Russia - Algeria military contracts

In 2011 it became known that the Algerian side acquired additional batch of T-90SA of 120 machines.

And last year, it became known procurement plans another 180 machines, however, according to some, it is already a more advanced version of T-90cm

Viktor wrote:WoW nice going Algeria   

- 6 Mi-26T2
- 42 Mi-28N
- modernization of 39 Mi-8AMTSh

Total contract value = 2.7 bin $

mack8 wrote:And apparently that's not all, i found the original article where all this info is coming from, and they also talk about possibly another order for Su-30, but this time, an export derivative of the Su-30SM, rather than the original MKA. The SM adds among other things, improved radar, RVV-MD and RVV-SD missiles, and allegedly, more powerful engines according to rumours ( 13,500-14,000kgf Izd. 99SM ?), and imo even a western MAWS system like on MKM is possible, so it will be significantly improved in capability. And not only that but it appears the plans are to have close to 100 (!) Su-30s in service or on order by 2016! Are we looking at 24-48 Su-32 and at least 48 Su-30MKA2 ?!
http://secret-difa3.blogspot.co.uk/2013/10/gaid-salah-moscou-pour-finaliser-le.html

TR1 wrote:The engines, are from Ukraine, so yeah it is a potential problem. Unless Russia drives into East Ukraine however I don't see Motor-Sich wanting any delays whatsoever. This is their livelyhood.

472-kbh wrote:Is it reasonable to assume that Russia would have already secured a batch of engines (sold to Russia) before the crisis ?

472-kbh wrote:Thank you for the answers, but please permit me to insist on Ukrainian suspension of military cooperation with Russia. If we believe an internet source (I'm still new to have a right to post a link) The Military cooperation is suspended from Ukrainian side (declaration made by Ukrainian First Deputy Prime Minister Vitaly Yarema)

Viktor wrote:

472-kbh wrote:Thank you for the answers, but please permit me to insist on Ukrainian suspension of military cooperation with Russia. If we believe an internet source (I'm still new to have a right to post a link) The Military cooperation is suspended from Ukrainian side (declaration made by Ukrainian First Deputy Prime Minister Vitaly Yarema)

Military cooperation is still not suspended. First vice-premier of Ukraine Vitaly Yarema announced intentionto do so.

Anyway Russia has ordes for helicopter engines worth 1.2 bin $ (for the next 5 years) and Ukraine needs that money much more than penalty for breaking up contract.

But in worst case scenarion not all is black either because you have JSC Klimov which produced helicopter engines

"JSC" Klimov - Helicopter program


For some time now Russia has been runing active program of replacement Ukranian helicopter engines

Ukraine will lose control of the Russian helicopter industry

because of what in the near future all Russian produced helicopter will have Russian produced engines. Even now all Russian helicopters have only Russian (Klimov) produced engines

- VK-2500.

On December 18, 2012, at Shuvalovo at the production facility of Klimov, a United Engine Corporation subsidiary, the company began testing VK-2500 helicopter engine, the first to be built entirely of Russian parts.

As part of implementation of the development strategy for the Russian aviation industry, in 2013 Klimov plans to launch 50 VK-2500 engines made from Russian parts, and by 2015 the production volume will increase to 500 per year.

Werewolf wrote:Mi-24VM2 (Mi-35M), Mi-8MT/AMTsch/17s, Mi-28 and Ka-50/52/32 all use since a few years VK-2500 engines, so i don't know whats the problem.


http://klimov.ru/en/production/helicopter/VK-2500/

Its the standard helicopter engines since 2008 for attack helicopters and mi-8s and similiar class helicopters.

Viktor wrote:As if they knew   


UEC begins testing VK-2500, the first helicopter engine from Russian parts



18.12.2012

On December 18, 2012, at Shuvalovo at the production facility of Klimov, a United Engine Corporation subsidiary, the company began testing VK-2500 helicopter engine, the first to be built entirely of Russian parts.

As part of implementation of the development strategy for the Russian aviation industry, in 2013 Klimov plans to launch 50 VK-2500 engines made from Russian parts, and by 2015 the production volume will increase to 500 per year.

so no delays ...

TR1 wrote:





Wait, wait.
All Russian helicopters have Klimov engines?

Viktor put down the pipe man

Only now have the Ka-52 and Mi-28 have been converted to Russian engines. And even for those alone is it dubious if Klimov output can cover domestic and export orders- though that is a matter of time, no serious obstacle.
Mi-8s/17s - Ukraine.
Mi-26- Ukraine.
Mi-35- Ukraine.

Many of the engines "made in Russia" are shipped from Ukraine and slapped with a "Klimov" sticker.
Not a big issue with planes, only the Antonovs really use Ukranian parts and engines.
With helicopters though, whole nother issue.

TheArmenian wrote:

TR1 wrote:





Wait, wait.
All Russian helicopters have Klimov engines?

Viktor put down the pipe man

Only now have the Ka-52 and Mi-28 have been converted to Russian engines. And even for those alone is it dubious if Klimov output can cover domestic and export orders- though that is a matter of time, no serious obstacle.
Mi-8s/17s - Ukraine.
Mi-26- Ukraine.
Mi-35- Ukraine.

Many of the engines "made in Russia" are shipped from Ukraine and slapped with a "Klimov" sticker.
Not a big issue with planes, only the Antonovs really use Ukranian parts and engines.
With helicopters though, whole nother issue.

Doesn't the engines of the Yak-130 use Ukrainian engines?