Libyan Crisis

Having bases in Libya will help Russia to monitor/control central Med. Sea SLOCs, esp. if/when Serbia is swallowed by NATO.
Also, RF presence there is needed to protect her interests elsewhere in North & Central Africa.

JohninMK wrote:Wonder what the logistics of moving this lot are?

More than 2,600 Turkish-backed Syrian militants have returned from Libya where they were fighting for the Government of National Accord (GNA), the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights (SOHR) reported on June 19.

“The returnees have received all of their financial entitlements after the recent advance by GNA forces in Libya,” the monitoring group’s report reads.

At least 12,100 Syrian militants are still present in Libya. According to the SOHR, Turkey is now working to deploy even more militants there. More than 1,800 Syrians are currently receiving military training in camps inside Turkey ahead of deployment.

The SOHR also revealed that 300 Syrian militants fighting in GNA forces are minors, between the ages of 14 and 18. Most of these minors were recruited by the Turkish-backed Sultan Murad Division.

Despite the relative calm in Libya, the remaining Syrian militants there are still taking part in combat operations. In the last few days, at least 17 were killed. This raised the number of Syrians killed while fighting in Libya to 417.
The deployment of Syrian militants in Libya boosted the offensive capabilities of GNA forces, enabling them to make gains in northwest Libya.

https://geopolitics.news/africa/over-2600-turkish-backed-syrian-militants-have-returned-from-libya-report/

If it is the case that Sirte and Jufra's fall means direct possibility of Libyan government to drive Haftar militias towards Egyptian border then it pretty much shows how Haftar militias are easily breakable.

Let's see what Egypt is up to. Turkish AD is being deployed already. And they are not oldie Hawks or Stingers. Actual Hisar missiles with double propellant rocket engines went there.

"We call on the Libyan parties to respect the current lines and start negotiations," El-Sisi said, adding that "Libya's Sirte and Al-Jufra are considered the

red line

for Egyptian national security."

AbdulhamidtheSecond wrote:Hisar-A and Hisar-O has the same root but one is bigger brother of the other. Finishing Hisar-A means almost finishing Hisar-O.

Double propellant is what rocks. Hisar-O has active propellant as far as 25 kilometers and as high as 15 kilometers. And ability to engage passively with IR means no warning before you get busted.

Today's visit to the western area

AbdulhamidtheSecond wrote:Hisar-A and Hisar-O has the same root but one is bigger brother of the other. Finishing Hisar-A means almost finishing Hisar-O.

Double propellant is what rocks. Hisar-O has active propellant as far as 25 kilometers and as high as 15 kilometers. And ability to engage passively with IR means no warning before you get busted.

Isos wrote:

AbdulhamidtheSecond wrote:Hisar-A and Hisar-O has the same root but one is bigger brother of the other. Finishing Hisar-A means almost finishing Hisar-O.

Double propellant is what rocks. Hisar-O has active propellant as far as 25 kilometers and as high as 15 kilometers. And ability to engage passively with IR means no warning before you get busted.

They use radar for detection. The long range Hisar will use radar missiles and is already obsolate if the enemy has kh-31 like missiles.

Modern jets have Missile warning systems that deect the IR signature of the missile trying to kill them. Then if there is a radar signal it's a radar guided missile if there isn't a signal it's an IR missile. Then automatic protectiin will launch either chaffs or flares.

Anyway they are yet in development so unlikely they will send them in Libya any day soon.

Isos wrote:@Ahmed do you have any news concerning Egyptian Migs and Rafales ? Like results of exercices or some interesting interview with pilots .

JohninMK wrote:

ultimatewarrior wrote:
Pretty pathetic from Turkey. I thought they were supposed to ship millions of Syrian terrorists to Libya to take back Egypt for Turkey. Really pathetic.

Accurate self analysis, really pathetic thinking that there are millions of terrorists in Syria.

medo wrote:Egypt army is big, but… Egypt have mostly US made weapons like F-16, AH-64, M1A1,... which are well degraded comparing to NATO standard weapons which Turkey have. Egypt F-16C/D, which form a backbone are armed with older Sidfewinders and AIM-7 Sparrow AAMs, while TuAF F-16C/D are armed with AIM-120C7 AMRAAMs and AIM-9X Sidewinders. For sure TuAF F-16 have better HARMs and jamming pods than Egypt and other armament as well. There is also question of quality of pilots and crews between Turkey and Egypt. Only hope for Egypt are French Mirage-2000 and Rafale jets and Russian MiG-29M, which they have in smaller number. Other hope are Chinese made UCAVs Wing Loongs I and II and CH-5. Egyptian Ka-52 is comparable with TuAF T-129. I would not give too much hope on Egypt, specially if US decide to support Turkey, and impose embargo on US armament for Egypt. Turkey is the second strongest army in NATO. Only hope for Egypt in this case is a war between Greece and Turkey.

AbdulhamidtheSecond wrote:How can Libyan government pose a threat to "Egyptian borders" when they control Sirte and Jufra?

These two are hundreds of kilometers away, and borders with Egypt are currently controlled by militia that Egypt likes.

If it is the case that Sirte and Jufra's fall means direct possibility of Libyan government to drive Haftar militias towards Egyptian border then it pretty much shows how Haftar militias are easily breakable.

Let's see what Egypt is up to. Turkish AD is being deployed already. And they are not oldie Hawks or Stingers. Actual Hisar missiles with double propellant rocket engines went there.  

medo wrote:Egypt army is big, but… Egypt have mostly US made weapons like F-16, AH-64, M1A1,... which are well degraded comparing to NATO standard weapons which Turkey have. Egypt F-16C/D, which form a backbone are armed with older Sidfewinders and AIM-7 Sparrow AAMs, while TuAF F-16C/D are armed with AIM-120C7 AMRAAMs and AIM-9X Sidewinders. For sure TuAF F-16 have better HARMs and jamming pods than Egypt and other armament as well. There is also question of quality of pilots and crews between Turkey and Egypt. Only hope for Egypt are French Mirage-2000 and Rafale jets and Russian MiG-29M, which they have in smaller number. Other hope are Chinese made UCAVs Wing Loongs I and II and CH-5. Egyptian Ka-52 is comparable with TuAF T-129. I would not give too much hope on Egypt, specially if US decide to support Turkey, and impose embargo on US armament for Egypt. Turkey is the second strongest army in NATO. Only hope for Egypt in this case is a war between Greece and Turkey.