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Russia's Closest Ally
Poll
Which of these countries is Russia's Closest Ally ?
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Total Votes: 61
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Media: Russia made a choice between China and India
January 15, 2021
Moscow has proven its priority in relations with Beijing by canceling the Russian-Indian summit due to the overly pro-American policy on the part of New Delhi. Experts from Modern Diplomacy write about the complicated relations in the Russia-India-China triangle.
Twenty years ago, the Russian Federation and India signed a strategic partnership agreement, after which the Kremlin provided comprehensive assistance to the Indian side both financially, economically, technologically and militarily. Since the agreement was signed, a bilateral summit has been held every year, but it was canceled in 2020, which may be the eve of a serious split in relations between the countries.
In recent years, there has been a very close rapprochement between India and the United States, which, in particular, was expressed in the signing of the Basic Agreement on Exchange and Cooperation, which completed the formation of a close alliance between New Delhi and Washington.
India's role in the Asia-Pacific alliance with the United States, Australia and Japan is evidence that Indian interests are fully aligned with American interests.
The purpose of this alliance is to oppose China and its policies, which contradicts the interests of Russia, which has declared its relations with the PRC strategic.
If a country wants to harm China, Russia feels obligated to break off relations with it, believes Modern Diplomacy, explaining Moscow's choice in favor of Beijing.
https://topcor.ru/18209-smi-rossija-sdelala-vybor-mezhdu-kitaem-i-indiej.html?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fzen.yandex.com
January 15, 2021
Moscow has proven its priority in relations with Beijing by canceling the Russian-Indian summit due to the overly pro-American policy on the part of New Delhi. Experts from Modern Diplomacy write about the complicated relations in the Russia-India-China triangle.
Twenty years ago, the Russian Federation and India signed a strategic partnership agreement, after which the Kremlin provided comprehensive assistance to the Indian side both financially, economically, technologically and militarily. Since the agreement was signed, a bilateral summit has been held every year, but it was canceled in 2020, which may be the eve of a serious split in relations between the countries.
In recent years, there has been a very close rapprochement between India and the United States, which, in particular, was expressed in the signing of the Basic Agreement on Exchange and Cooperation, which completed the formation of a close alliance between New Delhi and Washington.
India's role in the Asia-Pacific alliance with the United States, Australia and Japan is evidence that Indian interests are fully aligned with American interests.
The purpose of this alliance is to oppose China and its policies, which contradicts the interests of Russia, which has declared its relations with the PRC strategic.
If a country wants to harm China, Russia feels obligated to break off relations with it, believes Modern Diplomacy, explaining Moscow's choice in favor of Beijing.
https://topcor.ru/18209-smi-rossija-sdelala-vybor-mezhdu-kitaem-i-indiej.html?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fzen.yandex.com
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It was cancelled cause of Covid.
Jesus Christ Russian journalists are shit
Jesus Christ Russian journalists are shit
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Agenda...
As you mention it was about Covid, and not a political or economic or military split... but lets make it about that... because it is in American interests to weaken Russia and China and India by separating them and making them fight each other.... and clearly for this author the Americans pay the bills.
Very simply if you look 20 years into the future what will happen to India in each case... friends with Russia and China and India will grow and develop and be a power centre... a pole in a multipolar world... not being told what to do or what not to do by Russia or China, but deciding for itself what it wants and what it does not want.
Friends with the US, well look at China and Russia... the US starts to think you are developing too fast and become a rival or threat to their leadership and you get sanctions and HATO bases on your borders and economic and political isolation.
Indias future with the west means essentially remaining a big poor third world country with lots of people to buy western shit and to make shit for western people so cheaply they can afford it on their reducing salaries or benefits.
The west wants to keep the status quo... it is the first world, Russia and probably now China are the second world... and the rest are the third world and you can't move... the west does not share power.
As you mention it was about Covid, and not a political or economic or military split... but lets make it about that... because it is in American interests to weaken Russia and China and India by separating them and making them fight each other.... and clearly for this author the Americans pay the bills.
Very simply if you look 20 years into the future what will happen to India in each case... friends with Russia and China and India will grow and develop and be a power centre... a pole in a multipolar world... not being told what to do or what not to do by Russia or China, but deciding for itself what it wants and what it does not want.
Friends with the US, well look at China and Russia... the US starts to think you are developing too fast and become a rival or threat to their leadership and you get sanctions and HATO bases on your borders and economic and political isolation.
Indias future with the west means essentially remaining a big poor third world country with lots of people to buy western shit and to make shit for western people so cheaply they can afford it on their reducing salaries or benefits.
The west wants to keep the status quo... it is the first world, Russia and probably now China are the second world... and the rest are the third world and you can't move... the west does not share power.
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The so-called first world is a centuries old leech on the rest of the world. So naturally, for this world it is a zero sum game.
The less countries on its plantation, the less filthy lucre it gets. The phony War on Communism aka Cold War was all about
keeping the planet as one giant plantation for the benefit of the colonial masters. Globalism was an attempt to keep the
status quo by using free trade as way to suppress local (national) economic development. This is patently clear from what
happened in Russia during the 1990s.
But humanity is not a collection of insect drones. Over time, people push forward and the plantation owners see less and
less return from their racket. Again, Russia is an example of a country that broke free of the plantation after being put
on it. This is why Putin is demonized. He puts the welfare of Russia above the welfare of the self-anointed masters
of the planet. He is setting a dangerous example to those still on the plantation that freedom is possible. By following
its own path China also breaks the globalist, colonialist system. It became a sweatshop for the first world west but
has become autonomous and its workers are experiencing an increase in their standard of living.
I also no longer consider the tag 1st world to be legit. Russia is not some 2nd world. It is the new 1st world. But
thanks to its own work and not through colonialist parasitism.
The less countries on its plantation, the less filthy lucre it gets. The phony War on Communism aka Cold War was all about
keeping the planet as one giant plantation for the benefit of the colonial masters. Globalism was an attempt to keep the
status quo by using free trade as way to suppress local (national) economic development. This is patently clear from what
happened in Russia during the 1990s.
But humanity is not a collection of insect drones. Over time, people push forward and the plantation owners see less and
less return from their racket. Again, Russia is an example of a country that broke free of the plantation after being put
on it. This is why Putin is demonized. He puts the welfare of Russia above the welfare of the self-anointed masters
of the planet. He is setting a dangerous example to those still on the plantation that freedom is possible. By following
its own path China also breaks the globalist, colonialist system. It became a sweatshop for the first world west but
has become autonomous and its workers are experiencing an increase in their standard of living.
I also no longer consider the tag 1st world to be legit. Russia is not some 2nd world. It is the new 1st world. But
thanks to its own work and not through colonialist parasitism.
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Kazakhstan rebuffs talk of joint sanctions response with Russia
Bears repeating once more: Russian leaders must come to terms with the harsh reality that Russia has no friends, only interests. Maintain good relations and promote strategic co-operation and partnerships, but do not put faith in the concept of "friendship". Seek only to attain as much influence and gain advantage through skilful negotiation and manipulation, rather than expect any presumed allegiances.
Russia's strategic partnership with China isn't pretentious but rather an excellent example of pragmatism. It is mutually satisfying for both states and fulfils their individual interests without having to be tied or bogged down by unnecessary binding arrangements. Rather, it is rooted in carefully crafted diplomatic, military and economic deals that bring benefits to both as well as complement each other in confronting a mutual threat.
Kazakhstan has very close political and economic ties with its former Soviet overlord, but sticks to what it calls a multivector foreign policy, seeking equally strong links with the West and with China, its other giant neighbour.
Bears repeating once more: Russian leaders must come to terms with the harsh reality that Russia has no friends, only interests. Maintain good relations and promote strategic co-operation and partnerships, but do not put faith in the concept of "friendship". Seek only to attain as much influence and gain advantage through skilful negotiation and manipulation, rather than expect any presumed allegiances.
Russia's strategic partnership with China isn't pretentious but rather an excellent example of pragmatism. It is mutually satisfying for both states and fulfils their individual interests without having to be tied or bogged down by unnecessary binding arrangements. Rather, it is rooted in carefully crafted diplomatic, military and economic deals that bring benefits to both as well as complement each other in confronting a mutual threat.
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slasher wrote:Kazakhstan rebuffs talk of joint sanctions response with Russia
Kazakhstan has very close political and economic ties with its former Soviet overlord, but sticks to what it calls a multivector foreign policy, seeking equally strong links with the West and with China, its other giant neighbour.
Bears repeating once more: Russian leaders must come to terms with the harsh reality that Russia has no friends, only interests. Maintain good relations and promote strategic co-operation and partnerships, but do not put faith in the concept of "friendship". Seek only to attain as much influence and gain advantage through skilful negotiation and manipulation, rather than expect any presumed allegiances.
Russia's strategic partnership with China isn't pretentious but rather an excellent example of pragmatism. It is mutually satisfying for both states and fulfils their individual interests without having to be tied or bogged down by unnecessary binding arrangements. Rather, it is rooted in carefully crafted diplomatic, military and economic deals that bring benefits to both as well as complement each other in confronting a mutual threat.
Why repeat the mistake of the Americans who twisted the arms of all their allies into supporting sanctions against Russia?
I don't particularly trust the Kazakh leadership but so far at least they've prioritized integrating with the Russian economy and supporting Russian security concerns.
It's their choice as a sovereign country who to put sanctions on or not.
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slasher wrote:Kazakhstan rebuffs talk of joint sanctions response with Russia
Kazakhstan has very close political and economic ties with its former Soviet overlord, but sticks to what it calls a multivector foreign policy, seeking equally strong links with the West and with China, its other giant neighbour.
Bears repeating once more: Russian leaders must come to terms with the harsh reality that Russia has no friends, only interests. Maintain good relations and promote strategic co-operation and partnerships, but do not put faith in the concept of "friendship". Seek only to attain as much influence and gain advantage through skilful negotiation and manipulation, rather than expect any presumed allegiances.
Russia's strategic partnership with China isn't pretentious but rather an excellent example of pragmatism. It is mutually satisfying for both states and fulfils their individual interests without having to be tied or bogged down by unnecessary binding arrangements. Rather, it is rooted in carefully crafted diplomatic, military and economic deals that bring benefits to both as well as complement each other in confronting a mutual threat.
The Soviets have handed over excessive Russian territory to the Kazakhs and other Central Asian entities. Perhaps the time has come to remind these clowns that they are currently occupying Russian territory.
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PhSt wrote:slasher wrote:Kazakhstan rebuffs talk of joint sanctions response with Russia
Kazakhstan has very close political and economic ties with its former Soviet overlord, but sticks to what it calls a multivector foreign policy, seeking equally strong links with the West and with China, its other giant neighbour.
Bears repeating once more: Russian leaders must come to terms with the harsh reality that Russia has no friends, only interests. Maintain good relations and promote strategic co-operation and partnerships, but do not put faith in the concept of "friendship". Seek only to attain as much influence and gain advantage through skilful negotiation and manipulation, rather than expect any presumed allegiances.
Russia's strategic partnership with China isn't pretentious but rather an excellent example of pragmatism. It is mutually satisfying for both states and fulfils their individual interests without having to be tied or bogged down by unnecessary binding arrangements. Rather, it is rooted in carefully crafted diplomatic, military and economic deals that bring benefits to both as well as complement each other in confronting a mutual threat.
The Soviets have handed over excessive Russian territory to the Kazakhs and other Central Asian entities. Perhaps the time has come to remind these clowns that they are currently occupying Russian territory.
I agree. Just make mention of it and Kazakhs will be quick to fall in line.
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flamming_python wrote:Why repeat the mistake of the Americans who twisted the arms of all their allies into supporting sanctions against Russia?
Huh? The EU was at the forefront in stoking and supporting the Ukrainian maidan, even betraying Russia after agreeing to accept an interim solution before elections were due. The EU was very much lock step with US anti-Russia policy from since then with Britain a part of it, and that has changed little now with rabidly pro-US vassal states like Poland, Denmark, the Baltics etc. who are even more Russia haters than their master. They've always been quite eager to prove their cuckhold credentials without any need for prompting or arm-twisting. And they do it with PRIDE (pun intended).
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Don't forget, Kazakhstan may not openly say it. They may speak about it anyway though behind close doors. If you don't think Russia isn't paying attention to this, they are. Kazakhstan has nowhere to go and they know this. They seen Ukraine.
I noticed Kazakhstan tries hard to keep itself out of the limelight and I think they will keep it so till the US or Russia forces it's hands. Python is right though in how they continue to integrate itself into Russian economy. After all, they wanted the union state.
I noticed Kazakhstan tries hard to keep itself out of the limelight and I think they will keep it so till the US or Russia forces it's hands. Python is right though in how they continue to integrate itself into Russian economy. After all, they wanted the union state.
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slasher wrote:flamming_python wrote:Why repeat the mistake of the Americans who twisted the arms of all their allies into supporting sanctions against Russia?
Huh? The EU was at the forefront in stoking and supporting the Ukrainian maidan, even betraying Russia after agreeing to accept an interim solution before elections were due. The EU was very much lock step with US anti-Russia policy from since then with Britain a part of it, and that has changed little now with rabidly pro-US vassal states like Poland, Denmark, the Baltics etc. who are even more Russia haters than their master. They've always been quite eager to prove their cuckhold credentials without any need for prompting or arm-twisting. And they do it with PRIDE (pun intended).
Only the ones who were anti-Russian anyway and had nothing much to lose anyway
Countries like Hungary, Slovakia, Greece, Cyprus, most of the Balkan ones in general - were reluctant to implement the sanctions. Even Germany was hesitant.
Israel was given a pass. As was South Korea. Turkey too. Why? Because for those states ties with Russia were either too critical, or the US didn't have enough influence over them.
In general I don't think pressuring allies to adopt counter-sanctions is a good approach. Kazakhstan benefits immensely from exporting raw materials to the West, and importing technologies. So let them be, or are we the ones that are going to help out their economy if it starts depressing due to such moves?
As for the sanctions from the EU & Japan, it's only a matter of time until they are dropped too.
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Russia-China the Endgame, by Finian Cunningham for Sputniknews. 29.06.2021.
The consolidation of the Russia-China alliance this week spells the endgame for Western imperialism and the never-ending wars that it spawns.
Russia’s President Vladimir Putin and China’s leader Xi Jinping celebrated the 20th anniversary of the Sino-Russian Treaty of Friendship, first signed in July 2001. The hallmark of that historic accord is a mutual commitment to peace, prosperity and global stability.
As Putin commented, the alliance between Russia and China is a vital source of “stability at a time of increasing geopolitical turbulence”. The latter remark is an oblique reference to the US-led Western states which are driven by ratcheting up antagonism and tensions with Moscow and Beijing using all sorts of spurious complaints.
The attempt by Washington (whether Republican or Democrat) and its Western minions to make trouble with Russia and China has become almost frenetic. Step back from the daily headlines in Western media and it is glaring just how much the agenda has become irrationally hostile towards Moscow and Beijing. Week after week there are unfounded allegations about aggression, security threats, cybercrime, interference, Covid-19, and so on. It’s like a mad cacophony to wind up tensions. Nevertheless, the deranged attitude of Western ruling cliques is but the death throes of a world order that has reached its expiration.
Russia and China’s partnership has hugely transformative geopolitical significance. Both these giant nations straddle the continents of Asia and Europe, connecting the Pacific with the Atlantic, ranging from the Arctic to the Mediterranean. Both are committed to a vision of a multipolar world where nations cooperate for mutual development. China’s Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) linking Eurasia with Africa and the Americas is the vision of the future, and Russia is a key partner in implementing that ambitious win-win project for global peace and prosperity.
This vision stands in stark contrast to the prevailing Western capitalist paradigm which operates through dominance, control and exploitation for American and European profiteering. That kind of centuries-old system necessarily involves imperialist conduct whereby natural resources of foreign nations are commandeered by brute military force, conflict, subjugation, subterfuge, skulduggery and other machinations.
The multipolar vision of global relations advocated by Russia and China is the nemesis of the Western imperialist system. And that explains why the Americans and their European vassals make every effort to demonize and distort Russia and China.
But the geopolitical potential of Russia and China is unstoppable. There is a force of natural justice that all nations will inevitably subscribe to as the only reasonable, feasible and sustainable way forward. It’s about people-centered development versus profit-driven disorder.
Moreover, the partnership between Russia and China is a geographer’s wonder study. Russia is the world’s largest national territory by landmass. With over 17 million square kilometers, it covers 11 time zones out of the world’s total of 24. The abundance of natural resources that Russia possesses is astounding, from reserves of natural gas, oil, metals and minerals, to forestry, agriculture and fisheries. It also can boast of highly advanced technology in multiple sectors. And it shares a long land border with China for easing trade.
Meanwhile, China has a population of 1.4 billion people, ten times that of Russia. With highly advanced technology and manufacturing, China is not only a vast market for Russian resources, it is also a gateway to the world economy. China has already become the world’s biggest economy over the United States according to some measures.
The US and Europe are post-industrial economies that are also post-peak of their prime. Their “prime” was always based on an extractive predatory relationship with the rest of the world that was predicated on inflicting conflict and poverty on others.
As China and Russia build on their strategic partnership for mutual prosperity and peace the upshot will inevitably entail the endgame for Western imperial powers which are atrophying from massive inequality, indebtedness, moral decadence and social decay.
Fortunately, too, and this is crucial, Russia and China have military defenses from new generations of hypersonic weaponry that make them impregnable against any warmongering notions by the United States. A failing empire like the US and its Western satellites is always a dangerous time as it tries to prevent the inevitable collapse, but starting a war with Russia and China is not an option.
https://sputniknews.com/columnists/202106291083266685-russia-china-the-endgame/
The consolidation of the Russia-China alliance this week spells the endgame for Western imperialism and the never-ending wars that it spawns.
Russia’s President Vladimir Putin and China’s leader Xi Jinping celebrated the 20th anniversary of the Sino-Russian Treaty of Friendship, first signed in July 2001. The hallmark of that historic accord is a mutual commitment to peace, prosperity and global stability.
As Putin commented, the alliance between Russia and China is a vital source of “stability at a time of increasing geopolitical turbulence”. The latter remark is an oblique reference to the US-led Western states which are driven by ratcheting up antagonism and tensions with Moscow and Beijing using all sorts of spurious complaints.
The attempt by Washington (whether Republican or Democrat) and its Western minions to make trouble with Russia and China has become almost frenetic. Step back from the daily headlines in Western media and it is glaring just how much the agenda has become irrationally hostile towards Moscow and Beijing. Week after week there are unfounded allegations about aggression, security threats, cybercrime, interference, Covid-19, and so on. It’s like a mad cacophony to wind up tensions. Nevertheless, the deranged attitude of Western ruling cliques is but the death throes of a world order that has reached its expiration.
Russia and China’s partnership has hugely transformative geopolitical significance. Both these giant nations straddle the continents of Asia and Europe, connecting the Pacific with the Atlantic, ranging from the Arctic to the Mediterranean. Both are committed to a vision of a multipolar world where nations cooperate for mutual development. China’s Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) linking Eurasia with Africa and the Americas is the vision of the future, and Russia is a key partner in implementing that ambitious win-win project for global peace and prosperity.
This vision stands in stark contrast to the prevailing Western capitalist paradigm which operates through dominance, control and exploitation for American and European profiteering. That kind of centuries-old system necessarily involves imperialist conduct whereby natural resources of foreign nations are commandeered by brute military force, conflict, subjugation, subterfuge, skulduggery and other machinations.
The multipolar vision of global relations advocated by Russia and China is the nemesis of the Western imperialist system. And that explains why the Americans and their European vassals make every effort to demonize and distort Russia and China.
But the geopolitical potential of Russia and China is unstoppable. There is a force of natural justice that all nations will inevitably subscribe to as the only reasonable, feasible and sustainable way forward. It’s about people-centered development versus profit-driven disorder.
Moreover, the partnership between Russia and China is a geographer’s wonder study. Russia is the world’s largest national territory by landmass. With over 17 million square kilometers, it covers 11 time zones out of the world’s total of 24. The abundance of natural resources that Russia possesses is astounding, from reserves of natural gas, oil, metals and minerals, to forestry, agriculture and fisheries. It also can boast of highly advanced technology in multiple sectors. And it shares a long land border with China for easing trade.
Meanwhile, China has a population of 1.4 billion people, ten times that of Russia. With highly advanced technology and manufacturing, China is not only a vast market for Russian resources, it is also a gateway to the world economy. China has already become the world’s biggest economy over the United States according to some measures.
The US and Europe are post-industrial economies that are also post-peak of their prime. Their “prime” was always based on an extractive predatory relationship with the rest of the world that was predicated on inflicting conflict and poverty on others.
As China and Russia build on their strategic partnership for mutual prosperity and peace the upshot will inevitably entail the endgame for Western imperial powers which are atrophying from massive inequality, indebtedness, moral decadence and social decay.
Fortunately, too, and this is crucial, Russia and China have military defenses from new generations of hypersonic weaponry that make them impregnable against any warmongering notions by the United States. A failing empire like the US and its Western satellites is always a dangerous time as it tries to prevent the inevitable collapse, but starting a war with Russia and China is not an option.
https://sputniknews.com/columnists/202106291083266685-russia-china-the-endgame/
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Russia shows how to be a resource supplier without being a banana republic. People how think Russia will become China's colony
are idiots. China is also not a western style colonialist so what we have is natural trade and not exploitation. China is and will
be a much more reliable trading partner for Russia than U-rope and the yanquis.
are idiots. China is also not a western style colonialist so what we have is natural trade and not exploitation. China is and will
be a much more reliable trading partner for Russia than U-rope and the yanquis.
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Well, as long as you watch the original discussion, Jinping was much more restrained in his statements than Putin 
But he is that kind of a guy, so ...
Still, we must consider it as combined with MCIS summit in Moscow.
Chinese delegation official statements were much more aggressive.
Actually, they stated just the same as Russians.
But he is that kind of a guy, so ...
Still, we must consider it as combined with MCIS summit in Moscow.
Chinese delegation official statements were much more aggressive.
Actually, they stated just the same as Russians.
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Huh? The EU was at the forefront in stoking and supporting the Ukrainian maidan, even betraying Russia after agreeing to accept an interim solution before elections were due
Lets be honest about what took place the EU created the whole situation in the first place... the core of the issue was whether the Ukraine would swing to Europe or to Russia/China... but it was the EU offer that was exclusive and required the Russian/Chinese offer was not accepted as well.
There were no such limitations on the Russian or Chinese offers... in fact at the moment you could say that with the Ukraine failing to step in line with their new European and American best buddies and vote against China regarding their alleged human rights abuses that the Ukraine has realised the EU and US want to get better relations with Russia because they want Russian support against China... the Ukraine does not want anything to do with Russia just now but sees China as really the only outside party that made any effort to buy their products or take an interest in helping their economy... loans don't help in the long term, and of course the military aide the west has supplied them has essentially undermined their own military production capacity and MIC.
Potentially the Ukraine could have accepted all the investment offers... from Russia, from China, and from the EU, but the EU demanded their deal be exclusive so of course they chose the much better deals offered from Russia and from China and the EU destroyed their country because of that choice.
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The quisling regime in Khuyiv clearly attacked Chinese commercial investment when it sabotaged the purchase of Motor-Sich (or some other
substantial enterprise). The regime acts to serve its bosses in Washington and London. Any "falling out" with these bosses is pure
posturing. The only way "Ukraine" will act in its own interests is there is regime change there.
substantial enterprise). The regime acts to serve its bosses in Washington and London. Any "falling out" with these bosses is pure
posturing. The only way "Ukraine" will act in its own interests is there is regime change there.
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Bullshit! Sputnik and its usual garbage.Kiko wrote:China is not only a vast market for Russian resources, it is also a gateway to the world economy.
China never was a gateway to the world economy. China floods other countries with Chinese products but has erected massive entry barriers for foreign countries.
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Any resilient economy can not be heavily dependent on export or imports, as has been shown. Trump sanction on China nearly bankrupted the American soy farmers. Nations with greatest degree of self sufficiency in production and consumption will remain intact in difficult times. Any trade to be useful, needs to increase mutual national self sufficiency and not decrease it. Good trade is therefore one that is progressively self diminishing, in both exports and imports.
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U.N. General Assembly vote
Full list of countries that voted against:
-Russia
-Belarus
-North Korea
-Eritrea
-Syria
Full list of countries that abstained:
-Algeria
-Angola
-Armenia
-Bangladesh
-Bolivia
-Burundi
-Central African Republic
-China
-Congo
-Cuba
-El Salvador
-Equatorial Guinea
-India
-Iran
-Iraq
-Kazakhstan
-Kyrgyzstan
-Laos
-Madagascar
-Mali
-Mongolia
-Mozambique
-Namibia
-Nicaragua
-Pakistan
-Senegal
-South Africa
-South Sudan
-Sri Lanka
-Sudan
-Tajikistan
-Tanzania
-Uganda
-Vietnam
-Zimbabwe
No vote recorded:
-Azerbaijan
-Burkina Faso
-Cameroon
-Eswatini
-Ethiopia
-Guinea
-Guinea-Bissau
-Morocco
-Togo
-Turkmenistan
-Uzbekistan
- Venezuela
Full list of countries that voted against:
-Russia
-Belarus
-North Korea
-Eritrea
-Syria
Full list of countries that abstained:
-Algeria
-Angola
-Armenia
-Bangladesh
-Bolivia
-Burundi
-Central African Republic
-China
-Congo
-Cuba
-El Salvador
-Equatorial Guinea
-India
-Iran
-Iraq
-Kazakhstan
-Kyrgyzstan
-Laos
-Madagascar
-Mali
-Mongolia
-Mozambique
-Namibia
-Nicaragua
-Pakistan
-Senegal
-South Africa
-South Sudan
-Sri Lanka
-Sudan
-Tajikistan
-Tanzania
-Uganda
-Vietnam
-Zimbabwe
No vote recorded:
-Azerbaijan
-Burkina Faso
-Cameroon
-Eswatini
-Ethiopia
-Guinea
-Guinea-Bissau
-Morocco
-Togo
-Turkmenistan
-Uzbekistan
- Venezuela
miketheterrible- Posts : 7383
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Based Korea at it again bois.
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which country is "Eswatini"??
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Swazilland changed its name.George1 wrote:which country is "Eswatini"??
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They can't help it can they...
India should announce it is imposing sanctions on the US for its vote in the UN on Ukraine... If the US wants India to be a partner then it has to vote the same way India votes or else... or does that only work for the US and the word partner is the wrong word... slave?
India should announce it is imposing sanctions on the US for its vote in the UN on Ukraine... If the US wants India to be a partner then it has to vote the same way India votes or else... or does that only work for the US and the word partner is the wrong word... slave?
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