PAK-FA, T-50: News #2

magnumcromagnon wrote:
A waste of time and money ?...Hardly, the technology developed for the Type 30 engines alone would be worth the program cost, fitting Mig-31BM's with a fully developed Type 30 engines as wells as the nose mounted X-band AESA, and the leading edge L-band AESA could increase the useful lifespan of those birds by additional 20 years if their airframes are kept in good shape.

The great question is :
Can Russia afford it ? In my view, Russia cannot afford it, neither US nowadays. You will developp a fighter, where only 30% of its fleet is ready in the best case, but in the reality around 10% are ready. F-22 is optimized only against poor third world countries, not against Russia, China or India.
Around 50 billions $ -it is not small amount of money, it is not nothing. - for the Pak T-50. Moreover, the AESA radar technology is not US origin, it is japanese origin. The PESA radar if I remember was soviet origin. Why must Russia follow US failling path ?
Thrust engine if I remember, Russia is still the leader, no use to mention air to air missiles, the final decisive moment in fight is still dogfight, regarding that Russia, is not the last.
Why will have Russia to follow the same F-22, and F-35's disastrous path ?

nemrod wrote:

magnumcromagnon wrote:
A waste of time and money ?...Hardly, the technology developed for the Type 30 engines alone would be worth the program cost, fitting Mig-31BM's with a fully developed Type 30 engines as wells as the nose mounted X-band AESA, and the leading edge L-band AESA could increase the useful lifespan of those birds by additional 20 years if their airframes are kept in good shape.

The great question is :
Can Russia afford it ? In my view, Russia cannot afford it, neither US nowadays. You will developp a fighter, where only 30% of its fleet is ready in the best case, but in the reality around 10% are ready. F-22 is optimized only against poor third world countries, not against Russia, China or India.
Around 50 billions $ -it is not small amount of money, it is not nothing. - for the Pak T-50. Moreover, the AESA radar technology is not US origin, it is japanese origin. The PESA radar if I remember was soviet origin. Why must Russia follow US failling path ?
Thrust engine if I remember, Russia is still the leader, no use to mention air to air missiles, the final decisive moment in fight is still dogfight, regarding that Russia, is not the last.
Why will have Russia to follow the same F-22, and F-35's disastrous path ?

What makes you think the PAK FA program is automatically heading towards disaster? Why don't we just look at satellite guided warheads: The U.S. developed GPS guidance for warheads first, and they ended up creating shells that cost $50-80,000 per shell, while Russia created GLONASS guided shells that only cost additional $1,000 per shell. Thats easily 50-80 times cheaper than the U.S. equivalent, and the PAK FA is designed to be stealthy, but not to the point of sacrificing all other aspects of the fighter plane. Do you really think that Su-35 just developed out of nowhere? It's a product that took several decades of experimentation and solutions, to develop the plane in to what it is today. Lets just look at aircrafts developed in the 1950's and then compare it to now. Over time the problems with stealth planes will have been overcome with smarter and better solutions.

Something is happening

Nice, it's said to be static test airframe T-50-7. Looks like it has metal cowlings for the engines. Wonder what other changes it has.

mack8 wrote:Nice, it's said to be static test airframe T-50-7. Looks like it has metal cowlings for the engines. Wonder what other changes it has.

and some more news from bmpd blog

In Zhukovsky delivered new prototype T-50 ground tests

With English subtitles

Nice, now hopefully during this year Russia and India will come to understanding to advance the project to the next stage

Russia, India Complete Draft Project for Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft

Russia and India have completed preliminary design fighter FGFA

This was in the program "General Staff", "Russian news service," said Regional Director for International Cooperation of the United Aircraft Corporation Andrew Marshankin. According to him, "already have the documentation and understanding of the scope of the next stage of design."
Other details regarding the export version FGFA representative of the KLA did not disclose, reports Lenta.ru. Meanwhile, Marshankin said that most likely the Indian version FGFA will double in contrast to the single Russian T-50. This need is due to the fact that "in the harsh conditions of modern warfare is extremely difficult to simultaneously maneuver and fire on the enemy."
In the development of promising fighter FGFA involved a Russian company "Dry" and India's Hindustan Aeronautics Limited. The share of India's participation in the project was set at 40 percent. Two-seater FGFA will be armed with the Indian guided missile Astra, and supersonic cruise missile "Brahmos" joint development with Russia.

PAK-FA cannon being tested on Su-30SM

Russian fifth-generation aircraft T-50 cannons will get better

Russia and India have agreed to accelerate the implementation of the project to create a fifth generation fighter - media
01/22/2015 18:14:45
Delhi. January 22. Interfax-AVN - India questioned the feasibility of a new R & D project of the fifth-generation fighter, as this may lead to delays in timing of this aircraft into service.
"India agreed to accelerate the implementation of the project to create a fifth generation fighter with Russia," - said the Indian news portal NDTV, Commenting the results of the visit of Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu in Delhi.
According to the publication, in the course of negotiations, the Indian side expressed its doubts about the advisability of signing a contract to conduct R & D on new fifth-generation fighter, taking into account the fact that some of his prototypes - Single PAK FA - is already being tested in Russia.
Under the contract signed in 2012, each party must make under $ 5.5 billion on research and development project, including the development, infrastructure, building prototypes and conducting their flight tests.
NDTV also notes that India's Defense Minister Manohar Parrikar in the negotiations expressed their strong desire to take a new fighter for the Air Force in India much earlier than originally designated date of commencement of supply - 2024 - 2025 years.
India plans to build 127 new fighter aircraft factory Aviation Corporation Hindustan Aeronautics Limited in Nashik. The cost of the project to create a new fighter is estimated at $ 25 billion.

hmm any updates on PAKFA's avionics suite ?

would love to hear more about PAKFA's AESA and perhaps image of PAKFA opening her nose

Stealthflanker wrote:hmm any updates on PAKFA's avionics suite ?

would love to hear more about PAKFA's AESA and perhaps image of PAKFA opening her nose

I'd kill to see that too, but let's be honest, it will not be anything intersting (aside from RAM application). We know how NIIPs AESA face looks like.

TR1 wrote:

Stealthflanker wrote:hmm any updates on PAKFA's avionics suite ?

would love to hear more about PAKFA's AESA and perhaps image of PAKFA opening her nose

I'd kill to see that too, but let's be honest, it will not be anything intersting (aside from RAM application). We know how NIIPs AESA face looks like.

Would be nice to see a PAKFA version of Vitebsk with DIRCM's that probably could also work as painters for targets for Morphei Anti Missile Missile capabilities.

Werewolf wrote:

TR1 wrote:

Stealthflanker wrote:hmm any updates on PAKFA's avionics suite ?

would love to hear more about PAKFA's AESA and perhaps image of PAKFA opening her nose

I'd kill to see that too, but let's be honest, it will not be anything intersting (aside from RAM application). We know how NIIPs AESA face looks like.

Would be nice to see a PAKFA version of Vitebsk with DIRCM's that probably could also work as painters for targets for Morphei Anti Missile Missile capabilities.

PAK-FA already had mockups/test articles of DIRCM, in the locations that otherwise were fitted with IRST/DAS like modules. Very intersting but it seems like they are serious about putting DIRCM on it from the start. Won't be Vitebsk though, something entirely new.

EDIT: 101KS-O, wasn't it? Too lazy to check right now.

Date is fixed sealed and .... farely close

Air Force Commander: new fighters T-50 will enter the army from 2016

T-50 for Iran and South Korea?

I really hope not, especially for South Korea which is US vassal, they will without doubt get their hands on it.

Werewolf wrote:I really hope not, especially for South Korea which is US vassal, they will without doubt get their hands on it.

I can see US Gov bribing an Indian pilot with 300 millions USD $ and a nice apartment in miami to defect with their Pak-FA to pakistan so they get their hands on it..  Historically US have stolen many Russian planes in the past to learn everything about its technology  and Russia do nothing to avoid that. So how much time it will take USA to steal a pak-fa?  no even 1 year.. after any foreign nation gets one.

I won't take anything from Deviant art related to arms info really seriously.

That chart above is clearly fan-art.

Nonetheless some (perhaps) Lots of ppl out there will think it's real.

Vann7 wrote:

Werewolf wrote:I really hope not, especially for South Korea which is US vassal, they will without doubt get their hands on it.

I can see US Gov bribing an Indian pilot with 300 millions USD $ and a nice apartment in miami to defect with their Pak-FA to pakistan so they get their hands on it..  Historically US have stolen many Russian planes in the past to learn everything about its technology  and Russia do nothing to avoid that. So how much time it will take USA to steal a pak-fa?  no even 1 year.. after any foreign nation gets one.

so thats why it will be a dual -seater?