The Situation in the Ukraine. #2

Werewolf wrote:

GarryB wrote:
Perhaps a referendum in Alaska might be in order     

If the US is pressuring and pursuing further development of ABM in Spain and east europe Poland than Russia should invest money to install puppets into Iceland and Greenland and than install there an ABM and a referendum in Alaska and a russian ABM there would checkmate the entire US plans once and for all time.

Edit: I better add some evil smileys before you people think i am serious.
    

KomissarBojanchev wrote:The decisions of the ukrainian government are getting even more contradictivehttp://www.iarex.ru/articles/46320.html
Yatsenyuk plans to give parts of west ukraine to Poland and the population there...supports his decision with 69% approval            Then WTH was all that rheotoric about a single united ukraine. BY this move the so-called "patriotic" government will give a very large chunk of its unilaterally and they dare to call russia on "carving up ukraine". An even bigger sign of historical ignorance is the fact that they want to give arguably the most ukrainian territories to a country that formally reppressed them and ruled over them. There is something seriously wrong with the current junta. First yatsenyuk suddenly agrees with Yanukovich's original stance on the EU agreement that they so bitterly hated hime for, and now this. Its like a tragic comedy...

Today the Russian Federation had adopted all the necessary decisions for reunification with Crimea and Sevastopol. They have been approved by the Federal Assembly and President Vladimir Putin. These decisions were not easy. Political and legal evaluation of the causes of the return of historical parts of our country in the modern Russia is highly specific and at the same time emotionally was given by the head of State in his message. It does not require decryption. Therefore, as the Prime Minister of Russia and Chairman of the party "United Russia" I will mention only a few points.

The First Thing. The crisis of the Ukrainian State is not accidental. And we all had the worst experience. The political impotence of the authorities, personal weakness and indecisiveness of President Yanukovych forced the people of Ukraine to great suffering. People who are on the streets, had the right to peaceful protest against corruption and arbitrariness of the authorities. But that does not negate the fact that the seizure of power by an armed rebellion. Through violence and murder. Yanukovich has been legally dismissed. So, is the legally elected President, had been forcibly deprived of their power. And this need to understand everything. Including representatives of Maidana, sitting in the Government and the Parliament, political officials in Kiev and our Western partners. The new authorities did not have the necessary legitimacy. And what is worse-generally have no real levers of influence on the situation in the country. Power of radicals, militant thugs. They shall take the final decision. And most likely will take them and after May 25. It makes no sense to share power with others. They are the hosts in the streets and entrances to government buildings. And that is extremely dangerous. This method of control is bound to a collapse of the State. This situation contributed to the absence of normal relations between our Governments. Although, of course, working-level contacts are saved.

The Second. The people of Crimea (Russians, Ukrainians, Tatars) expressed their views in a referendum. The referendum is already history. As its solution. It is important now to think how to build a life on. In view of the prevailing political and legal realities. This applies to all. The new Government in Kiev. Guide of Western countries. Russia as a whole and its new territories. We have no one wants the aggravation of the situation. On the contrary, our goal is friendly relations with Ukraine and other neighbours of Russia. And, of course, the harmonious development of Crimea and Sevastopol in the structure of our State. This is a key challenge for the Government of our country. We will do everything for the socio-economic development of his State and his new regions.

On Monday I plan to meet with members of the Government, where we discuss the first steps towards living in the Crimea and Sevastopol. The Government needs to be a large and important work, made possible by the suggestion made at the referendum will of crimeans to join Russia. Expect to be treated with respect for the will of our people. The course, which elected the Russian Federation.

And the third. In the history of the peoples of entire continents there are very difficult situations. I perfectly remember August 2008 when I had to take a decision on the use of the Russian armed forces on the territory of a foreign State. And then recognize the independence of South Ossetia and Abkhazia. Difficult decisions. But subsequent developments proved: no way. Then the international community had to just discuss about how to build relations with Russia. And, it must be recognized that all of our partners, albeit not without difficulty, managed to find a balanced line of conduct with Russia at that time. This provided a sustainable international development in subsequent years. Including our work in the top twenty for overcoming the global economic crisis. Provision of security issues. The solution of regional problems. I hope that reason will prevail today.

Russia cannot be punished. But with Russia you can line up the right relationship.

flamming_python wrote:

zino wrote:I don't share the humor running in this thread

"Ukraine says it is leaving the Moscow-led Commonwealth of Independent States and is preparing military exercises with the US and UK"
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26645477
"National Security Council acting head: Ukraine decides to quit CIS"
http://en.itar-tass.com/world/724459
"Ukraine intends to introduce visa regulations with Russia"
interfax.com

Things are escalating so much. Hard days ahead.

Now Yatsenyuk is backing down from introducing visas. Guess he realized that Ukr guest workers in Russia bring the country a tenth of its GDP

medo wrote:

KomissarBojanchev wrote:The decisions of the ukrainian government are getting even more contradictivehttp://www.iarex.ru/articles/46320.html
Yatsenyuk plans to give parts of west ukraine to Poland and the population there...supports his decision with 69% approval            Then WTH was all that rheotoric about a single united ukraine. BY this move the so-called "patriotic" government will give a very large chunk of its unilaterally and they dare to call russia on "carving up ukraine". An even bigger sign of historical ignorance is the fact that they want to give arguably the most ukrainian territories to a country that formally reppressed them and ruled over them. There is something seriously wrong with the current junta. First yatsenyuk suddenly agrees with Yanukovich's original stance on the EU agreement that they so bitterly hated hime for, and now this. Its like a tragic comedy...

If this is true, this is excellent news.      I hope they will soon make their referendum and I hope Russia will recognize it immediately. With western part being part of Poland means less base for nazis in Ukraine and that eastern Ukrainians will be majority in new borders, what means West will be less able to influence with coups in Ukrainian policy and with that Ukraine will become more Russia friendly. Maybe they will give more of Ukraine to Poland, up to Dnieper river and Eastern part will then easily integrate in custom union. With western part becoming independent and part of Poland is the best way to prevent civil war. Let the Poles deal with Right Sector and other nazi groups.   

magnumcromagnon wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

zino wrote:I don't share the humor running in this thread

"Ukraine says it is leaving the Moscow-led Commonwealth of Independent States and is preparing military exercises with the US and UK"
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26645477
"National Security Council acting head: Ukraine decides to quit CIS"
http://en.itar-tass.com/world/724459
"Ukraine intends to introduce visa regulations with Russia"
interfax.com

Things are escalating so much. Hard days ahead.

Now Yatsenyuk is backing down from introducing visas. Guess he realized that Ukr guest workers in Russia bring the country a tenth of its GDP

Here's a great video detailing all the backtracking from Yatz-The Plutocratz:

Israeli Analyst Calls the Rise of Neo-Nazism in Ukraine" the IV Reich"

A man posts a on billboard a poster bearing a crossed out Nazi swastika in the Crimean city of Sevastopol on March 11, 2014. Lawmakers on the flashpoint Crimean peninsula voted on March 11 for independence from Ukraine ahead of a referendum on joining Russia while Washington rebuffed talks with Moscow in one of their fiercest clashes since the Cold War. The strategic region's self-declared rulers are recruiting volunteers to fight Ukrainian soldiers while Russia's parliament on March 11 prepared legislation that would simplify the Kremlin's annexation of Crimea after the weekend's vote.

By Victoria Mashkova
WASHINGTON (VR) – A rabbi, political scientist and writer from Jerusalem Michael Finkel warns that the conflict in Ukraine is hugely influenced by right- wing ultranationalist groups: Accusing global media of double standards while covering the Ukrainian crisis, Finkel reminds that before the World War II not many believed that fascism could take over the world.
Read more: http://voiceofrussia.com/us/2014_03_19/Israeli-Analyst-Calls-the-Rise-of-Neo-Nazism-in-Ukraine-the-IV-Reich-3624/

"In the US many didn't believe that Nazis were really dangerous,” Finkel said. “The same thing happens now in Ukraine, where we are literally witnessing the raise of the Fourth Reich. Nazi parties like the Right Sector, Party of Freedom are openly saying that they will ‘drown the Russians in the blood of Jews’ ".

"[The] American Jewish diaspora, as well as average Americans, are misled by the media – they trust everything they see on TV and take it for objective truth,” he added. “They are misled in two thinking that Russia is an aggressor and don't believe in pogroms in Ukraine."
Read more: http://voiceofrussia.com/us/2014_03_19/Israeli-Analyst-Calls-the-Rise-of-Neo-Nazism-in-Ukraine-the-IV-Reich-3624/

http://voiceofrussia.com/us/2014_03_19/Israeli-Analyst-Calls-the-Rise-of-Neo-Nazism-in-Ukraine-the-IV-Reich-3624/

Margelov: Pan-African Parliament supports Russia’s stance on Crimea

JOHANNESBURG, March 19, /ITAR-TASS/. The Pan-African Parliament (PAP) has voiced support for Russia’s stance on Crimea, saying no one has the right to call the will of the Crimean people expressed at a referendum into question, Mikhail Margelov, the Russian president’s special envoy for cooperation with Africa and the head of the Federation Council Committee on Foreign Affairs, told Itar-Tass on Wednesday.
Margelov, who is attending a PAP session, said that Ghana’ s former president Jerry Rawlings had been the first to set the tonality for the discussion.
“He gave his full and absolute support to Russia’s stance on Crimea. The deputies applauded him. After that, he came up to me and shook my hand. Ugandan President Yoweri Museveni said the same in a private conversation,” Margelov said, noting that the Pan-African deputies told him that the days of the uni-polar world were over because Russia was strong again.
“You are our hope,” the deputies stressed.
The Pan-African Parliament, which unites 54 African countries and is the main legislative body of the African Union, noted a positive tonality of a speech by Russian President Vladimir Putin devoted to Crimea which all Pan-African deputies listened to with great attention.
“The deputies stressed that no one could challenge people’s will expressed at the referendum and that no one had cancelled the right of nations to self-determination. The African MPs criticized the West for its policy of double standards, which the African states could also feel on themselves,” Margelov went on to say.
The Russian lawmaker became convinced once again that countries whom Russia had been helping since the times of the Russian Empire and the former Soviet Union remained reliable partners.
“It is vitally important for them that Russia is not dancing to anybody’s tune but is defending its national interests. This is my biggest emotional impression from this session,” Margelov emphasized.
He has also met Mauritania’s President Mohamed Ould Abdel Aziz, who is the African Union’s current chairperson.
“Africans are willing to participate in the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum. If the West decides to cut relations with Russia, they are ready to discuss how to re-orient us to Africa and continue a dialogue which Russian President Vladimir Putin started with 20 African leaders on the sidelines of the BRICS summit held in South Africa last year. Africans believe that we have what to offer each other in the sphere of economy and trade,” the Russian lawmaker stressed.

http://en.itar-tass.com/russia/724439

Kremlin: If The US Tries To Hurt Russia's Economy, Russia Will Target The Dollar

Another warning shot was fired before an all-out assault on the dollar system begins. This time, an official shot: Alexey Ulyukaev, Russia’s Minister of Economic Development and former Deputy Chairman of the Central Bank, fired it. It was a major escalation, Valentin Mândrăşescu, editor of The Voice of Russia’s Reality Check, told me from Moscow.

Last time, it was Sergei Glazyev, an advisor to Vladimir Putin who’d fired the shot. But he wasn’t a government official. “Anonymous sources” at the Kremlin claimed he wasn’t speaking for the government. As Mândrăşescu reported in his excellent article, From Now On, No Compromises Are Possible For Russia:

From the economic point of view, everyone should get ready for tough actions from Moscow. Sergei Glazyev, the most hardline of Putin’s advisors, sketched the retaliation strategy: Drop the dollar, sell US Treasuries, encourage Russian companies to default on their dollar-denominated debts, and create an alternative currency system (reference currency) with the BRICS and hydrocarbon producers like Venezuela and Iran.

Unlike radical-sounding Glazyev, Ulyukaev is part of Dmitry Medvedev’s Cabinet. And as former Deputy Chairman of the Bank of Russia, he doesn’t take currencies lightly. He told Rossia-24 news channel about possible retaliatory measures if Washington adds economic sanctions to the political sanctions. Moscow wouldn’t worry too much about political sanctions, he said, but if Washington tries to hurt Russia’s economy, Moscow would retaliate by targeting the US dollar.

Some of it is already happening

Washington’s decision to release a minuscule 5 million barrels of oil from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve caused the price of oil to tank – a direct attack on the main revenue source of the Russian government, and a sign that Washington is willing to hit where it hurts the most [read a trader’s lament.... Commodity Markets Will Be Used As A Weapon Against The Putin Regime, Starting Now].

Russia instantly retaliated, it seems. Suddenly, there was a mysterious mega-plunge of $104.5 billion in US Treasuries held in custody by the Federal Reserve during the reporting week ended March 12. It brought the balance down to $2.86 trillion. These securities are owned by foreign countries. As of the US Treasury’s December statement, the most recent available, the Fed held $138.6 billion in Treasuries that belonged to Russia – down by $22.9 billion from a year earlier. The mega-plunge of $104.5 billion? No data is available yet to confirm these securities belonged to Russia. And if they did, it’s unlikely that Russia dumped them on the market, but it could have transferred them to another banking center, such as Luxemburg, to get them out of reach of the US government, and be able to dump them at an opportune moment.

Getting out from under the dollar

Russia has been palavering with other countries about initiating alternatives to the dollar. Formal plans emerged from the Kremlin last May on how Russia wanted the BRICS to dismantle the dollar system. So now it was Ulyukaev, an official heavy-weight, who said that Russia would work on increasing the volume of international trade denominated in national currencies, thus bypassing the dollar (translation by Mândrăşescu):

“Why should we have dollar contracts with China, India, Turkey?” he said. “Why do we need this? We must have contracts in national currencies. And this applies to energy and other spheres.” The focus would be on Russian oil and gas companies. “They must be braver in signing contracts in rubles and the currencies of partner-countries,” he said. “I think now there is an additional impetus to finally finish this job.”

And the “currency reserve policy” would need some adjustment with maximum focus on “local currencies”; it was the normal way, he said. In Mândrăşescu’s analysis, Ulyukaev was outlining an attack on the petrodollar system and the enormous advantages it confers on the US, with the goal of creating parallel petro-currencies.

Media blackout in the US

The warning, issued officially and publicly by a Cabinet member, to target the dollar, has been vigorously ignored by the mainstream media in the US. It’s a touchy subject here. The dollar reigns supreme. Its status as the sole world reserve currency, which has provided the US with enormous economic advantages, remains unquestionable forevermore. Or so wishes the Fed, which has done such a wonderful job of managing the dollar for the last 100 years that it has lost most of its value, though it’s still a heck of a lot better than the ruble.

“I have a suspicion the Western media don't want to report on this,” Mândrăşescu said. “It could be a bit unpleasant for the S&P 500 and the nanobots trading the US stock market.” Better keep them in the dark.

It took a while. But it had to come, the public warning shot – after some ferocious lobbying behind closed doors. No one in Germany is allowed to get in the way of the sacrosanct exporters. Read.... German Exporters Fire Warning Shot About Russia “Sanction-Spiral,” Banks At Risk

http://www.testosteronepit.com/home/2014/3/15/kremlin-if-the-us-tries-to-hurt-russias-economy-russia-will.html

GarryB wrote:

so putin took crimea from ukraine and into russia without a bullet fired ,bombing campaign etc.... ,right in front of eu and usa , im impressed the guys got the balls of a bull.

I doubt Putin planned this... the US and EU just did what they have been doing for the last decade and a bit and presented their King to Putin on a plate... can't blame him for taking the opportunity to take back what should never have been given in the first place.

Perhaps a referendum in Alaska might be in order     

After all they did vote in Tina Fey as governor so they clearly don't care who is in charge...

Ukraine has become the final battlefield in the "cold war", and it is becoming a possibility that the crisis will trigger a second "cold war". The Crimean parliament's declaration of independence from Ukraine ahead of the March 16 referendum indicates that Crimea may go ahead and join Russia. The tug of war between Russia and western countries teaches us four things.

A geostrategic conflict leads to the tragedy of big-power politics

Most people in west Ukraine are Catholics while in east Ukraine most are Russian Orthodox believers. The financial crisis caused conflict between civilizations, pushing Ukraine to the brink of bankruptcy and fragmentation. This created a vacuum that provided the big powers with an incentive to meddle in Ukraine's affairs.
　　
Ukraine's economic over-reliance on Russia is the soft underbelly of its national security

In recent years, the western countries have succeeded in promoting several regime changes. Ukraine is on the brink of debt default and bankruptcy. Ukraine's economic over-reliance on Russia is the soft underbelly of its national security. Western countries have taken advantage of this weak spot in their efforts to promote regime change in Ukraine.

Western countries' failure to grasp the lessons of history results in conflict

The collapse of the Soviet Union and the end of the cold war generated a degree of complacency in the West. Subsequently, with the rise of Neo-Conservatism and Neo-imperialism, the US has embroiled itself in conflicts such as the invasion of Iraq and the war in Afghanistan. These stress points are a result of the West's inability to understand the lessons of history.

The double standards of western countries demonstrate their hypocrisy

Some Western countries were quick to back the independence referendum held in the Autonomous Province of Kosovo and Metohija between Sept. 26 and 30, 1991; now they voice their objections to the referendum in the Crimea. In the past they have advocated that human rights – for example the right to self-determination - take precedence over sovereignty; now they claim that the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine are paramount. Such double standards are rooted in the fact that in the final analysis, the values of the western powers are entirely determined by their own self-interest.
　　
On March 17, first results showed that 96.6 percent of Crimeans had voted to join Russia in Sunday's referendum. The US refuses to accept the outcome of referendum. The Ukraine crisis will continue to pose a huge challenge to the major powers.

navyfield wrote:

GarryB wrote:

so putin took crimea from ukraine and into russia without a bullet fired ,bombing campaign etc.... ,right in front of eu and usa , im impressed the guys got the balls of a bull.

I doubt Putin planned this... the US and EU just did what they have been doing for the last decade and a bit and presented their King to Putin on a plate... can't blame him for taking the opportunity to take back what should never have been given in the first place.

Perhaps a referendum in Alaska might be in order     

After all they did vote in Tina Fey as governor so they clearly don't care who is in charge...

i disagree . russians knew there would be another orange revolution part 2 ,in case pro eu pro nato moves werent implemented...
so yanukovich bluffed and waited untill the last possible moment to decline to sign eu accession deal...
then russia implemented plan "crimea" in case he was ousted...

when the rest of the country sees that crimeans live 5x better then they are/ under pro-nato government/ which doesnt have money for paychecks and pensions and gas , the results of upcoming election in ukraine seem to be in favour of russia very much.

that why plan crimea was important to be done in a bloodless and elegant manner,unlike savages in pro-nato parties...