Arctic rush

flamming_python wrote:I wouldn't say Norway is hostile, nor Sweden and Finland - to the NSR.

The Swedes are already planning to build a railway to Norway so that they can export iron ore to Asia via the NSR.

You really should read up on the subject. Norway is without any doubt is hostile to Russia. Yet another sanctimonious
hole like Sweden, badly in need of more no go zones thanks to the succoring of ISIS terrorists.

I don't see the need for any participation by Iceland, Norway or any other hostile NATO-aligned state in the NSR. By
the time the ships using the NSR reach the Barents Sea, there is no more ice, year round. They can just continue on to their
target ports. If they need re-fueling, then they could do that at Murmansk or some new facility on the Kola peninsula and
would be able to reach any European port. Neither Iceland nor Norway own the North Atlantic and their territorial waters
do not control shipping.

@kvs x2.

Russia needs to reward cooperation at a time of hostility to Russia because it is Russia.

To enhance this reward, they need to not reward non-cooperation... they don't need to be dicks like the US and punish non cooperation, because lets face it... they have no moral or political obligation to cooperate with Russia so them choosing not to should not be reason for Russia to actively punish them. but equally they should not reward that either.

Russia should be friendly and cooperate with anyone who will cooperate, but there is no need to be friendly to countries that actively work against them, or choose not to cooperate.

Punishing countries that don't want to cooperate is counter productive because they might want to cooperate on other things so punishing them for not cooperating is bullying.

Rewarding countries that don't cooperate is just as stupid.

kvs wrote:I don't see the need for any participation by Iceland, Norway or any other hostile NATO-aligned state in the NSR.

No technically speaking they don't need them. But they would like to significantly increase the amount of cargo that transits via the NSR in the coming years, so it would help to have more countries involved

Cyberspec wrote:

kvs wrote:I don't see the need for any participation by Iceland, Norway or any other hostile NATO-aligned state in the NSR.

No technically speaking they don't need them. But they would like to significantly increase the amount of cargo that transits via the NSR in the coming years, so it would help to have more countries involved

The volume of shipping through the NSR will increase out of pure fuel costs minimization. No special deals and port facilities are needed besides those
in Russia itself since that is where the sea ice is going to be a factor year-round and the only country that will have the ice breaker fleet to maintain
the NSR. The Bering Strait and the Barents Sea should not he considered as part of the NSR since there is no support needed in these ice free
regions.

Obviously Russia is not imposing restrictions on NSR shipping, so why should trash like Norway have any say?

kvs wrote:

Obviously Russia is not imposing restrictions on NSR shipping, so why should trash like Norway have any say?

Didn't they say only Russian flagged ships will be allowed to sail? or was that only in their territorial waters?

The government of Norway said they won´t support the NSR because of global warming.

Didn't they say only Russian flagged ships will be allowed to sail? or was that only in their territorial waters?

Along the entire NSR only oil/gas tankers & loaded with coal; all others except naval can transit under any flag.

US Arctic Doctrine: Northern Sea Route to be Blocked
https://ria.ru/20191018/1559911797.html

Hole wrote:The government of Norway said they won´t support the NSR because of global warming.

hahaha... yeah, cuz having bulk carriers of all stripes engage in ~1 month of extra sailing under power (and burning all that extra fuel oil) is going to have a positive impact?  

What a bunch of pathetic satraps....  Murikkka snaps its fingers and its little dogs whine on command.

Fuck the Norwegians.


Edit: BTW do you have any evidence for this alleged stance by the Norges? I'm guessing that whatever form this objection takes is likely to be the empty hot air from some gubbermint sock puppet, little more than making pleasant noises to entertain our corrupt NWO elites.

It was in the news here in Germany a few weeks ago. The prime minister or some other official in Norway said that. It´s ridiculous, of course. And only the stance of the government, the business community will continue to work with Russia.

Russia’s defense ministry draws bottom contour map to back Russia’s Arctic shelf bid

According to the Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Navy, the map’s scale allows to identify, categorize and determine key characteristics of the bottom contour

ST. PETERSBURG, October 18. /TASS/. Russia’s defense ministry has drawn a highly accurate bottom contour map to establish the outer border of Russia’s continental shelf in the Arctic Ocean, Russian defense ministry spokesman Igor Dygalo said on Friday, citing Russia’s Navy commander, Nikolai Yevmenov.

The man was presented by Yevmenov at a session of the Russian government’s Maritime Collegium in St. Petersburg on Friday.

Addressing the Collegium, Russian Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Borisov said that the defense ministry had obtained new exhaustive evidence that the Arctic Ocean’s shelf belonged to Russia. He said that the United Nations commission would consider them at its meeting in February.

"The new materials have made it possible to draw a vivid and detailed bottom contour model in the context of Russia’s bid for establishing the external border of Russia’s continental shelf. An electronic bathymetric map is a unique product drawn on the basis of the digital bathymetric database. The map’s scale allows to identify, categorize and determine key characteristics of the bottom contour, such as continental shelf, continental slope, and continental slope foot, with a high degree of accuracy," Dygalo quoted Yevmenov as saying.

Specialists from the Russian defense ministry’s navigation and oceanography directorate and the Navy’s cartographical division have created a digital base of bathymetric data for the central part of the Arctic Basin. "The bathymetric database has been drawn based on actual measurements only," he said.

Hydrographical and geophysical surveys involved Russian Navy ships, research and hydrographic vessels, nuclear-powered and diesel icebreakers, and civil aviation groups.

Russia’s application for establishing the external border of Russia’s continental shelf in the Arctic Ocean was submitted to the UN Commission on the Limits of the Continental Shelf (CLCS) in August 2015. There have been eleven meetings of the commission since.

Extra arguments were requested at these meetings to back up the continental nature of certain structural elements of the Arctic basin, including the geological and geophysical proof of the geological history of the Lomonosov Ridge.

https://tass.com/defense/1084042

Tsavo Lion wrote:RUSSIA UNVEILS 'UNIQUE' WEAPONIZED ICEBREAKER AS IT EYES ARCTIC OIL AND GAS

Putting quotes around the word unique makes Newsweek look like a retard outfit. But then, it actually is a retard propaganda outfit.

Of course they are weaponising the arctic... because NATO bases in the Arctic grow flowers and help penguins... nothing military there at all.

Really love their salty tears.

The amusing thing is that their like dislike voting system for comments is open to anyone so I went through and thumbs up all the pro russian posts... or at least the non anti Russian ones.

The comment about quality control meaning this icebreaker wont last long got a negative vote from me... but really I should be rewarding that sort of stupidity...

Technically the current US icebreaker is unique too... because they only have one.

Wonder how many billions of dollars they will waste building more hoping they can get in on the action... but they will need permission to enter Russian waters... which might or might not be given... considering their treatment of Russian citizens I would say no.

GarryB wrote:Technically the current US icebreaker is unique too... because they only have one.

Wonder how many billions of dollars they will waste building more hoping they can get in on the action... but they will need permission to enter Russian waters... which might or might not be given... considering their treatment of Russian citizens I would say no.

They are thinking like it is around 1900 and they can send their gunboats (rusty icebreaker) to Russia's shores and cower it into
submission like some banana republic. Hubris and willful, delusional ignorance makes people into morons.

Yeah, and evil Russia eyes arctic oil and gas... that is on his own territory.

..and help penguins...

they don't live there, only in & around the Antarctic.
Russia/China should just demand free access to the NW Passage, like the US done- & Canada will have the absolute right to deny it. Then the US will have the taste of its own medicine. OTH, I won't be surprised if Trump or his successor will offer to by all those Canadian Arctic islands.

Wonder how many billions of dollars they will waste building more hoping they can get in on the action...

They r mulling stopping/reducing building CVNs; that shipyard can easily switch to building & refueling nuclear icebreakers that btw will be a lot less costly.
https://www.janes.com/article/92201/as-ford-finishes-trials-usn-considers-jfk-delivery-changes

they don't live there, only in & around the Antarctic.

Dude... I know... we have Penguins here in New Zealand... when you are pretending to save the world you pretend all sorts of things... or do you believe the US invasion of Iraq was to save the world... or western sanctions on Iran are to save the world from terrorism...

GarryB wrote:..do you believe the US invasion of Iraq was to save the world... or western sanctions on Iran are to save the world from terrorism...

no, I don't!
Will the US continue to buy Greenland
Representatives of the Pentagon and the US State Department visited Denmark

https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2772841.html

Update: the US may put BMs there- https://www.readto.ru/?utm_source=politros&utm_medium=24smi&u=https%3A%2F%2Fpolitros.com%2F154426-zhelanie-ssha-kupit-grenlandiyu-vyglyadit-kak-popytka-ispolzovat-ee-protiv-rossii%3Futm_source%3D24smi%26utm_medium%3Dreferral%26utm_term%3D2152%26utm_content%3D2547500%26utm_campaign%3D2645

Arctic Military Vector

http://nvo.ng.ru/armament/2019-11-15/3_1070_patrol.html?print=Y

http://www.ng.ru/world/2019-11-14/1_6_7727_grenlandia.html?print=Y

US Air Force prepares F-35 pilots for operations in the Arctic
http://nvo.ng.ru/nvoevents/2019-11-27/100_191127f35.html?print=Y

Tsavo Lion wrote:Arctic Military Vector

http://nvo.ng.ru/armament/2019-11-15/3_1070_patrol.html?print=Y

http://www.ng.ru/world/2019-11-14/1_6_7727_grenlandia.html?print=Y

You do realize this is English language forum?

Unless you provide proper description and summary of stuff you link to nobody will be bothering with it