The Situation in the Ukraine. #2

Aviation assets in the Crimea that are now Russian, assuming they don't let them take it back.
I think they should just let them have it, barely anything Russia wants or needs by the look of it.

Those MiG-29 could be quite handy. I am sure they are low hours frames and up to 45 are available. It is a considerable number.

Id say return the migs, could be booby trapped. but more importantly mig doesnt lose out on future contracts for 45 new planes.

collegeboy16 wrote:Id say return the migs, could be booby trapped. but more importantly mig doesnt lose out on future contracts for 45 new planes.

Syria may like some of them

Ucranian nationalists attacking passenger cars in East Ucrania
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nFt9gC0ujYw


Odessa yesterday

arpakola wrote:

collegeboy16 wrote:Id say return the migs, could be booby trapped. but more importantly mig doesnt lose out on future contracts for 45 new planes.

Syria may like some of them

Booby trapped with horilka ?
Syria might like Tos-1, BMPT, thermals, small uavs, rpo launchers and soldiers equipment. They are more important.
But Russian moto is clear

Live TV interview with the Ukranian defense minister and the commander of a Marine detachment in Kerch. Rough synopsis: Marine basically says we are abandoned here with no orders, no directives, what are we meant to do? Where is command in all of this? A third of my company wants to go back to Ukraine, a third wants to join Russian army, the rest want to quit. What am I meant to do, command has failed us. Defence minister basically calls them a bunch of traitors. Marine then basically says "now with your response, I know that nobody is going back to ukraine from my detachment".

In general he states that the source of turmoil and chaos on Ukraine are putchists and rampant nationalists.
These bandits and rioters have crushed the whole state system without asking opinion of the rest of Ukraine absolutely ignoring their rights and suggestions.
Crimea has chosen its path only to set itself free from rampage in Kiev.
Russia acted with force only to stop havok from coming on Crimea as nationalits would try to drown anti-maidan resistance in blood.
Crimea is returned to Russia rightfully and, moreover, Russia, its politicians, leaders, want nothing more but friendly, independed and united Ukraine.
EU will bring only economic and social collapse in Ukraine that is beneficial only for oligarchs who want nothing more but huge progit and neo-nazis who want to get " approved" power.
People of Ukraine must not dully copy Crimea's methods.
Russia, Customs Union are the only ones who do not seek meager profit from supporting collapsing Ukraine but the provide friendly, effective, efficient and not-enslaving way to find solution for the problems of Ukraine. That is the alternative of attempts and actions aimed on dragging Ukraine into slavery prepared by EU.
He urges people to revolt aganist incoming collapce, putchists, collaborators and compradors (oligarchs and nationalists) and states that they must uprise not aganist Ukraine but aganist forementioned parasites only.

Appearantly, the train from Moldova to Russia was stopped in Ukraine, and Russian passport holders were robbed:
http://www.voicesevas.ru/2014/03/blog-post_2348.html


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Also, electricity supplies to Crimea have been cut-off or at least sharply reduced.
http://lenta.ru/news/2014/03/24/nolight/
An interesting fact: attempts to build more local powerplants started long time ago, but Ukrainian authorities have been blocking them. Now we know why...

All Ukrainian Navy ships in Crimea except for Konstantin Olshansky (U402), Cherkasy (U311) and Henichesk (U360) - moved to the Russian Navy.
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flamming_python wrote:

As Sa'iqa wrote:Another conspiracy shit. USraeli imperialists had carefully prepared everything, then pulled a magic want, said "hocus pocus!", and the protests against the people's government began.

You should use more reliable sources than a Russian tabloid.

What are you living in denial? That audio-tapped phone call where Nuland and partners were discussing the make-up of the new Ukrainian government and who they want to see in power? The $5 billion dollars boasted about for regime-change?
And that's just the latest evidence, there is a whole volume of it, enough to fill an encyclopedia

I don't think he cares.
He chooses to live in denial...like many people do, as they feel more comfortable that way.
I feel sorry for him, the guy is 'confused'...

It's funny to see that there is no middle ground in this:) Few people can watch this without emotions coming in to play and media sees it only in black and white.
Ukrainian government is hilarious, while other more intelligent people would pursue to elect new president and build new legit state they did opposite and moved elections further away. I can only see new maiden rising. But this time it will USA free and even more radical.

Yuliya Tymoshenko wants to pick up assault rifles to kill Russians and use nukes to turn Russia in to ash:

magnumcromagnon wrote:Yuliya Tymoshenko wants to pick up assault rifles to kill Russians and use nukes to turn Russia in to ash:

Yes, I've seen that.
That bitch obviously has some serious issues.
Wouldn't worry about it though - women often do in that period of their life...
Don't hold your breath about seeing this in mainstream western media though...you KNOW 'democracy' and 'freedom of speech' never allow for opposite points of view to be aired...LOL

  

macedonian wrote:
Yes, I've seen that.
That bitch obviously has some serious issues.
Wouldn't worry about it though - women often do in that period of their life...
Don't hold your breath about seeing this in mainstream western media though...you KNOW 'democracy' and 'freedom of speech' never allow for opposite points of view to be aired...LOL

  

Oh, this reminds me of one proverb:

"Nothing infuriates liberals more than when you start doubting their freedom of speech values".
The irony   

Funny to see Ukrainian officials preferring Russian rather than Ukrainian. Klitchko as well speaks better Russian than Ukrainian

Regular wrote:Funny to see Ukrainian officials preferring Russian rather than Ukrainian. Klitchko as well speaks better Russian than Ukrainian

Because Ukrainian is not a real language, it was a dialect that exists only since fall of USSR as a language, all people in USSR spoke russian and till this day majority still speaks russian.

Ukraine is an invented country that has no history. Ukrainian means (On boarder), people were called ukrainians which lived on the boarder to the rest of europe even in Kiewen Rus.

Regular wrote:Funny to see Ukrainian officials preferring Russian rather than Ukrainian. Klitchko as well speaks better Russian than Ukrainian

Nothing funny about it.

There is this annoying fact though: that they'll take the 'West' over their similars (in lack of a better term). That I find right-out disgusting!
Not because they don't have the right to do that (because they certainly do have that right), but because they are being played like mere puppets [that are] 'lost in the moment'... I rather feel sorry for such people!
You will find PLENTY of them here in the Balkans too. Especially here in Macedonia (I'm sorry to say). But I wouldn't exclude Serbia, Croatia, Bulgaria...
I'd rather have people serve their own [country, nationality, neighbors] and not Washington, nor Brussels...but that's not bound to happen anytime soon...
Divide and Conquer is the game, and many play into it...NAIVETE is the only word to describe it.

Is this for real?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ho93gCS985Q

Kharkovians are starting to fire back:


"The Kharkov metro stop opened fire at Maidan self-defense three representatives

About 14.30 . unknown persons opened fire in Maidan self-defense three representatives to the subway stop in Kharkov.

One was shot at his leg , the second - the chest, the third hit in the legs , inform society.lb.ua . Victims live from leaving the hospital. The incident reported Lb.ua correspondent from the scene .

According to preliminary data , unknown people blocked the entrance to Kiev Kirovograd minivan , which carried aid Maidana . As the car refused to admit is not the first time , the driver turned to self-defense Maidan .

Three representatives of the conflict came to a place to find out what happened. Unknown persons pulled out a handgun and rifle and started shooting.

Then they boarded a silver Mercedes Vito and went to Borispol side.

Department of Motor Vehicles check announced in Kiev plan " Detention" ."

http://www.delfi.lt/news/daily/world/rusu-pajegos-uzeme-ukrainos-desantini-laiva.d?id=64355002#ixzz2wuaglnDx

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navyfield wrote:

GarryB wrote:

so putin took crimea from ukraine and into russia without a bullet fired ,bombing campaign etc.... ,right in front of eu and usa , im impressed the guys got the balls of a bull.

I doubt Putin planned this... the US and EU just did what they have been doing for the last decade and a bit and presented their King to Putin on a plate... can't blame him for taking the opportunity to take back what should never have been given in the first place.

Perhaps a referendum in Alaska might be in order     

After all they did vote in Tina Fey as governor so they clearly don't care who is in charge...

i disagree . russians knew there would be another orange revolution part 2 ,in case pro eu pro nato moves werent implemented...
so yanukovich bluffed and waited untill the last possible moment to decline to sign eu accession deal...
then russia implemented plan "crimea" in case he was ousted...

when the rest of the country sees that crimeans live 5x better then they are/ under pro-nato government/ which doesnt have money for paychecks and pensions and gas , the results of upcoming election in ukraine seem to be in favour of russia very much.

that why plan crimea was important to be done in a bloodless and elegant manner,unlike savages in pro-nato parties...

Anti NATO faction doesn't even have a candidate for the presidential election of 25th of May. And Ukraine is now a parlamentary republic, so no... the route for the west is stable. The only option for a change is bankrupcy and the subsequent revolution. Like Medvedev wrote, the collapse of the state, the destruction of the ukrainian statehood and the emerging of peripheric powers. But everything is unlikely, ukrainians are disheartened.

im sure russia will prop up someone "spontaniously from the people" , preferrably less corrupt then yanukovitch.

Werewolf wrote:

Regular wrote:Funny to see Ukrainian officials preferring Russian rather than Ukrainian. Klitchko as well speaks better Russian than Ukrainian

Because Ukrainian is not a real language, it was a dialect that exists only since fall of USSR as a language, all people in USSR spoke russian and till this day majority still speaks russian.

Ukraine is an invented country that has no history. Ukrainian means (On boarder), people were called ukrainians which lived on the boarder to the rest of europe even in Kiewen Rus.

Ukraine have less than 100 years of history as a country ,they only began to exist with the creation of the soviet union. The region know as Ukraine most of it was called Russian Empire after 1600s. and kiev was first capital of Russia.

Best info about the evolution of Ukraine..

macedonian wrote:

Regular wrote:Funny to see Ukrainian officials preferring Russian rather than Ukrainian. Klitchko as well speaks better Russian than Ukrainian

Nothing funny about it.

There is this annoying fact though: that they'll take the 'West' over their similars (in lack of a better term). That I find right-out disgusting!
Not because they don't have the right to do that (because they certainly do have that right), but because they are being played like mere puppets [that are] 'lost in the moment'... I rather feel sorry for such people!
You will find PLENTY of them here in the Balkans too. Especially here in Macedonia (I'm sorry to say). But I wouldn't exclude Serbia, Croatia, Bulgaria...
I'd rather have people serve their own [country, nationality, neighbors] and not Washington, nor Brussels...but that's not bound to happen anytime soon...
Divide and Conquer is the game, and many play into it...NAIVETE is the only word to describe it.

Only the west of Ukraine are the RUssian haters.. they never were part of Russia ,until soviet union in 1922 by force.Before that western Ukraine was a land of Poland and lithuania. The Ukrainian language is nothing more than a dialect of Russian mixed with some words of western european countries bordering ukraine. Like Polish..etc.

I think the best solution for Ukraine ,to end their identity problem,is to split Ukraine main land in Two parts.. Not east vs west as many say.. but to cut the far western part of Ukraine from Ukraine and give it to poland back.. the nazi part ,,and let them deal with them... From where the neo nazis and maidan come.. and integrate or independence for all North, Central ,East and south Ukraine with close alliance to Russia..