hoom wrote:Thats certainly a curiously specific tid-bit
Always some "well hidden" sources, never MoD or Tass. Eehnie already has recorded history of seeing things other dont.
hoom wrote:Thats certainly a curiously specific tid-bit
GunshipDemocracy wrote:hoom wrote:Thats certainly a curiously specific tid-bit
Always some "well hidden" sources, never MoD or Tass. Eehnie already has recorded history of seeing things other dont.
PapaDragon wrote:GunshipDemocracy wrote:hoom wrote:Thats certainly a curiously specific tid-bit
Always some "well hidden" sources, never MoD or Tass. Eehnie already has recorded history of seeing things other dont.
First ship will be called Xenia Onatopp
https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/6167819According to preliminary data, the cost of the construction of each ship will be 100 billion rubles, the source said.
MOSCOW, February 28. / TASS /. By the end of the 2020s, Russia plans to build two destroyers with a nuclear power plant of the Leader type project 23560, the cost of creating each ship will be about 100 billion rubles. This was reported by Tass source in the shipbuilding industry.
According to him, the draft design of the destroyer has been completed, research works and technical project preparation are underway.
"Under the current state armament program for 2018–2027, design and development work on a destroyer should begin in 2021 with the transition directly to construction. The construction of one ship will take seven years, according to preliminary estimates,” the agency’s source said.
The source said that "by the end of the 2020s, two destroyers of the type" Leader "(head and first serial - TASS) are planned to be launched." "The cost of the construction of each ship, previously, will be 100 billion rubles," - he added.
The interlocutor said that the destroyers' maximum length will reach 230 m, the displacement will be 20 thousand tons. "Leader" will be able to carry more than 100 high-precision Zirkon, Caliber or Onyx missiles, the source said.
The United Shipbuilding Corporation did not comment on the TASS information provided by the source, but noted that "the corporation's enterprises are ready to build ships of this class."
As the deputy commander-in-chief of the Russian Navy for armaments, Viktor Bursuk, reported in the summer of 2018, the development of the technical design for the new ship is scheduled to begin in 2019-2020, and completed sometime in 2022, after which the first ship will be laid. Bursuk also reported that funding for the shipbuilding program was provided for the creation of a new destroyer.
GunshipDemocracy wrote:
Source: Russia plans to build two destroyers of the type "Leader" by the end of the 2020s
They'll have a mix of missiles- read the quote, it mentions Onixes & Calibres too.Wow 100 zirkons that sound like about enough fun to go around an entire carrier group.
The-thing-next-door wrote:Wow 100 zirkons that sound like about enough fun to go around an entire carrier group.
Any news on its air deffence?
Also nuclear power means it can travel long distances and will most likely be used in the exact role of the cruisers of old so you may aswell think of it as a cruiser by purpose.
kumbor wrote:western sanctions are taking their toll, cutting the connections with latest western innovations.
The-thing-next-door wrote:Wow 100 zirkons that sound like about enough fun to go around an entire carrier group.
Tsavo Lion wrote:They'll have a mix of missiles- read the quote, it mentions Onixes & Calibres too.Wow 100 zirkons that sound like about enough fun to go around an entire carrier group.
Nibiru wrote: I sincerely hope that this project will not get dragged down with delays like the current Gorshkov. o
GunshipDemocracy wrote:kumbor wrote:western sanctions are taking their toll, cutting the connections with latest western innovations.
like?The-thing-next-door wrote:Wow 100 zirkons that sound like about enough fun to go around an entire carrier group.
100 Zircons is enough to take down ll CSGs really. As for AADs I'd assume S-500 will be included.
Hole wrote:+ no gas turbines from some unnamed place that have to be replaced by new ones.
Russia has all blueprints, all documentation, but is for already four years unable to start series production of GTs, badly needed for naval vessels ! Almost half of surface ships, if such powered are in need of replacement GTs!
kumbor wrote:
Sorry, from land AA system already in service to fully capable naval system on deck of a warship - there is a long way to go. At least, there are different needs of anti-corrosion prevention, sea clutter for radar, stabilisation issues , and much more. I`m a lawyer and interpreter, not an engineer!
kumbor wrote:Suspended technological ties with MTU AG. There are no better diesels than MTU! Ban on supplying of any technology that can be used for military purpose - and that means MAJORITY OF HIGH END TECHNOLOGIES!
Hole wrote:+ no gas turbines from some unnamed place that have to be replaced by new ones.
Nibiru wrote:
Russia cannot afford to just sit down and take their time when dealing with issues like this as if its still peacetime. Nato is ALREADY knocking on Russia’s doorsteps itching for a total war. More delays in Russia’s military modernization is a fatal mistake that Russians need to address to be averted.
The Chinese discovered gun powder but had inferior cannons & no forearms during the Opium Wars.Do you really think that Russians cannot develop standard diesel engines but could mini nuclear rectors, super-cavitating nuclear drones or hypersonic missiles?
Tsavo Lion wrote:
The USSR had the space shuttle Buran, a multiple use vehicle, but didn't have & couldn't produce its own disposable hypodermic needles.
They also had heavy industry producing tanks, trucks, tractors, aircraft, ships, military uniforms, etc., but clothing, cars & other consumer goods were of low quality. Which is more complicated?
so how would you do it with limited resources? tell me
https://books.google.com/books?id=XrSHDAAAQBAJ&pg=PA21&lpg=PA21&dq=USSR++disposable+hypodermic+needles&source=bl&ots=qXtHnyVBOi&sig=ACfU3U2nTttwqXgyUUkFUVwLgS4crfs_aw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwixpqKC99_gAhU4JDQIHeGGBjUQ6AEwE3oECAIQAQ#v=onepage&q=USSR%20%20disposable%20hypodermic%20needles&f=falseGunshipDemocracy wrote:source?Tsavo Lion wrote:
The USSR had the space shuttle Buran, a multiple use vehicle, but didn't have & couldn't produce its own disposable hypodermic needles.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Bloc#Black_marketsBTW I lived then in Soviet bloc and what low quality you do mean precisely ?
Shiiiit 100 Zircons? more than Orlans by 25%. And Orlan is a battle cruiser and Lider is a destroyer?
100 Zircons is enough to take down ll CSGs really. As for AADs I'd assume S-500 will be included.
Suspended technological ties with MTU AG. There are no better diesels than MTU! Ban on supplying of any technology that can be used for military purpose - and that means MAJORITY OF HIGH END TECHNOLOGIES!
Russia cannot afford to just sit down and take their time when dealing with issues like this as if its still peacetime. Nato is ALREADY knocking on Russia’s doorsteps itching for a total war. More delays in Russia’s military modernization is a fatal mistake that Russians need to address to be averted.
Sorry, from land AA system already in service to fully capable naval system on deck of a warship - there is a long way to go. At least, there are different needs of anti-corrosion prevention, sea clutter for radar, stabilisation issues , and much more. I`m a lawyer and interpreter, not an engineer!
@ThingND - indeed S-500 seems to be its very important component .As prt of Russian ABM
Turbines were called incorrectly Ukropistani . This was Soviet design, Ukrops did nothing else by their own.
so how would you do it with limited resources? tell me
BTW there is prioritization you know. Nuclear forces with 15-20 min delivery to US is best thingy to keep any NATO attemptes out.
The Chinese discovered gun powder but had inferior cannons & no forearms during the Opium Wars.
The USSR had the space shuttle Buran, a multiple use vehicle, but didn't have & couldn't produce its own disposable hypodermic needles. They also had heavy industry producing tanks, trucks, tractors, aircraft, ships, military uniforms, etc., but clothing, cars & other consumer goods were of low quality. Which is more complicated?
Well, that is a problem that I have no answer for lol. I guess we cant have everything.
https://www.quora.com/Why-was-the-Soviet-Union-often-portrayed-as-having-poor-quality-goods-and-machinery
GunshipDemocracy wrote:kumbor wrote:
Sorry, from land AA system already in service to fully capable naval system on deck of a warship - there is a long way to go. At least, there are different needs of anti-corrosion prevention, sea clutter for radar, stabilisation issues , and much more. I`m a lawyer and interpreter, not an engineer!
Mind Russians have still 10 years ahead. S-500 task is hypersonic warheads and ICBMs so very valid tasks for a cruiser.
Poliment-Redut and S-350 were ccepted the same time BTWkumbor wrote:Suspended technological ties with MTU AG. There are no better diesels than MTU! Ban on supplying of any technology that can be used for military purpose - and that means MAJORITY OF HIGH END TECHNOLOGIES!
Are you serious? what precise technologies were ever sold to Russia? . Nobody sells latest technology. Neva' eva' . Especially for military in Russia
And MTU is by no means critical nor high tech. Do you really think that Russians cannot develop standard diesel engines but could mini nuclear rectors, super-cavitating nuclear drones or hypersonic missiles?
It is more like pissing Russians off then any real stab.
@ThingND - indeed S-500 seems to be its very important component .As prt of Russian ABMHole wrote:+ no gas turbines from some unnamed place that have to be replaced by new ones.
Turbines were called incorrectly Ukropistani . This was Soviet design, Ukrops did nothing else by their own.
kumbor wrote: Big business, but I am stunned with a fact that for four years Russia still wasn`t able to switch production to the other plant.
Concerning diesels, MTU are the best high speed diesels in the world, unparallelled in versatility and technology and also they are the most expensive ones.
Mind Russians have still 10 years ahead. S-500 task is hypersonic warheads and ICBMs so very valid tasks for a cruiser.
But it's harder to make the naval system than the ground based one.
The naval system needs to take into account the movement of the ship which can occure even when it doesn't move because of the waves.
Making Tor M2 able to launch on the move was a huge step but it still needs to go very slow and on a flat terrain.
Tor engage low speed targets compared to s-500.