar to the aircraft carrier Vikrant already built there . The Indian Navy is keen to meet its operational requirements given that the Vikrant will only become operational by mid-2024.

The procurement of 156 Prachand helicopters at a cost of about 45 thousand crores ($5.4 billion) is needed to carry out high-altitude offensive operations in areas such as the Siachen Glacier and eastern Ladakh.

Although the Indian Navy initially wanted to purchase the nuclear-powered aircraft carrier IAC-2, budget constraints led to the choice of a less powerful option with an electric [as in the text - actually gas turbine] power plant. China currently operates two aircraft carriers and plans to build more, while the United States operates 11 nuclear-powered aircraft carriers.

https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4776411.html

It is good to see nations boosting their sovereignty with developing their own MIC. I hate CAATSA as it is obviously an attempt to destroy Russias weapons exports and previous Russian weapons influence in areas. Russia should start working to help nations develop their own military infrastructure. They could keep their influence and development of their own MIC in the process while these developing nations can stand on their own with weapons that cannot be taken from them or stalled for lack of parts and support.

DRDO released the results of the field trial for mounted gun systems. The indigenously developed 155 mm/52 calibre MGS performed better than foreign competitors like Ceaser, Zuzana, Atmos and Nora

TMA1 wrote:It is good to see nations boosting their sovereignty with developing their own MIC. I hate CAATSA as it is obviously an attempt to destroy Russias weapons exports and previous Russian weapons influence in areas. Russia should start working to help nations develop their own military infrastructure. They could keep their influence and development of their own MIC in the process while these developing nations can stand on their own with weapons that cannot be taken from them or stalled for lack of parts and support.

CAATSA (together with all of the abuse of the sanctions) will eventually end up being one of the reason of USA loss of status as main superpower. USA (or the main part which remains of it after their "fall of Soviet union moment") will remain as an important regional power, (something like Japan or Canada) but will not be able to order all other countries around the world.

We have already seen a slow decline in credibility and their european allies vassals have already experienced many times in the recent pasts being screwed over.

By the way, their film and music production quality is also going down to the drain. Hollywood, mass media and other soft powers had also a large weight in American dominance.

Anyway many countries now realise that buying stuff and or just dealing with the US is not acceptable anymore. It has become like dealing with the Mob or with a loan shark.

Yeah we are out of touch and full of hubris. We are soon to meet Nemesis the pagans wrote of. It is inevitable and I would not wish what is coming on my worst enemy. I fear we are at the point where the mercy of God is out of the question, as it would be an injustice. Not being hyperbolic. I think most people who are even vaguely aware can sense this.

It scares me as I have a severely disabled sister who is chronically ill and I have no trust in our healthcare system already. She is my best bud and I try not to think of what is going to go down when our markets crash. When they do crash it wont be no recession.

CAATSA is a temporary phenomenon

As the US exits inflation, and heads to deflation, the value of their currency will also go down, leading to the support of domestic producers and the export market

This means the US will have to retool, and rebuild lost manufacturing capacity, but as they lose economic hegemony, the conditions will provide for it

And at that point, CAATSA will have no sway, as foreign countries will be very hostile to both the US dollar, and US exports

In other words, the US will have to fight for market share same as other countries, and won't be able to push sales based on political influence

The US is perfectly capable of manufacturing its own goods once it retools and restores its factories

They have gas, oil, water, agricultural lands, metals and plenty of resources

They also have intellectual property, and have but to train and pay workers

Once the dollar hegemony falls , they will adjust and transition into a closed cycle economy

Like Russia, the US is perfectly capable of Autarky

It's citizens may not enjoy it at first, but theyl get used to it

I think it's an exaggeration to say loss of hegemony = collapse of US

Arkanghelsk wrote:The US is perfectly capable of manufacturing its own goods once it retools and restores its factories

They have gas, oil, water, agricultural lands, metals and plenty of resources

They also have intellectual property, and have but to train and pay workers

Once the dollar hegemony falls , they will adjust and transition into a closed cycle economy

Like Russia, the US is perfectly capable of Autarky

It's citizens may not enjoy it at first, but theyl get used to it

I think it's an exaggeration to say loss of hegemony = collapse of US

For the normal US citizen, after possibly an initial bad period this actually could be much better.
It depends how bad is the initial decline and if it reaches the depth of 90s Russia.

In the long run, getting read of at least part of degenerates and elites would only be a good thing for the normal citizens.

With 1/3 of their population under drogs and another 1/3 spending their time pushing degenerative lgbtq propaganda at schools, and an other 1/3 being poor they will hardly survive as a state.

Times are that 16-17 yo girls really consider opening onlyfans account for online prostitution and 16-17 yo boys considering gaming and streaming their face online all day as a career.

Most of their elit schools are full of indians and chinese.

I saw thr interview of Apple's IA chief, Luc Julia, a french that developed Siri saying most US student in big universties lack real engineering skills and are just very strong in marketing.

Such people won't live in a closed economy. They will just push prostitution and drugs at another level to live in a fancy world.

Isos wrote:
Times are that 16-17 yo girls really consider opening onlyfans account for online prostitution and 16-17 yo boys considering gaming and streaming their face online all day as a career.

Most of their elit schools are full of indians and chinese.

I saw thr interview of Apple's IA chief, Luc Julia, a french that developed Siri saying most US student in big universties lack real engineering skills and are just very strong in marketing.

Such people won't live in a closed economy. They will just push prostitution and drugs at another level to live in a fancy world.

Well in Russia in the 90s there were many 16-17 young boys that aspired to become criminals (and many 16-17 girls who wanted to become prostitutes) in order to have access to easy money.

The Russian crime miniserie "Brigata" (First aired in 2002)  depicts a sad but unfortunate example of Russian situations in the 90s.

By the way that serie was really appreciated but also seriously criticised because of its positive portrayal of criminals and the high quantity of violence in it.

A few years ago one of the serie protagonists called  "Brigada" a crime against Russia in which he participated, and explained that the harm of the series is that because of him, "the boys wanted to become bandits.

Russia really needed many years to come out of the "inheritance" from the 90s and a large parts of the generation that grew up in those years still pays the consequence.

Off topic ends

About the US...they need to stop all or the politically correct BS and all the anti white propaganda, and stop subsidizing and incentivizing all of their fake liberal arts curricula in their schools and uni.

Anyway, India is strong enough to ignore the consequences of CAATSA. I believe they start to be interested again in the su-57.

Of course, since they went out of the PAK-FA program, now they cannot hope to get the same prices and conditions as a few years ago, also because now the Su-57 is battle tested and has scored several kills against 4 generation aircrafts.

By the way, I hope Ukraine will last a few more months in order to put in service some F-16... It would be a nice line in the CVs of Su-57, Su-35, Su-30 and Mig-35 having shot down f16s.

By the way, are there any news on the MMRCA 2.0 or MRFA tender?

Mig-35 getting some kills in the SMO could really help with this, and India could easily get production licences from Russia (at least more easily than for Su-57E)

And Russia needed a strong politician in the form of Putin to stop the bleeding. Ukraine is what Russia would have became if Putin didn't had a strong policy.

Mig-35 getting some kills in the SMO could really help with this, and India could easily get production licences from Russia (at least more easily than for Su-57E)

If they had a real 5th gen fighter with one engine getting kills that would be even better.

Mig-35 is a thing of the past that gailed as a project. Was good for 2006 when they wanted it but certainly not in 2024. Just the dev time of 20 years for something that is an improved mig-29M is laughable.

What needs to get kills is pantsirs, tors, s-400+ awacs and su-57 with r-77m as well as mig-31 with r-37M. They are doing good for this part.

Indian defense export record

https://www.cnbctv18.com/india/india-witnesses-record-defence-exports-and-defence-production-in-2023-18631161.htm