New Russian heavy ICBM - Sarmatian

gaurav wrote:Users who know Russian .. etc can they translate what is written in the first 2 paragraphs of the SARMAT ICBM poster

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Sarmat: Russian strategic rocket complex of the 5th generation and silo based

The rocket is 2 stage with a block to deliver combat blocks. Liquid rocket engines are "sunk" into the fuel tanks,
fuel tanks - carrying with collocated dividing [....]

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I don't know the final word in the 2nd paragraph and it is poorly written and confusing. Sounds like the height of the rocket
is minimized with the arrangement of engines and tanks (they must use heat shielding of some sort). Combat blocks must
be MARVs that deliver the non-ballistic glider warheads.

kvs wrote:Sarmat: Russian strategic rocket complex of the 5th generation and silo based

Thanks for the translation .. Posters cant be translated from websites ..
That is the only problem of posters .. yu need to know Russky  to complete translation ..


Liquid fuel technology seems to be the order of the day for Russky Strategic forces..

Russian media is becoming more open nowadays.. detailing optimization/packaging technology techniques ..
which the Americans can only dream about ..

I never thought Russian media would detail such critical details .. they used to do in much twisted /opaque manner ..

That solid fuel Bulava .. has a liquid fuel third stage from which the 4rth stage MARV are separated ..

kvs wrote:

gaurav wrote:Users who know Russian .. etc can they translate what is written in the first 2 paragraphs of the SARMAT ICBM poster

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Sarmat: Russian strategic rocket complex of the 5th generation and silo based

The rocket is 2 stage with a block to deliver combat blocks. Liquid rocket engines are "sunk" into the fuel tanks,
fuel tanks - carrying with collocated dividing [....]

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I don't know the final word in the 2nd paragraph and it is poorly written and confusing. Sounds like the height of the rocket
is minimized with the arrangement of engines and tanks (they must use heat shielding of some sort). Combat blocks must
be MARVs that deliver the non-ballistic glider warheads.

starting with submarine launched missiles , makeyev developed integrated engine - that is rocket engine is inside fuel tank and also had no interstage, thus reducing height and some weight .
most of engine is imersed in fuel and cooled inside fuel tank at the bottom -turbine and pipes ,only small part of nozzle is protruding outside of fuel tank in the first and second stages.

http://www.b14643.de/Spacerockets_1/East_Europe_3/Shtil/Versions/Shtil.htm

some known information from Sarmat from official/unofficial sources so far

1 ) Sarmat will weigh 20 % less compared to SS-18 , I can easily say the weight reduction is achieved via use of carbon-carbon composite over Maragning Steel of 80's SS-18.

Use of Carbon Composite means they can also achieve different range for different weight/payload ....Fuel Mass Effeciency of Carbon Composite is far far higher over Maragning steel.

2 ) Throw Up weight of 10 T for Sarmat compared to 8 T of  SS-18   ( composite afford higher weight due to weight saved )

3 ) Trajectory of North Pole/South Pole making it easier to shape trajectory SRF feels without have to worry about energy.

Liquid Fuel can afford precise trajectory shaping in its entire flight and engines can be stopped and started in flight as many times as one needs something not possible with solid fuel missile.

Isp of Liquid Fuel is higher compared to solid fuel , affording higher throwup weight.

Navalized version of the Sarmat would be an interesting possibility given Russian 5th generation subs are bound to finnish their development during 2020.

Big_Gazza wrote:A navalised version of a Sarmat? Its a 200T missile.... It require a vessel the size of Pr 941 Akula SSBN to launch the 84T R-39/SS-N-20, so what would you need to carry a naval Sarmat????

I think the weight of Skif R-29 missile is around 40 tons. Bulava weights is around 36 tons.
THe LIner which is effectively R-29RMU2 missile also weighs around 40 tons.
NO submarine can launch 84 tons of missile. All the missiles are in the same category.
Only this sarmat is in the range of 200 tons.IF it is 200T then it really is a monster no other words for that

For some reason silo missiles are seen as more vulnerable than mobile or submarine based. I think this is overblown. No first strike
can take out silo missiles unless some sabotage is done to command and control that prevents a response launch. There is plenty of time
for the silo missiles to be launched in response to a first strike attack. The response time of the Sarmat is so small that even some
attack from Poland or Romania will have no time to reach these silo missiles before they are launched.

The problem is that the delusional, hubris filled idiots in charge of the USA are beginning to believe that their ABM systems will stop
any Russian ICBMs. So no matter how good the Sarmat is they will think it isn't effective. Russia needs to target the ABM systems with
short range nuclear missiles that have very short flight times. Maybe the idiots in Washington will then not feel so comfortable in starting
a nuclear war.

This missile is a monster it cannot be stopped by any ABM .. it can carry 50 or more nuclear warheads.. so many nukes exploding on any country
would destroy the whole country ..

U.S is seriously becoming confused/madlike after a WAVE of advances in Russian missile technology.It does not know what to do.

I think this missile is a signal to U.S elections .. so that whoever comes to office may realize that a single launch will end the world as we see it ..

There is yet another missile and we dont know what that is.. yasen-m missile .. sources say that they are very heavy missiles (I mean heavy compared to submarine launched missiles ..

We yet dont know what they are.. as soon as yasen-M start coming online we may come to know .what those missiles are

The new Russian "Doomsday weapon" nears service entry

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The new Russian-made RS-28 Sarmat intercontinental ballistic missile to be operational in 2018.

The first-stage engine for Russia’s Sarmat intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) has passed firing trials, a source in the Russian defense and industrial sector told TASS. The RS-28 Sarmat is the next generation of intercontinental ballistic missile for Russian armed forces which is in development by the Makeyev Rocket Design Bureau since 2009.

The first-stage engine for Russia’s Sarmat intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) has passed firing trials, a source in the Russian defense and industrial sector told TASS. The RS-28 Sarmat is the next generation of intercontinental ballistic missile for Russian armed forces which is in development by the Makeyev Rocket Design Bureau since 2009.Information about the new Russian-made RS-28 Sarmat Intercontinental Ballistic Missile

The missile’s pop-up tests may take place in late 2016, the source added."The final stage of the firing trials was successful. Technical imperfections have been removed," the source said.

According to the source, work on the technical documentation is currently under way and is planned to be completed in November.


"According to the most optimistic forecasts, the Sarmat ICBM’s pop-up tests will be held in November-December 2016," the source added.

According to the source, even in this case, the development flight tests of the advanced intercontinental ballistic missile may start no sooner than the end of the first quarter of 2017.

According to the source, work on the Sarmat intercontinental ballistic missile is no less than seven months behind the schedule.

The Sarmat intercontinental ballistic missile is designed to replace the R-36M2 Voyevoda ICBM. The advanced missile’s payload is expected to equal ten tons, compared to 8.75 tons its predecessor has. The Sarmat ICBM is planned to be made operational in late 2018.

Source: http://www.armyrecognition.com/september_2016_global_defense_security_news_industry/the_new_russian-made_rs-28_sarmat_intercontinental_ballistic_missile_to_be_operational_in_2018_11909161.html

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So, it is already said that launch tests were postponed to later this year. 1,5-2 years after initial tests it will enter service. Not bad, not bad at all   .

Picture of RS-28 :

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2201715.html

archangelski wrote:Picture of RS-28 :

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2201715.html

I guess we will have to wait for some time before its dimensions are compared to "Satan". It looks like it has a very similar aspect
ratio. If it is shorter than the SS-18 then it must be narrower too.

Sarmat official image and specs released

http://defence-blog.com/news/russia-unveils-new-secret-sarmat-heavy-intercontinental-ballistic-missile.html

Interesting

The bottom great area is the solid fuel motor that will be like cold start throw up/gas generator to thow the missile out of silos , Pretty much big 1st 2nd and 3rd stage and 4th stage PBV is also clearly seen , quite massive and 10 T throw up weight is 2 T more then SS-18 that very high throw up weight that brings up possibility of interesting payload for comparision Topol-M throw up weight is 1.2 T

Austin wrote:Sarmat official image and specs released

http://defence-blog.com/news/russia-unveils-new-secret-sarmat-heavy-intercontinental-ballistic-missile.html

Interesting

The bottom great area is the solid fuel motor that will be like cold start throw up/gas generator to thow the missile out of silos , Pretty much big 1st 2nd and 3rd stage and 4th stage PBV is also clearly seen , quite massive and 10 T throw up weight is 2 T more then SS-18 that very high throw up weight that brings up possibility of interesting payload for comparision Topol-M throw up weight is 1.2 T

Yeah, very impressive.

archangelski wrote:Picture of RS-28 :

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2201715.html

Sarmat looks exactly like the RS-32M2.

Also, for a missile that is apparently 32m how come the weight is only 100 tons, which is half the weight of Rs-20?

jhelb wrote:

archangelski wrote:Picture of RS-28 :

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2201715.html

Sarmat looks exactly like the RS-32M2.

Also, for a missile that is apparently 32m how come the weight is only 100 tons, which is half the weight of Rs-20?

Obviously, it weighs well over 100 metric tons.

If pic isn`t disinformation, Sarmat is an advanced (r)evolution of R-36M2. After all, between R-36M2 mod.5 and Sarmat is almost 40 years of development of materials & technology.

zg18 wrote:
Obviously, it weighs well over 100 metric tons.

If pic isn`t disinformation, Sarmat is an advanced (r)evolution of R-36M2. After all, between R-36M2 mod.5 and Sarmat is almost 40 years of development of materials & technology.

Are there any pictures available of Sarmat's Project 4202 warhead?

RTN wrote:

zg18 wrote:
Obviously, it weighs well over 100 metric tons.

If pic isn`t disinformation, Sarmat is an advanced (r)evolution of R-36M2. After all, between R-36M2 mod.5 and Sarmat is almost 40 years of development of materials & technology.

Are there any pictures available of Sarmat's Project 4202 warhead?

Unfortunately no.