Libyan Crisis

Turks are the first to make a foreign operation with just drone. And the results are quite funny .

And one recon UAV

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And one recon UAV  

Which proves direct Russian assistance to LNA. No surprise. Muslim Brotherhood is banned in Russia and GNA is Muslim Brotherhood.

Is it an orlan 10 ? Maybe it comes from an arab country. They buy lot of stuff from independant military societies that not really known from public.

Yes it was old deal with arab country as they said .

Gaddafi should have never given up his nuclear weapons. I used to think the Western countries of US, France, and UK were about promoting freedom abroad and free markets, but that is such a big lie.

The US accuses/accused Russia/Soviet Union of trying to take over the world, but it is the US that is attempting to do that. I am shocked that the US would frame Ghaddafi like that. American foreign policy is clearly a threat and terror around the world.

I want to know did Libya have an S-300 air defense system to counter the air campaign of France, Italy and the US? Because if they didn't Gaddafi should have had the system since the US struggles in penetrating the export model.  

Also why Gaddafi didn't have 300 to 500 surface to surface missiles to retaliate against NATO? Did he even think about buying such missiles from Russia or China?

I also think Libya would have benefited from having US style drones let's say about 60 to 100 to retaliate against NATO; I think if Gaddafi had all of the above, I think his enemies would have been reluctant to attack.  Do you all agree?

https://www.csmonitor.com/Commentary/Opinion/2011/0830/A-troubling-lesson-from-Libya-Don-t-give-up-nukes

https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2016/01/06/new-hillary-emails-reveal-true-motive-for-libya-intervention/

Do you all agree?

No. First the nato coalition is thousand times strong than Lybian army even if they had S-300 and cruise/ballistic missiles. He needed at least a missile with a range of more than 1000km to reach closest Nato bases which is not easy to buy.

Second, Gaddafi had no internationnal support not from China, not from Russia and Arabs/Africans didn't even help (US dogs + most hated him).

Third, he was facing a civil war with lot of his army gone.

To surivive he should have taken a flight to Moscow with all the money he had in cash in its house. Today Lybian would be happy to have him alive ...

Having the air defence network strong enough to take on HATO is not cheap... only Russia really has it at the moment and that is because they have millions of missiles ready to use and the ability to hit back of HATO actually attacks.

It is one thing to stop a single or a second attack, but being able to stop multiple attacks and strike back in a way that really hurts is something Libya or for instance Serbia could never achieve.

The Serbs were very skillfull in their use of what they had but HATO had them cut off from any real help from Russia... they couldn't win... it was just a question of how long they could endure the bombings... HATO has effectively bottomless pockets and a tight control of the international media... if Serbia had enough SAMs it would just be a case of sending cruise missile after cruise missile attack with a complete economic blockade on the country till they broke them.

Libyas best chance against HATO is to promote and support assylum seekers wanting to go to europe by giving them a boat and support to go... and slip a few special forces guys in there with them with instructions to go to various places and buy or steal a gun and attack power stations and dams and houses of parliament...

Gaddafi should have never given up his nuclear weapons. I used to think the Western countries of US, France, and UK were about promoting freedom abroad and free markets, but that is such a big lie.

On paper he was the ideal leader for the average western liberal pussy... he was not a hardliner religious nut, free healthcare and education... good standard of living for the majority instead of just the chosen few, reasonably good record on women s rights... but that meant nothing to the governments in power in the west.. he wasn't letting them steal from the Libyan people so he had to go... let Hollywood spin it and make it like the moral and ethical thing to do and the sheeple will lap it up...

JohninMK wrote:

GarryB wrote:
On paper he was the ideal leader for the average western liberal pussy... he was not a hardliner religious nut, free healthcare and education... good standard of living for the majority instead of just the chosen few, reasonably good record on women s rights... but that meant nothing to the governments in power in the west.. he wasn't letting them steal from the Libyan people so he had to go... let Hollywood spin it and make it like the moral and ethical thing to do and the sheeple will lap it up...

Two of his financial decisions did for him.

1. He started selling oil for gold and Euros, breaking the $ monopoly so pissing the US off, same decision also did for Saddam

2. He announced that he was going to liberate all the ex French (who in reality were not free as the BoF controlled their money) colonies from said Bank of France, costing France an estimated $1B a year and untold influence. That pissed of Paris who got their (when back against the wall) mates in London to go along.

Very stupid decisions and unnecessary, turning his people from the richest in Africa (that and not being black was why the other Africans hated him) to their current riven state.

But the colonialist scum in the US and France are still 100% responsible.

Egypt delivers military equipment to Libyan Army

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/egypt-delivers-military-equipment-to-libyan-army-photo/

From a long time some photos showed Egyptian hardware in libya .

Two of his financial decisions did for him.

1. He started selling oil for gold and Euros, breaking the $ monopoly so pissing the US off, same decision also did for Saddam

2. He announced that he was going to liberate all the ex French (who in reality were not free as the BoF controlled their money) colonies from said Bank of France, costing France an estimated $1B a year and untold influence. That pissed of Paris who got their (when back against the wall) mates in London to go along.

I would agree, but would also say such actions are inevitable... with the US using the US dollar as a weapon of course countries will stop using it, and the French have a nasty history of oppressing foreign countries... it is normal for people from those countries to want freedom from that... ask Vietnam... it is only a matter of time and the right person...

Mi-35 in action

https://twitter.com/LNA2019M/status/1248589720730419200

More Erdogan's UAVs meet the ground

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downed over Tarhuna

They even got a full missile designed for drones. In 2 months we will see a chinese copy for export.

Isos wrote:They even got a full missile designed for drones. In 2 months we will see a chinese copy for export.

graveyard of Bayraktar

Capturing Abu Qurain means the next target is Misrata .

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Libyan Arab Armed Forces control the western Abu Qurain gate.


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The Libyan armed forces #LNA have found a large quantities of weapons, ammunition and military equipment in the AbuGrian area after the enemy rout.

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3 #TB2 downed by the libya army #LNA in less than 24 hours.
1 Tarhuna
2 BeniWalid.

Anka-S ??

What a monster...

Ironically the first two things on that list would be all anybody in Africa would want, but getting the rest as well and they wouldn't be leaving to head for Europe.

France and the west destroying Libya sounds like a serious own goal because anyone wanting a better life probably would have stopped when they got to Libya...

Killing Syrian Turkmen Erdogan flown to Libya

https://twitter.com/RojavaNetwork/status/1256452335716511745?s=20

LNA forming Supreme National Council to control Libya - source

It is anticipated that members of the military and representatives of tribes will be in the former authority to be headed by Haftar

CAIRO, May 2. /TASS/. The Libyan National Army (LNA) headed by Field Marshal Khalifa Haftar is currently holding consultations for the purpose of forming the Supreme National Council and the government of expert executives for administration of the country over the transitional period, a source in the House of Representatives of Libya told TASS.

"Consultations are now underway to form the Supreme National Council and the government of expert executives," the source said. It is anticipated that members of the military and representatives of tribes will be in the former authority to be headed by Haftar. "As far as the Cabinet of Ministers is concerned, it is expected to have 20 portfolios of ministers and two deputy prime ministers," the source added.

On April 27, the Libyan National Army announced that it takes control over the country and disavows the Skhirat Agreement. The Field Marshal Haftar promised to provide conditions for establishment of permanent civilian state bodies in accordance with the will of the people. In response, the Presidential Council of the Government of National Accord called the Haftar’s statement a farce and an attempt of another coup in Libya. The Agreement, signed in December 2015 in Morocco’s Skhirat, is based on the UN peace plan for Libya. It implies creation of power entities, including the Government of the National Accord and the Presidential Council (which serves as the collective head of state). Both entities are based in Tripoli and are headed by Fayez Sarraj.

https://tass.com/world/1152461