Serbia’s relations with EU and NATO

I would assume that the West's plans are to first make Vucic literally lick their shoes and then introduce occupation forces into Serbia. For example, under the pretext of some kind of collisions, I don't even know where they could happen. Oh, wait! Maybe in Kosovo?

Serbia now looks like a tempting opportunity to demonstrate what will happen to ANY European country that does not follow the instructions from Washington. And, you know, this whole political line "we will be between Russia and Europe, respecting our interests" - this rather contributed to an increase in risks than if there were Russian military bases on the territory of Serbia, as in Transnistria or something like that. However, this is only my opinion, you may disagree with him. Nothing can change, I can only guess how events may develop further.

sepheronx wrote:While it is understandable for Serbia to try and sit on two seats, eventually it will fall, hard.

Alternative is to sit on NATO chair so Russians are free to pick which option they like more

sepheronx wrote:That said, Serbia should be looking at this situation now and exerting itself even more, knowing that the threat that is NATO isn't in the condition to fight two fronts.

They are in more than condition to fight war on this front

Scorpius wrote:I would assume that the West's plans are to first make Vucic literally lick their shoes and then introduce occupation forces into Serbia....

You may want to keep your opinions to yourself and focus on your own shit because so far you have seriously failed to perform

And pay your bills you cheap losers

Podlodka77 wrote:To Scorpius

Here I am openly writing to you that I would request asylum in Russia or Belarus, and even China...

You should try grovelling harder because I don't think they are sufficiently impressed

flamming_python wrote:Which option do you like more?

Option of getting teleported somewhere in South Pacific and to exist as isolated tropical island away from all this bullshit

But that's not a realistic option just as the one that you would like is not realistic

flamming_python wrote:What right do they have to dictate what you can and can't do ...

The right of ''We can exterminate you at will''

It's actually pretty cool when it's you who have it, you should try it sometimes (Tip: it's not for pussies)

flamming_python wrote:...within the framework of national sovereignty and international law?

We learned decades ago that these two fairytales are complete horseshit, especially the latter

Only morons are stupid enough to fall for it in this day and age

flamming_python wrote:We're in no hurry.

Well then neither are we with doing what you want

Well, if you weren't such an ungrateful **** that you are, then you wouldn't even have written what you wrote.
We are the only country in Europe that has not imposed sanctions on you, you asshole.

The quote he posted shows the leader of Serbia stating that they have no use for Russian MiG-29s because they can't get them serviced due to sanctions so they might have to buy Rafales... in such a situation Serbia must be part of the anti Russian sanctions or they could get parts and support for their MiGs.

Wondering how long they will hold on to their MiGs is a valid question.

The West not only wants Serbia to impose sanctions on Russia, but the West also wants Serbia to recognize Kosovo.

The west is never happy so even if you did both there would still be some problem...

Then ask yourself what would happen in Serbia if some government tried to push something like that.
That's nonsense man.

What did the Hungarians think about radical elements in their country bypassing their countries neutrality and sending enormous amounts of weapons and fuel and ammo and equipment from their own stocks to Kiev the first 6 months of the conflict... well not much, because they didn't know.

Please clean up this thread.

What do you expect me to do?

This thread is about Serbias relations with the EU and HATO, so this is relevant... if unpleasant.

Option of getting teleported somewhere in South Pacific and to exist as isolated tropical island away from all this bullshit

But that's not a realistic option just as the one that you would like is not realistic

Didn't know you cared...

The right of ''We can exterminate you at will''

Last time they tried it was a bit of a stalemate that they tricked Russia into solving for them.

Can't see that working again.

It's actually pretty cool when it's you who have it, you should try it sometimes (Tip: it's not for pussies)

You have to be a heartless inhuman bastard for it to be usable... that is why only the nazis and the western europeans have bothered to use it.

Mig were delivered and given free. They paid for maintenance which is nothing compare to buying a western aircraft. Let's see how you will maintain a rafale if you can't even buy a mig. Get a squadron of upgraded jets with nice ARH missiles and air to ground missiles for the price of one rafale and still cry for more and praise west meanwhile westerns haven't delivered dumb manpads after 1 year.

you make them sound like India.... India spends 8.4 billion on 36 Rafale fighter aircraft, but complain that they got an aircraft carrier with 14 MiG-29Ks and half a dozen helicopters including Ka-31s for 2.4 billion.

The original price was 700K for the carrier and 700K for the air component but after taking the ship apart they added 1 billion to the price to replace all the piping and wiring and propulsion... they could have just sold it to them for 1.4 billion and left the old shitty plumbing and wiring in place and it would have been a nightmare that stayed in dock because of problems and then eventually the decision would be taken to either scrap it or take it out of service and redo all the pipes and wires... which probably would have cost 2 billion, but lets ignore a bargain and complain anyway.

For the rest, you can get it by renting a cargo plane. EU closed their airspace to russian planes, not serbians. Get a plane from China and send it take your stuff that you bought in Russia. You will get it.

Buying a couple of Il-476s would be useful anyway... HATO are always short of transports and you could rent them to them and make good money when it suits you.

Worried about its own neighborhood, Belgrade is also importing whatever it can, including a bid for Rafale fighter jets from France. According to Vucic, a contract with the Emirates for kamikaze drones should be signed later this week

[url=Serbia warns ‘everyone is preparing for war’ https://www.rt.com/news/571864-serbia-weapons-nato-ukraine/]Serbia warns ‘everyone is preparing for war’ https://www.rt.com/news/571864-serbia-weapons-nato-ukraine/[/url]

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Looks like they are looking into it.
If this keeps up, Serbia is gonna have a Maidan.

well, probably the Serbian government will really bend soon, if they haven't already done it:


Moscow is closely monitoring media reports that Serbian ammunition is allegedly supplied to Kiev. This is reported in the response of the official representative of the Russian Foreign Ministry Maria Zakharova to the relevant question of the media. According to her, the Russian Federation is deeply concerned about the incoming information, it is necessary that the reaction be based on facts.


P.S. I really want to remind some fierce Serbs here that I am not blaming either you or the Serbian people for what the Serbian government is doing (or not doing). (before you arrange another series of drama here)

Zastava had already been supplying weapons to the US supported forces in Syria, so this is just more of the same.
I expect better from the Serbs in this case though. It is one thing not being able to help Russia, quite another to cooperate with the US with regards to the conflict in Ukraine.

And how do you expect anyone to check supply chain with dozen intermediaries after delivery to customer who pays in advance and has all the permits and paperwork anyone could possibly ask of them?

Also when Americans and their dudes buy (or sell) something they show up in person with their own airplanes ready to start loading/unloading

Anything the Yanks buy from Serbia is going to be for the Ukraine I'm afraid, not for Afghanistan or the Syrian Islamists

Even if you are wrong, and it does go to Afghanistan (ISIS) or Syria (ISIS or Kurds) it is still going to terrorists.

I wouldn't blame Serbia making money... maybe Russia should order the ammo they are selling to the US... they might use it themselves or sell/give to Syria or anyone they please but it means Serbian companies make money but their products remain out of unsafe hands...

This shipment went to Turkish company, which was buying ammo before. They were listed as end user. Serbia is selling ammo to many buyers, especially in developing countries. It is easiest thing in the world to register company in Jordan with all licenses and ship ammunition to Ukraine from there. As it happened with the plane that fell in Greece. Jordan is in US pocket.  Ammunition could go through Cyprus, Iraq or Kenya, for example. They all bought Serbian weaponry and are legit customers. And are easy countries for USA to persuade.

As for Russia buying ammo, this is completely unrealistic solution. There's no way this ammo could be delivered to Russia to begin with. I'm sure US and allies are aware of any and every contract and flight that leaves the country. Closing airspace would take minutes.
Not to mention, possible sanctions and economic loss for Serbia from it.
You guys are on some kind of crusade here, but in real life, these measures are impossible to apply.
I think that it is more than enough that we didn't introduce any sanctions, planes are still flying and there is over 200k Russians in the country.

OK they don't need to actually make the ammo... just pay them for the ammo they could have made and not make it and not sell it to anyone else.... right now it does not really matter who they sell it to, as you say the west likely wont let them deliver ammo or weapons to anyone they can't then bully to send it to Kiev, so don't make anything and get paid for it... make inert ammo... or training ammo and then even if the west goes in there and tries to seize it it will be of no use... this is also a way of helping Serbia too because they will earn good money with a clear conscience that it wont be misused.

How about Russia deliver the merchandise they received money for instead of bitching?

You love making money but have problems when other people do it? Fùck off

We sell ammo in accordance to laws and regulations, what customers do with THEIR ammo after they receive it is their business