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Libyan Crisis
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Two drones were downed yesterday night
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Isos wrote:Well I said 24 not 6 but
. Turkish drones are dead.
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The GNA's security chief Fathi Bashagha said at least six MiG-29s and two Su-24s have flown into eastern Libya from Russia's Khmeimim Airbase in Syria, escorted by two Russian Air Force Su-35 fighters, to bolster the LNA. 69/
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Last week the Записки охотника Telegram Channel said that a Russian Tu-154 aircraft landed in Iran's Hamadan Airbase as a stop over as it flew from Russian to Syria, and it was escorted by 6 MiG-29 fighters. Presumably, these are the same fighters. 70/
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#UPDATE: Bloomberg reports: Haftar’s Forces Announce Air Campaign Against Turkey in Libya
“You are about to see the largest aerial campaign in Libyan history in the coming hours,” Haftar’s air force chief Saqr al-Jaroushi said in a statement
Things change dramatically , some sources said Turkey is going to deploy some F-16s . I hope they will do that ,let's see F-16 VS Rafale out of the forums discussions
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Turkish G-Class Frigate spotted again today on sat images. East of Tripoli this time showing her moving following the military campaign on the ground. Thanks to @Libyancitizen6
for the lead !
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Turkish G-Class Frigate spotted again today on sat images. East of Tripoli this time showing her moving following the military campaign on the ground. Thanks to @Libyancitizen6
for the lead !
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By the way, not every Mig-29 in the world is Russian, Syrian or Iranian.
Within Syria
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By the way, not every Mig-29 in the world is Russian, Syrian or Iranian.
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It looks like the ebb and flow of this civil war are directly related to the amount of external aid. Now there is a lot of Turkish stuff going in the LNA are forced onto the back foot. Next the LNA gets more aid (Mig-29) and the cycle begins again.
ZOKA
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Hard situation for LNA. It can soon ended its visit to Tripoli. Unless something drastic changes. Soon could fall Zintana and Bani Walind.Local tribes easily change uniforms.
One thing in Libya will never change "betrayal"
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Hard situation for LNA. It can soon ended its visit to Tripoli. Unless something drastic changes. Soon could fall Zintana and Bani Walind.Local tribes easily change uniforms.
One thing in Libya will never change "betrayal"
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By the way, not every Mig-29 in the world is Russian, Syrian or Iranian.
IMO Bought by UEA directly from russian airforce old stocks/reserve. Egypt provides support.
Pilots may be syrian or Wagner's since Assad signed a cooperation deal with Aftar and they would be more than happy to kill Turks in Libya since the turkish used their drones in Syria and killed many Assadists.
And when I see how confident they are about the migs it seems to me that the operation is very well planed with probably many intek' from French, Russians and Egyptians.
Things change dramatically , some sources said Turkey is going to deploy some F-16s . I hope they will do that ,let's see F-16 VS Rafale out of the forums discussions thumbsup
They will be destroyed as soon as they land there. The trip is pretty long from Turkey and they don't have the ground support to use them immediatly.
If the story about the 2 su-24M send to LNA is true they will use them to destroy runways used by turkish planes/drones as soon as today or tomorrow.
The war is still a proxy war... if they et involved directly they will be legitimate targets and the 3 turkish frigates will be destroyed pretty easily since the su-24M can use kh-31.
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Isos wrote:JohninMK wrote:Any bets before we know?
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By the way, not every Mig-29 in the world is Russian, Syrian or Iranian.
IMO Bought by UEA directly from russian airforce old stocks/reserve. Egypt provides support.
Pilots may be syrian or Wagner's since Assad signed a cooperation deal with Aftar and they would be more than happy to kill Turks in Libya since the turkish used their drones in Syria and killed many Assadists.
And when I see how confident they are about the migs it seems to me that the operation is very well planed with probably many intek' from French, Russians and Egyptians.
Things change dramatically , some sources said Turkey is going to deploy some F-16s . I hope they will do that ,let's see F-16 VS Rafale out of the forums discussions thumbsup
They will be destroyed as soon as they land there. The trip is pretty long from Turkey and they don't have the ground support to use them immediatly.
If the story about the 2 su-24M send to LNA is true they will use them to destroy runways used by turkish planes/drones as soon as today or tomorrow.
The war is still a proxy war... if they et involved directly they will be legitimate targets and the 3 turkish frigates will be destroyed pretty easily since the su-24M can use kh-31.
It will be interesting times. A couple of Su-24M can make a difference not only damage runways and weapon depots and ships but can do it out of the range of manpad. And if armed with gefest SVP-24 will be useful against troops using cheap dumb bombs. And mig-29 can take care of drones and still use rocket pods against troops. And it would be easy for Egypt to transfer mig-21 it has in storage.
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They will be destroyed as soon as they land there. The trip is pretty long from Turkey and they don't have the ground support to use them immediatly.
Also Turkey can barely fly its F-16s .After the coup attempt Erdogan dismissed more than 300 pilots .That's why they got S-400 .
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With external tanks can the F-16 been operated over Libya from bases in Turkey?
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Enough to possibly launch standoffs yes, but they may not have enough to return to turkey so they will need to land or get air refueling
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To reach near Tripoli ,the Turkish F-16 would fly about 2000 km that would reduce it's payload then it will search for targets and start bombing and maneuver which would consume more fuel too and it can't go back .
And who knows may be if it reached it will find some good platforms there waiting for it .
Actually Turkey couldn't use it's F-16 fleet to cover Turkish forces on Turkish borders ,so how could they use it far a way , we can call them "the army of UAVs ".
And who knows may be if it reached it will find some good platforms there waiting for it .
Actually Turkey couldn't use it's F-16 fleet to cover Turkish forces on Turkish borders ,so how could they use it far a way , we can call them "the army of UAVs ".
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Guys, can anyone with more knowledge analyze these videos please? How is it possible that i can not see missiles hit or fly even when i slow the video to 0.25 and watch frame by frame? And how is it possible to destroy working Pantsir, are there no others to protect it if it is out of ammo, is it because of incapable crew or just a flaw in the system that can be abused? And what are your thoughts about using and transporting Krasukha EWS in the broad daylight without air-defense or aircraft cover as seen in the first video?
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Actually Turkey couldn't use it's F-16 fleet to cover Turkish forces on Turkish borders ,so how could they use it far a way , we can call them "the army of UAVs ". Wink
Actually even the drones are operated from Libya so if LNA destroys the command posts they will be left with unusable drones. Then if they destroy turkish ships supplying their forces there they will never be able to keep supporting the GNA.
They buy one post for every 3 drones I think. So they probably have 2 or 3 in Libya, not more.
The main issue for turkish now are the two su24M that can fire precision guided missiles. They have nothing to counter them.
Guys, can anyone with more knowledge analyze these videos please? How is it possible that i can not see missiles hit or fly even when i slow the video to 0.25 and watch frame by frame? And how is it possible to destroy working Pantsir, are there no others to protect it if it is out of ammo, is it because of incapable crew or just a flaw in the system that can be abused? And what are your thoughts about using and transporting Krasukha EWS in the broad daylight without air-defense or aircraft cover as seen in the first video?
Krashuka story is not proven and hard to believe that Russian allowed the sell of such system to Haftar. I wasn't even aware they sold it to arabs.
Some pantsirs were destroyed. That's a fact. There are pictures. Some were just damage like the one that was captured.
The missile used by turkish are small atgm like. They may hit and it looks like a big explosion on the IR phootages but it actually can do very little dammage. That's why they have phootages but not as much pictures of destroyed pantsirs. Many of those "hit" were against non functionning pantsirs that were moving.
Lybian have very few of them. They can't really protect each other. They work alone... when they are turned on...
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C-130 track today, very careful to stay out of Greek airspace. Believed to be the first TAF flight into Libya as rest commercial charters.
Then a Libyan Il-76 not to worried over Greek airspace, returning after dropping off a Pantsir in Turkey?
Then a Libyan Il-76 not to worried over Greek airspace, returning after dropping off a Pantsir in Turkey?
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Just thought about something. Now Egypt can use its Mig29 under cover as LNA has some. No one can prove if it is an Haftar's or Egyptian plane.
Their mig-29M have targeting pods.
Their mig-29M have targeting pods.
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Does this ring a bell...?Isos wrote:
The main issue for turkish now are the two su24M that can fire precision guided missiles. They have nothing to counter them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Z6CMEnRY34
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Just thought about something. Now Egypt can use its Mig29 under cover as LNA has some. No one can prove if it is an Haftar's or Egyptian plane.
Their mig-29M have targeting pods.
If Turkey sent F-16 ,i guess Egypt could interfere officially .
Does this ring a bell...?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Z6CMEnRY34
Or this ?
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RTN wrote:Does this ring a bell...?Isos wrote:
The main issue for turkish now are the two su24M that can fire precision guided missiles. They have nothing to counter them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Z6CMEnRY34
Go check maps and what turkey has in Libya before talking. The su-24 and mig-29 can act freely right now in all Libya. And even if they send air defence systems French, Russian and Egyptians will give intel to destroy them.
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RTN proved he is a dumbass. Another one to add to ignore list.
This site really does attract trash.
Turkey destroyed a few panties out if ammo or transported. Wooly. They lost shit ton of drones and what, destroyed or hit ships? Turkey is screwing itself badly here.
This site really does attract trash.
Turkey destroyed a few panties out if ammo or transported. Wooly. They lost shit ton of drones and what, destroyed or hit ships? Turkey is screwing itself badly here.
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Guys, can anyone with more knowledge analyze these videos please? How is it possible that i can not see missiles hit or fly even when i slow the video to 0.25 and watch frame by frame?
I would say IED is likely...
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MiG-29 fighters in Libya
The Minister of the Interior of the Government of National Accord (GNA) of Libya, Fathi Bashag, said on May 21, 2020 that Russia allegedly sent to the opposing GNA, Libyan National Army (LNA), Field Marshal Khalifa Haftar, at least six MiG-29 fighters and two Su-24 front-line bombers, which flew from the Russian Khmeimim base in Syria "accompanied by two Su-35 Russian fighters."
Following this, the commercial satellite images published on May 19 by Maxar revealed the presence of MiG-29 fighters at Al Joufra airbase in central Libya. Al-Joufrah is one of the most important strongholds of the LNA of Haftar, in particular, used for the delivery of military goods sent to Haftar by the countries supporting it, including the United Arab Emirates. The Chinese UAVs Wing Loong II provided by the UAE to Haftar are based in Al-Jufrah, and, as claimed, the I-HAWK and Pantsir-S1 air defense systems deployed from the UAE are allegedly deployed to cover the base.
In turn, on May 22, the commander of the Air Force of the Libyan National Army, Sakr al-Jarushi, announced that his air forces were preparing to deliver a massive blow to the forces of the GNA and the Turkish military, supporting the latter. “In the coming hours, you will see the largest air campaign in the history of Libya,” said Jarushi, “all Turkish positions and interests in all cities are legitimate targets for our Air Force aircraft, and we urge the civilian population to stay away from them.”
Recall that MiG-29 fighters were never delivered to Libya.
Earlier, spotter and Iranian resources on May 12-15 really marked the transfer by two groups of six MiG-29 fighters to Khmeimim through the Iranian airfield Hamadan from the Volga airfield (Astrakhan region) of the 929th State Flight Test Center of the Ministry of Defense named after V.P. Chkalov. The leader of these groups was the Tu-154M VKS of Russia aircraft with registration number RA-85042 (serial number 12A998 - the last built Tu-154).
At the same time, there were reports that these MiG-29 fighters were purchased by the United Arab Emirates in Belarus specifically for the transfer of LNA. Dimensions, but somewhat larger full displacement and capacity.
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4033729.html
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Deep analysis on this thread as to the source and version of the Migs, with the answer Belarus.
Urchich is an analyst at Aviation Week. Warning it is a long thread. This is the conclusion.
Daniel Urchick
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The MiG-29s in Libya are probably MiG-29C 9.13 models that Belarus did not upgrade (disagree with Scramble saying probably the BM upgraded type).
So the question is pilots. Belarusian mercs? Another friendly? Russian?
If Russian...Wagner group? Well, Wagner is not known to be in the fast jet game (yet) just helicopters as seen in their operations around Sub-Saharan Africa. This mystery remains to be confirmed.
About the MiG-29C 9.13, it has particularly bad range if not upgraded, and was weak in beyond visual range as well. Couple with less than elite pilots and if these are meant to square off against GNA/Turkish planes like the recent announcement of Turkey allegedly sending F-16s
https://twitter.com/DanielUrchick/status/1263941514088112139
Urchich is an analyst at Aviation Week. Warning it is a long thread. This is the conclusion.
Daniel Urchick
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The MiG-29s in Libya are probably MiG-29C 9.13 models that Belarus did not upgrade (disagree with Scramble saying probably the BM upgraded type).
So the question is pilots. Belarusian mercs? Another friendly? Russian?
If Russian...Wagner group? Well, Wagner is not known to be in the fast jet game (yet) just helicopters as seen in their operations around Sub-Saharan Africa. This mystery remains to be confirmed.
About the MiG-29C 9.13, it has particularly bad range if not upgraded, and was weak in beyond visual range as well. Couple with less than elite pilots and if these are meant to square off against GNA/Turkish planes like the recent announcement of Turkey allegedly sending F-16s
https://twitter.com/DanielUrchick/status/1263941514088112139
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Total bullshit this thread. He compares colors to guess from where they come which is stupid because they can be repainted. He talks about ground attack role while they send 2 su-24M for that role. He talks about the version/modernization but has no idea what happened. UAE have the money to buy the modernization kits with the jets and we don't even know when they ordered the fighters. They could even be mig-29M or smt level upgrade. They also have plenty of S variant they would be more than happy to sell.
Another useless guy on twitter guessing stuff from his ass.
Another useless guy on twitter guessing stuff from his ass.