State Armaments Program 2011-2020

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Increased the combat potential of general purpose forces.

The Army has formed nine compounds including four infantry and one armored division.
The troops received 2,930 new and upgraded models of weapons. It is possible to retrofit two more missile brigades, two air defense brigades and two anti-aircraft missile regiment, a brigade of special purpose, twelve mechanized infantry and tank battalions, three artillery battalions.
The level of equipment of the Land Forces with modern weaponry was 42%.

Aerospace forces received 139 modern aircraft, four anti-aircraft missile regiment rearmed to anti-aircraft missile system S-400 "Triumph". In addition, the forces delivered 25 armored anti-aircraft missile and gun complexes "Carapace-C", and 74 radar stations. The share of modern weapons in the air and space power increased to 66%, and aircraft serviceability - 62%.
Having successfully completed the state testing of three new radar stations of high factory readiness "Voronezh": Orsk, Barnaul, Yeniseysk. In 2017, they intercede on combat duty.
Spend the completion of three existing radars in Baranovichi, Murmansk, Pechora and with application of high tech prefabrication.
All this has allowed for the first time in the history of the new Russia to create a border around the perimeter of our continuous radar field warning system missile attack on all the strategic aerospace and directions to all types of flight trajectories of ballistic missiles.

The Armed Forces 105 systems delivered this year, including 260 unmanned aerial vehicles. Formed 36 military units and unmanned aircraft.
Total in service is more than 600 complexes with two thousand drones. For comparison, in 2011 in the Armed Forces was only 180 legacy systems.
unmanned aviation intensity compared with last year increased by half.

The composition of the Navy Type 24 surface ships and support vessels, as well as two multi-purpose submarines.
Facilities navy with modern weapons and equipment increased to 47%.

The Airborne Troops are formed three reconnaissance battalion and six tank companies, two companies of electronic warfare and unmanned aerial vehicles. Planted 188 new and upgraded armored vehicles. Airborne equipment level modern weapons is 47%.

A new development was the technical basis for the control system. The troops put 22 thousand modern means of communication, which is 6% more than in 2015. As a result, equipment of the Armed Forces of the modern communication technology increased to 49 per cent.
On the special control of the Ministry of Defense are problematic questions on undersupplied troops in weapons and equipment. In the current year is 49 units of core samples.

... As a result of equipping the Armed Forces with modern weapons and equipment in constant readiness units increased to 58.3%, and serviceability - up to 94%.

In 2017, the Ministry of Defence to address a number of priorities:

- First of all - continue to strengthen the combat capabilities of the Armed Forces. Take measures to strengthen the groups of forces in the West, South-West and the Arctic's strategic directions.
- Ensure timely publication and strict execution of tasks GOZ-2017 and enter the equipment of the Armed Forces with modern weapons and equipment in the units of permanent readiness of more than 60%.
- According to the strategic nuclear force. To put on combat duty in the Strategic Missile Forces 3 missile regiment equipped with modern missile systems. Enter into service five upgraded strategic aircraft (Tu-160M and Tu-95MSM).
- According to the general-purpose forces. Put in the Army brigade two sets of missile systems "Iskander-M" and rearm three divisions in the army air defense anti-aircraft missile system "Tor-M2". To ensure the supply of 905 modern (new and upgraded) tanks and armored fighting vehicles.
- Take in the aerospace and aviation forces of the Navy 170 new and modernized aircraft.
- Rearmed with four anti-aircraft missile regiment in the S-400 anti-aircraft missile system.
- In the battle of the Navy to enter the eight surface ships and nine combat boats. In the coastal troops put 4 rocket complex ("Bal" and "Bastion").
- To ensure the acceptance of the statement and on alert three radars high prefabrication Yeniseysk, Orsk and Barnaul.
- To launch a second spacecraft Unified space system (EW).

2016 delivered
- 139 aircraft,
- 24 surface ships and supply vessels, 2 multi-purpose submarines,
- 88 artillery systems and guns, 764 armored combat vehicles.

Modernized (new & upgraded) Tank & IFV deliveries:

2015 - 701
2016 - 764
2017 - 905 (planned)

Article with the Deputy Minister of Defense in the challenges and success's of Armament Modernization Program;

https://topwar.ru/106552-postoyanno-izyskivaem-rezervy-chtoby-vypolnit-mayskie-ukazy.html

IMHO . Why Russia worried ? Why American ship bump Russian ship near Georgia black Sea, and no war ? Why Russian fighter jet does ballet dance with American intruder plane , wing tip to wing tip . Still no war ? Amazing . This move not imaginable by say a country like Iran . War next minute . Why this difference ? Obvious to people . There can be no war between Russia or US . Because any little conflict will soon turn nuclear . Probably within first few days . Everyone dies .

Here then is the great advantage for Russia . An enemy attacking will either be strong or weak . A strong enemy threatening survival of Russia . Will be annihilated with nukes . A weak enemy not threatening survival of Russia . May not be attacked by full force . Since it becomes politically unacceptable . Only hoping to gain an advantage . By border skirmishes .

so Russia needs to maintain in good order it's nuclear force . And maintain it's existing conventional forces in ready state ( for defending against weak attacks . Also transfer some arms to allies ) . For both strong and weak attacks . The money it saves , by not expanding it's conventional forces . Can be well spent in research .Into revolutionary and asymmetric weapon systems . Since it will be engaged in defending itself and allies from numerous small scale conflicts against western expansionism .

Since economy of West and resources is bigger . Then a symmetric response will lead to defeat . They will simply put more ships or planes into operation . The Tank was only a response in wwI . To breaking through minefield and barb wire against infantry small arms fire . And someone defined the requirements and said tractor wheels on that thing is a good idea . If you work from definitions , then modern Tank can be UCAV with ATGM . Hunting infantry positions . Passing through barb wire . But you need to be brave and think outside of box and not be fashion victim . And always do catchup after yank military fashion industry .

franco wrote:2016 delivered
- 139 aircraft,
- 24 surface ships and supply vessels, 2 multi-purpose submarines,
- 88 artillery systems and guns, 764 armored combat vehicles.

are included the smaller numbers in the bigger data?

It would be very interesting to know more about the land armament procured.

I would expect high relative numbers of Surface-Air weapons and infantry vehicles.

Also a little question, do you know about the numbers of GMZ-3 engineering vehicles that can be in active service and/or in the reserve in Russia? Just curious.

are included the smaller numbers in the bigger data? Not sure what you mean.

It would be very interesting to know more about the land armament procured. Reported receiving 3,000 new major pieces of equipment.

Maybe this helps. The Airborne Forces received 188 AFV which would include 60 T-72B3. The Ground Forces received ~ 500 AFV's. Suspect about 130 BTR-82A, ~80 BMP-3's and some rebuilt BMP-2M's. The other ~ half would be T-72B3. The Naval Infantry probably got 40 or so BTR-82AM's. Total would not include SPADS or SPArty.

do you know about the numbers of GMZ-3 engineering vehicles that can be in active service and/or in the reserve in Russia? Not a clue I'm afraid.

nomadski wrote:IMHO . Why Russia worried ? Why American ship bump Russian ship near Georgia black Sea, and no war ? Why Russian fighter jet does ballet dance with American intruder plane , wing tip to wing tip . Still no war ? Amazing . This move not imaginable by say a country like Iran . War next minute . Why this difference ? Obvious to people . There can be no war between Russia or US . Because any little conflict will soon turn nuclear . Probably within first few days . Everyone dies .

Here then is the great advantage for Russia . An enemy attacking will either be strong or weak . A strong enemy threatening survival of Russia . Will be annihilated with nukes . A weak enemy not threatening survival of Russia . May not be attacked by full force . Since it becomes politically unacceptable . Only hoping to gain an advantage . By border skirmishes .

so Russia needs to maintain in good order it's nuclear force . And maintain it's existing conventional forces in ready state ( for defending against weak attacks . Also transfer some arms to allies ) . For both strong and weak attacks . The money it saves , by not expanding it's conventional forces . Can be well spent in research .Into revolutionary and asymmetric weapon systems . Since it will be engaged in defending itself and allies from numerous small scale conflicts against western expansionism .

Since economy of West and resources is bigger . Then a symmetric response will lead to defeat . They will simply put more ships or planes into operation . The Tank was only a response in wwI . To breaking through minefield and barb wire against infantry small arms fire . And someone defined the requirements and said tractor wheels on that thing is a good idea . If you work from definitions , then modern Tank can be UCAV with ATGM . Hunting infantry positions . Passing through barb wire . But you need to be brave and think outside of box and not be fashion victim . And always do catchup after yank military fashion industry .

A lot of the European states, that is of NATO, is quite weak and very low numbers. It really breaks down to US and Turkey having the most in terms of military might in NATO. But even then, Turkey is a questionable ally for NATO and may not participate at all. So it really is USA doing majority of the work. And let us not kid ourselves, majority of US ground equipment is either outdated or not quite up to par in current conflicts. Such systems can be dealt with by use of ATGM's and other systems that could knock out such tanks at long ranges. While all the equipment US uses is still a major threat, Russia's aim, judging by what I am reading (MLRS numbers increasing, rocket systems like Iskander and Kalibr, etc) their aim is for hard hitting, long range strikes in a saturation mode. So in other words, strike US formations and positions with long range strikes and keep raining down on them. Add in artillery and it makes it very effective. You don't necessarily need to have the numbers per tank or per this or that. All you need is to make sure you have enough of the large hard hitting missiles and lots of available smaller arms like ATGM's and air defense systems.

US could very well attack, they seem to be gearing up for a war with Russia by drastically increasing heavy armor at Russias borders (I heard that upwards to 3600 tanks will be in eastern europe by Jan-20) and so Russia has to be prepared for anything. Any adventurism the americans try into Russia's borders means they need to be wiped out. Fast and hard. And only way to do that is with a fast and hard strike with something like a Tochka, Oka or Iskander.

This is why I think it is in Russia's best interest to further expand the number of such systems. Tanks and such are going to be what holds off the enemy for long enough till the hard striking systems can be ready and launched. Nuclear weapons will not be used in the beginning of the conflict. Maybe tactical nukes. But we are getting to the point where things are getting dangerous and Russia needs the #'s. Not just the quality hardware. I think they know this hence why they are continuing the upgrade of T-72's and T-80's.

franco wrote:are included the smaller numbers in the bigger data?  Not sure what you mean.

It would be very interesting to know more about the land armament procured. Reported receiving 3,000 new major pieces of equipment.

Maybe this helps. The Airborne Forces received 188 AFV which would include 60 T-72B3. The Ground Forces received ~ 500 AFV's. Suspect about 130 BTR-82A, ~80 BMP-3's and some rebuilt BMP-2M's. The other ~ half would be T-72B3. The Naval Infantry probably got 40 or so BTR-82AM's. Total would not include SPADS or SPArty.

do you know about the numbers of GMZ-3 engineering vehicles that can be in active service and/or in the reserve in Russia? Not a clue I'm afraid.

Thank you. The first question was about if the 88 artillery systems and guns are included in the 764.

Habitually the engineering vehicles are not the most interesting machines from a military point, but I like them from a technical point.

Going forward and the thought process;

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2369555.html

franco wrote:Going forward and the thought process;

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2369555.html

The information of the article is understandable. Today the procurement is not the key part for Russia, it is more important to build some military capabilities related to the development of some armament that was not renoved since the last quarter of the previous century (more concretely since the time of the Soviet Union, and/or even then, was not done in Russia.

I read an article about how the next armament program will be much smaller - 12T rubles because that is what the liberals wanted as the Def Ministry wants 30T rubles.  I broke it down and at 12T rubles that is roughly $40B per year for armament which is still quite a bit compared to what I initially thought.  But of course, I imagine they will meet somewhere in the middle as the current armament program is 19.1T rubles and the remaining 3.9T rubles is for other stuff.  What was interesting though is that they mentioned that in 2017, they only expect to actually spend 40% of the current money allocated till 2020 (from 2011)

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2369555.html

They said that they will concentrate on more purchases of current systems and the introduction of the newer stuff like T-50 and Armata will be slower and extended to later dates.

This is of course not final and we will not know till the mid point of this year.

miketheterrible wrote:I read an article about how the next armament program will be much smaller - 12T rubles because that is what the liberals wanted as the Def Ministry wants 30T rubles.  I broke it down and at 12T rubles that is roughly $40B per year for armament which is still quite a bit compared to what I initially thought.  But of course, I imagine they will meet somewhere in the middle as the current armament program is 19.1T rubles and the remaining 3.9T rubles is for other stuff.  What was interesting though is that they mentioned that in 2017, they only expect to actually spend 40% of the current money allocated till 2020 (from 2011)

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2369555.html

They said that they will concentrate on more purchases of current systems and the introduction of the newer stuff like T-50 and Armata will be slower and extended to later dates.

This is of course not final and we will not know till the mid point of this year.

I was going to post on this... It's likely that the liberals also demanded a much smaller budget for the current program, right? So what's new? 12 trillion is not terrible, I guess, but it seems to be unnecessarily low. Russian economy is going to grow during that period, so by the early 2020s that would barely be 2% of the GDP, which is ridiculous. That would still be more than 2 trillion rubles per year (my math sucks)? (EDIT: Wait, no it wouldn't. 12 trillion in 8 years!? I didn't realize that is supposed to last all the way until 2025.) Indeed, there could easily be a compromise of around 20 trillion.

Kimppis wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:I read an article about how the next armament program will be much smaller - 12T rubles because that is what the liberals wanted as the Def Ministry wants 30T rubles.  I broke it down and at 12T rubles that is roughly $40B per year for armament which is still quite a bit compared to what I initially thought.  But of course, I imagine they will meet somewhere in the middle as the current armament program is 19.1T rubles and the remaining 3.9T rubles is for other stuff.  What was interesting though is that they mentioned that in 2017, they only expect to actually spend 40% of the current money allocated till 2020 (from 2011)

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2369555.html

They said that they will concentrate on more purchases of current systems and the introduction of the newer stuff like T-50 and Armata will be slower and extended to later dates.

This is of course not final and we will not know till the mid point of this year.

I was going to post on this... It's likely that the liberals also demanded a much smaller budget for the current program, right? So what's new? 12 trillion is not terrible, I guess, but it seems to be unnecessarily low. Russian economy is going to grow during that period, so by the early 2020s that would barely be 2% of the GDP, which is ridiculous. That would still be more than 2 trillion rubles per year (my math sucks)? (EDIT: Wait, no it wouldn't. 12 trillion in 8 years!? I didn't realize that is supposed to last all the way until 2025.) Indeed, there could easily be a compromise of around 20 trillion.

My take is a little different;
- the MoD have reduced their expectations to 30 trillion from 55 trillion but Finance wants it dropped to 12 trillion. It will be somewhere in between and Putin has already stated that it needs to be +3% of the GDP.
- my read of the 40% is that of the budget allotted for new equipment 2011-2020, only just over 40% has been used heading into 2017.
- and the priority has always been to have +70% of modern equipment by the end of 2020... it doesn't have to be brand new.
- the military budget is always based on a soft 10-year plan with a more solid 5-year plan. This stage was actually put off by a year (2016) to see how the economy was going to develop.

franco wrote:

Kimppis wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:I read an article about how the next armament program will be much smaller - 12T rubles because that is what the liberals wanted as the Def Ministry wants 30T rubles.  I broke it down and at 12T rubles that is roughly $40B per year for armament which is still quite a bit compared to what I initially thought.  But of course, I imagine they will meet somewhere in the middle as the current armament program is 19.1T rubles and the remaining 3.9T rubles is for other stuff.  What was interesting though is that they mentioned that in 2017, they only expect to actually spend 40% of the current money allocated till 2020 (from 2011)

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2369555.html

They said that they will concentrate on more purchases of current systems and the introduction of the newer stuff like T-50 and Armata will be slower and extended to later dates.

This is of course not final and we will not know till the mid point of this year.

I was going to post on this... It's likely that the liberals also demanded a much smaller budget for the current program, right? So what's new? 12 trillion is not terrible, I guess, but it seems to be unnecessarily low. Russian economy is going to grow during that period, so by the early 2020s that would barely be 2% of the GDP, which is ridiculous. That would still be more than 2 trillion rubles per year (my math sucks)? (EDIT: Wait, no it wouldn't. 12 trillion in 8 years!? I didn't realize that is supposed to last all the way until 2025.) Indeed, there could easily be a compromise of around 20 trillion.

My take is a little different;
- the MoD have reduced their expectations to 30 trillion from 55 trillion but Finance wants it dropped to 12 trillion. It will be somewhere in between and Putin has already stated that it needs to be +3% of the GDP.
- my read of the 40% is that of the budget allotted for new equipment 2011-2020, only just over 40% has been used heading into 2017.
- and the priority has always been to have +70% of modern equipment by the end of 2020... it doesn't have to be brand new.
- the military budget is always based on a soft 10-year plan with a more solid 5-year plan. This stage was actually put off by a year (2016) to see how the economy was going to develop.

Has Putin said that it needs to be +3% past 2018-20? I hope that's the case. Or atleast like 2.5%. I'm obviously not saying that they need to spend more than they can afford or that they should be like the USSR, but they can afford that just fine, especially when the military (and military industry) is one the Russia's biggest strengths and it should be a priority.

That's how I understood that 40% part too. (I read the article through Yandex translate.) It would make sense because the program is probably around 40-60% done atm.

I guess having a lot of upgraded equipment was always going to be the plan and that's obviously fine. But I'd really like to see them purchase atleast around a squadron of PAK-FAs, like 2 squadrons of Su-35s and 150-250 T-14s every year after 2020.

As for future purchases, they feel they need to purchase new around 100 aircraft plus 600 AFV per year. 600 AFV should get you enough to fit out;

- brigade / regiment of Tanks with a battalion of T-15's in support
- brigade / regiment of Kurganets with a battalion of T-14
- brigade / regiment of Boomerangs with a battalion of T-14
- brigade / regiment of BMD-4M's

100 aircraft? They need roughly 500 new aircraft.

And even if procurement is $40B per year, that is far more than enough to purchase plenty of aircraft.

miketheterrible wrote:100 aircraft? They need roughly 500 new aircraft.

And even if procurement is $40B per year, that is far more than enough to purchase plenty of aircraft.

I think he means per year. I think at this rate they're going to get around 500 new multirole aircraft by the end 2020 + hundreds of upgraded ones.

To Franco: so that 100 includes helicopters? I thought that was supposed to be like 150 with helicopters? How many helicopters they even got last year? Because the overall attack helicopter numbers you posted are pretty impressive and I think the received around 50-60 new fighters last year. And that doesn't includes upgrades like MIG-31, right? Thanks.

Kimppis wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:100 aircraft? They need roughly 500 new aircraft.

And even if procurement is $40B per year, that is far more than enough to purchase plenty of aircraft.

I think he means per year. I think at this rate they're going to get around 500 new multirole aircraft by the end 2020 + hundreds of upgraded ones.

To Franco: so that 100 includes helicopters? I thought that was supposed to be like 150 with helicopters? How many helicopters they even got last year? Because the overall attack helicopter numbers you posted are pretty impressive and I think the received around 50-60 new fighters last year. And that doesn't includes upgrades like MIG-31, right? Thanks.

These are going forward figures to maintain a high standard of modern equipment, not present procurement plans.
The figure includes helicopters and all other types of aircraft. Figure could be as high as 120 depending on types.
Present plans are 600 new aircraft and 1000 plus new helicopters by end of 2020 (2011-2020)
Yes, this would be new equipment not counting upgrades.

MOSCOW, February 24 - RIA Novosti. The share of modern tank in the Russian Ground Forces in 2020 will reach 70%, according to the Armed Forces Chief of Land Forces, Colonel-General Oleg Salyukov. Now the basis of military equipment combined arms formations and units make tanks, infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers, said the commander in chief.

"In the military units of permanent readiness of more than 50% of modern tanks T-72B3, T-80U and T-90A. Ongoing annual purchases of these machines, by fire damage and maneuverability, not inferior to the best foreign models in 2020 will provide a share of modern tanks to 70 % ", - the words Salyukova Department of information and mass communications of the Russian Defence Ministry.

In the State Duma noted the outstripping the pace of rearmament of the Russian army
Thus, in 2016 the military units of the Land Forces received more than 2 thousand basic modern weapons and military equipment, including combined-arms units - tanks T-72B3, infantry fighting vehicles BMP-3 and BTR-82A, he added .

"Armed with the Ground Forces is BMP-3 and upgraded BMP-2 are underway to increase the volume of purchases of these machines, which already gives the results of 2020 the share of modern IFV will be 70%..", - Said the commander in chief.

NOTE: Not exactly the envisioned result but the 70% is key IMO.

Why? I thought that was the plan from the beginning: upgraded equipment + some Armatas beginning from around 2018.

Kimppis wrote:Why? I thought that was the plan from the beginning: upgraded equipment + some Armatas beginning from around 2018.

A lot of people were expecting more brand new equipment, some people expected total new (of the 70%) but my read on it was 20-25% of the overall total. It now appears 10% will probably be all. On the positive side Putin has challenged them to make it closer to 80%.

franco wrote:

Kimppis wrote:Why? I thought that was the plan from the beginning: upgraded equipment + some Armatas beginning from around 2018.

A lot of people were expecting more brand new equipment, some people expected total new (of the 70%) but my read on it was 20-25% of the overall total. It now appears 10% will probably be all. On the positive side Putin has challenged them to make it closer to 80%.

True, but I don't think they were ever planning to have 70% brand new by the end of 2020. Totally unrealistic and unneccessary. It makes sense to spread the production over a longer period, so that it takes until the 2030s to replace everything. 80% is realistic, considering that that they are ahead of the plan in some ways atm.

Russian Defense Minister, Sergei Shoigu, announced to the lower house of parliament, on February 23 that Russia has tested a plethora of weapons in its fight against jihadist rebels in Syria.

“We tested 162 types of contemporary and modernized weapons in Syria, which showed a high level of effectiveness,” Shoigu said.

Only 10 weapons systems performed below expectations, he added, without specifying which weapons.