The Situation in the Ukraine. #8

Flyingdutchman wrote:

Vann7 wrote:Interesting info.. that Putin Told and was picked by CNN and made headlines..

Putin :

Moscow doesn't want or intend to wade into any "large-scale conflicts," Putin insisted at a youth forum, state-run Itar-Tass reported. A few breaths later, he made the point that Russia is "strengthening our nuclear deterrence forces and our armed forces," making them more efficient and modernized.
"I want to remind you that Russia is one of the most powerful nuclear nations," the President said. "This is a reality, not just words." He later warned, "We must always be ready to repel any aggression against Russia and (potential enemies) should be aware .. it is better not to come against Russia as regards a possible armed conflict." .

I told you, a dangerous man…

no, Putin is just after Russia's national interrests. you DO know  "our" ...i say "our" because technically the Yanks have authority over it. "Dutch" Airbase Volkel has american nuclear warheads lying there ever since the cold war. and are scheduled to undergo an modernisation program to replace them for warheads with more yield. in wartime, they are to be fitted against fighter-bombers to drop on an "theoretical" advancing russian army in Poland. its the B-61 Nuclear freefall bomb. witch just so happens to fit on our Dutch F-16's too.

of course, Poland did not get told it would be nuked in the process by its own allies to delay the "russian" invasion.

anyway, this was in 2011 when i was still active in service, before the Ukraine crisis and not in recent weeks when Putin made those comments. he has all rights to ensure nuclear capability of Russia.

or...maybe from your point of view: its okay to keep an watchfull eye on the opposition, but its more important to keep an balanced perspective and try to see the world from the other guy's position from time to time.

Western Media is going apeshit over Putin's statements, but people like Dutchman are so ill informed and incapable of reading, that if he actually did read it, he was talking to the Youth group.  I am sorry, but what do you want him to say? Yeah, we will get attacked and all killed!  Instead, reassures them that they will not get attacked cause they have nukes.  Which is true.

So take your fake hatred and fear mongering and shove it up your asses.  And if Russia gets attacked, I don't blame them for nuking the nation or the opposing forces.  They have to in order to survive.  So I would blame the idiots who decide to go to war with them.  Dutchman should protest US since they have nukes in their own country.

BTW, Dutchman, the only nation who used nukes in hostility is USA on two Japanese cities. This was after the fact that Japan had already lost their navy and the ability to fight, while Hirohito was already being ousted out of power. So I don't see you condemning them.

https://www.facebook.com/TruthfromUkraine/posts/1535453580011322

Doesn't seem that everyone in Europe is fooled.

http://vk.com/video-69552144_169887079?list=264ee66e29c25fcd4b
interesting video

AlfaT8 wrote:Oh for the love of, ok, i am seriously asking this time, why would Russia invade Europe?

Is called Propaganda..  nothing more ,nothing less. The more demonization of Russia ,the better for NATO to get allies and support.. next question?


On a side note look the following picture..



The white house spend billion and billions of US dollars.. no kidding in hiring experts and professionals in manipulating and brainwashing people. Their favorite tactics is the Use of CHildren and pretty people ,Human chains
to promote Bandera Nazism . The US congress goal is to create in to promote Nazism and Rusophobia in all Ukraine not just in the western part from where they come.. And for that.. and complete program is necessary.. that goes
all the way to kinder garden schools.. where children and being teach songs that promote the killing Russians.
But also teach about blind Patriotism. What is interesting is that the white house promote whatever program ,message ,idea ,religion or criminal code that best serve to their interest.. In Syria the US Congress promote a religious islamic sharia law state like Saudi Arabia. Use religious islamic leaders to lead the civil war. and use radical muslins mercenaries they recruit against Assad for its modern society thinking.. That is betraying their God..
In IRAN in the other hand because they are Religious state.. is the other way.. over there the US Congress hire modern people ,forward thinker society and specially womens who love western culture to promote European CUlture and values. and demonize religion there.

IF Russia was a nazi state.. The white house will demonize Nazism in Ukraine and recruit instead a coalition anti Nazis in Ukraine and seek to put them in power. If they want to overthrow a christian nation.. they promote Islam..and etc. All said the white house goals is to turn all ukraine into a Nazi Rusophobic State.. This is the reason
Why Putin needs to reverse the coup and support the novo forces.. because if they do not help them now.. they will have to face later a major War..once the white house fully arm kiev..

I hate to sound dumb, but are those "Nazi"/"fascist" phrases? If so, that puts Dutchyboy/TR1/others in a bad spot, as they were calling BS on the "Nazi" mentions. - Obviously, the symbols are a hint, but I mean the phrases themselves.

Mike E wrote:I hate to sound dumb, but are those "Nazi"/"fascist" phrases? If so, that puts Dutchyboy/TR1/others in a bad spot, as they were calling BS on the "Nazi" mentions. - Obviously, the symbols are a hint, but I mean the phrases themselves.

http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.se/2014/08/are-you-passive-supporter-of-racially.html

“Long live the White Races, and down with the Semite-led subhumans and interracial contacts”.

The historic mission of our nation in this critical moment is to lead the White Races of the world in a final crusade for their survival. A crusade against the Semite-led subhumans”.

Punish severely sexual perversions and any interracial contacts that lead to the extinction of the white man”.

Prepare for further expansion and to struggle for the liberation of the entire White Race from the domination of the internationalist speculative capital”.

But again when you look at Ukraine.. the best way to see it.. is a White House Project.. Run by professionals
experts of the human conduct..that knows how to brain wash civilian population. The program include school lessons, television ,talk shows , Media propaganda.. "Putins Missile" , lies lies and more lies.. and a lot of CNN
and American media brainwashing against Russia "as a failed poor communist state" that wants to conquer the world and all europe.     Sounds stupid but for young people that do not understand about propaganda or manipulation is their truth . Include also the Rewriting of History.. with an Ukraine that exist since many thousands years back in time.. etc..  The entire Bandera nazi project in Ukraine depends on people stupidity and desinformation. This is why the media is heavily controlled in kiev and any media that suggest any positive thing about Russia is banned.

Notice also their Anti-jewish slogans..they also had Anti-Oligarch slogans.. too.  
is clever because the white house teach them Slogans always that helps to Unite people to recruit more easily big number of people.. as a trojan horse..
but when people are inside and join the movement in practice in execution is something totally different to what they originally joined .and in practice is only a Rusophobia movement. IF Russia do not Interfere in Ukraine and kick the nazis from power now that they are weak and a minority.. they will have to fight them later when they become strong ,fully armed by NATO with modern weapons and nukes and a majority.  But the fight needs to be done in as much as possible in a way that shows that Russia is not their enemies and that they are being fooled by the west.. So this is why the novo fighters try to encircle Ukrainians and try to avoid as much casualties as possible and even allow them to leave and or give them medical attention.. so that they can see it..that they are not their enemies.. and are being mislead by their government.

Vann7 wrote:

Mike E wrote:I hate to sound dumb, but are those "Nazi"/"fascist" phrases? If so, that puts Dutchyboy/TR1/others in a bad spot, as they were calling BS on the "Nazi" mentions. - Obviously, the symbols are a hint, but I mean the phrases themselves.

http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.se/2014/08/are-you-passive-supporter-of-racially.html

“Long live the White Races, and down with the Semite-led subhumans and interracial contacts”.

The historic mission of our nation in this critical moment is to lead the White Races of the world in a final crusade for their survival. A crusade against the Semite-led subhumans”.

Punish severely sexual perversions and any interracial contacts that lead to the extinction of the white man”.

Prepare for further expansion and to struggle for the liberation of the entire White Race from the domination of the internationalist speculative capital”.

But again when you look at Ukraine.. the best way to see it.. is a White House Project.. Run by professionals
experts of the human conduct..that knows how to brain wash civilian population. The program include school lessons, television ,talk shows , Media propaganda.. "Putins Missile" , lies lies and more lies.. and a lot of CNN
and American media brainwashing against Russia "as a failed poor communist state" that wants to conquer the world and all europe.     Sounds stupid but for young people that do not understand about propaganda or manipulation is their truth . Include also the Rewriting of History.. with an Ukraine that exist since many thousands years back in time.. etc..  The entire Bandera nazi project in Ukraine depends on people stupidity and desinformation. This is why the media is heavily controlled in kiev and any media that suggest any positive thing about Russia is banned.

Thanks for clearing that up! 

Don't Mess with Nuclear Russia!  

LOL even American Independent media side with Putin in the Ukrainian conflict.



It was said as an analogy several times by different Americans political discussions about
What will United States do.. if in Mexico there was a Violent Coup and a Fascist Government get in power and
begin to indiscriminately directly target americans near US Border every day. Including women and children?
Killing thousands of them ? OF course US will invade that nation. Regardless of what anyone says. to stop the killing.
and restore order.

Mike E wrote:I hate to sound dumb, but are those "Nazi"/"fascist" phrases? If so, that puts Dutchyboy/TR1/others in a bad spot, as they were calling BS on the "Nazi" mentions. - Obviously, the symbols are a hint, but I mean the phrases themselves.

You mean such phrases?

"Kill Russian by knife" and "Jump if you aren't Russian"


Here Ukrainian kids are teached to hitler salute and yell Sieg Heil and other nazi parols.

AlfaT8 wrote:EU sets ‘deadline’: Russia faces sanctions if Ukraine crisis worsens over next week
At the EU summit in Brussels European leaders have agreed to finalize within a week the new set of sanctions against Russia and undertake other “preparatory work”, promising to impose them if the situation in Ukraine remains the same or worsens.

The Brussels summit has decided to ask the EU's executive Commission and its diplomatic service to "urgently undertake preparatory work,” European Council President Herman Van Rompuy said. German Chancellor Angela Merkel meanwhile told reporters that the EU would impose new sanctions if there was no change in the situation in Ukraine or if the situation worsened. ........
http://rt.com/news/183944-eu-sanctions-ukraine-summit/

That is like if USA threatens Russia to sanction it if the CO2 emission raises over a year. The biggest poluder of CO2 emission and terroristic/mercenary and now fascistic emission globaly.
Russia should change its rhetoric and start openly make US responsible for everything since they are the responsible for that crap and stop talking of Ukraine and Porky oinky shenko, he has no power and does not even change his tie without US knowing and commanding it.

Airbornewolf wrote:

Flyingdutchman wrote:

Vann7 wrote:Interesting info.. that Putin Told and was picked by CNN and made headlines..

Putin :

Moscow doesn't want or intend to wade into any "large-scale conflicts," Putin insisted at a youth forum, state-run Itar-Tass reported. A few breaths later, he made the point that Russia is "strengthening our nuclear deterrence forces and our armed forces," making them more efficient and modernized.
"I want to remind you that Russia is one of the most powerful nuclear nations," the President said. "This is a reality, not just words." He later warned, "We must always be ready to repel any aggression against Russia and (potential enemies) should be aware .. it is better not to come against Russia as regards a possible armed conflict." .

I told you, a dangerous man…

no, Putin is just after Russia's national interrests. you DO know  "our" ...i say "our" because technically the Yanks have authority over it. "Dutch" Airbase Volkel has american nuclear warheads lying there ever since the cold war. and are scheduled to undergo an modernisation program to replace them for warheads with more yield. in wartime, they are to be fitted against fighter-bombers to drop on an "theoretical" advancing russian army in Poland. its the B-61 Nuclear freefall bomb. witch just so happens to fit on our Dutch F-16's too.

of course, Poland did not get told it would be nuked in the process by its own allies to delay the "russian" invasion.

anyway, this was in 2011 when i was still active in service, before the Ukraine crisis and not in recent weeks when Putin made those comments. he has all rights to ensure nuclear capability of Russia.

or...maybe from your point of view: its okay to keep an watchfull eye on the opposition, but its more important to keep an balanced perspective and try to see the world from the other guy's position from time to time.

Yes i know that and thats the reason that i was against the f-35, if we wouldn't have picked the f-35 those b-61s would be gone, like in Germany.

Vann7 wrote:

AlfaT8 wrote:Oh for the love of, ok, i am seriously asking this time, why would Russia invade Europe?

Is called Propaganda..  nothing more ,nothing less. The more demonization of Russia ,the better for NATO to get allies and support.. next question?


On a side note look the following picture..



The white house spend billion and billions of US dollars.. no kidding in hiring experts and professionals in manipulating and brainwashing people. Their favorite tactics is the Use of CHildren and pretty people ,Human chains
to promote Bandera Nazism . The US congress goal is to create in to promote Nazism and Rusophobia in all Ukraine not just in the western part from where they come.. And for that.. and complete program is necessary.. that goes
all the way to kinder garden schools.. where children and being teach songs that promote the killing Russians.  
But also teach about blind Patriotism.  What is interesting is that the white house promote whatever program ,message ,idea ,religion or criminal code that best serve to their interest..  In Syria the US Congress promote a religious islamic sharia law state like Saudi Arabia. Use religious islamic leaders to lead the civil war. and use radical muslins mercenaries they recruit against Assad for its modern society thinking..  That is betraying their God..  
In IRAN in the other hand because they are Religious state.. is the other way.. over there the US Congress hire modern people ,forward thinker society and specially womens who love western culture to promote European CUlture and values. and demonize religion there.

IF Russia was a nazi state.. The white house will demonize Nazism in Ukraine and recruit instead a coalition anti Nazis in Ukraine and seek to put them in power. If they want to overthrow a christian nation.. they promote Islam..and etc. All said the white house goals is to turn all ukraine into a Nazi Rusophobic State.. This is the reason
Why Putin needs to reverse the coup and support the novo forces.. because if they do not help them now.. they will have to face later a major War..once the white house fully arm kiev..

What a tard propaganda is this? I mean don;t get it. If I was a soldier fighting there I would be more motivated than ever to smash through the defenses and own such pretty chicks.
Are we nuts? this is like shooting your own foot again. A motivation, certainly.

The evidence of Kiev's mafia-gangsters junta rout :

http://www.globalresearch.ca/ukraine-troops-suffer-catastrophic-defeat-in-novorossiya/5398546

If Nato dares to intervenes with the zio-nazis of Kiev, they will undergo the same fate. As US underwent in Iraq, because of soviet-russians weaponneries.

Any pickings of novorussia anthem yet?

This is so funny ...

Even the Ukrainian euromaidanut media does not believe in their own government statements about
the situation in the ATO operation.. check this..

COMMANDERS ARE TO BLAME FOR THE DEATH OF THE COLUMN NEAR ILOVAYSK

Yesterday ATO forces under Ilovaisk received an ultimatum to transfer weapons to Russians to withdraw from the besieged city. However, the commanders, headed by General Homchak, rejected the ultimatum and decided to breakout. Meanwhile, no support was provided for a breakthrough.

In the process of breaking out of the encirclement, Ukrainian soldiers came under the volley fire of Russians. As a result, one column was forced to take a defensive perimeter in the open area, and the other was destroyed. Hundreds injured among the ATO fighters.

As a result, no machinery can be recovered anyway but the loss of men is massive. But the generals entertained their ambitions by rejecting the ultimatum.

CNSD continues to brazenly understate the casualty figures: yesterday it announced 765 killed in the entire operation. Given their usual rate of underreporting losses, we can talk about 3,000 ATO soldiers dead and 20-30 thousands wounded.

 

https://plus.google.com/+EuroMaidanPR/posts/PVLaLxJQSc9

In such operation in that city  Ilovaisk ,i read from Pro Russian sources.. that they offered them to surrender..
but had to leave their weapons.. they refused and tried to break by force the siege and escape.. as a result
most of the battalion was wiped with just a few survivors .

On other note.. it is being reported something nasty happening.  from twiter..

UNCONFIRMED #Ukraine General threatens to use "SMERCH" missiles on his troops that retreat  http://vk.cc/2VrlXU  #cdnpoli #warcrimes #UN

Federation Council #Russia exploring the possibility of precision strikes in response to attacks from the territory of #Ukraine. #cdnpoli

The next 24 hours up to 3 days is going to be critical.. in the development of the conflict..
Russia is already threatening with using its airforce.. so the conflict can significantly increase.
Into a full scale war between Russia and Ukraine.. Commanders firing on their own soldiers Toscha
missiles? we will see.. but what is sure.. is that.. even thought the anti Kiev forces scored a major
victory on the military.. That will be far from enough.. Russia needs to win not only militarily ,but also
in Public Opinion.. THis is why Russia needs to have extreme patience ,and try to show a picture that
are not part of the problem and ready to help Ukraine to get out of the conflict.

In other information.. i will NOT be surprised that a false flag event happens in Mariupol with many civilians killed.
The Ukie army could easily shell with artillery their own people and later blame the NovoForces. I will not be surprised if Kiev try to pull another major false flag.. to demonize Russia and Rebels..

An abandoned T-72BM with the white identification stripes in Ilovaisk, also seen in some footage taken by Chechen fighters. So Russia has started to deliver more advanced hardware to the sepratists and also more volunteers arriving from Russia.

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and those stories about entire battalion whiped out.... sure why not brigade, division or army theatre. If Ukrainian army had that many losses, they would have surrendered Kiev to the separatists ....

there was a breakthrough attempt and it ended up with some dozens of UA soldiers killed, unknown number of wounded. Don't be silly. This war is unfortunatly going to drag itself a bit more....

Sadlly still no supplies but Im sure they will come in 100x magnitude if NATO or anyone else start providing loosing nazi pary and american puppets illegaly brought to power in Ukraine

Russian T-72B3 in Ukraine - provocations continue

To lazy to translate it all by myself so i used google translation.

Russian T-72B3 in Ukraine - provocations continue.
   After false statements Fuhrer Poroshenko the invasion forces of the Russian Federation on the territory of Ukraine, Dill had to quickly look for evidence of this fact. That hour was concocted muddy video of alleged Russian tank T-72B under the brandishing and the next day, on I-no photo sold some of the T-72B3, supposedly dating from the same August 28th. The tank is marked white stripes rapid identification techniques APU, but since T-72B3 tanks supplied exclusively in the Russian Army, the hour, it was stated that "the Russian tank."
   For the first time this photo was posted on Twitter of a Raymond Seyntav very Infernal quality. What else besides propaganda expect from a character quoting such statements: "To save is necessary not Russia, and from Russia - all of whom can still be saved. Fight can only be for its elimination. (Boris Stomakhin)." However, always keep in one propagandonom, got out from under the other snags - the famous Andrei Tarasenko. In a strange way, he refrained from analyzing video with "Ilovaiskaya T-72", and then just posted the same photo, but in the best resolution:
    At the same time, not forgetting kidanut shit, not only in Russia, but also personally in my direction: "T-72B3, seized Ukrainian military in a war zone in Ukraine. Video about this tank, captured by Ilovaiskaya already caused considerable debate.
Notably crap Russophobe and provocateur Gur Khan, unable to determine the modification of the tank.
The tank of the visible damage only broken gunner's sight (1A40) and torn screens on the sides of the force. "Apparently Andrew did not read my version of the forum VIF2NE, from the publication of the controversial video. Specially remind:
Here are just a communication of what is depicted in the video and the photo is very obvious. No one has proven that it is one and the same tank. It firstly. Second, post a photo, with a high probability done before - during the exercise secondary cooling zone on the territory of Russia. Do not say, but I can guess. But in reality, it does not have anything that would clearly indicate to the Ukraine. It is also interesting that the EXIF image carefully cleaned - for what? In fact, if the tank is captured as solid Ukrainian propaganda - Present this tank! If it is destroyed - will submit at least its fragments!

The source is posted by Viktor from Gur Khan.

When you look at this video.. posted a page before..



You can see how kids from very early childhood are teach to hate Russians.. without even having
a reason or understanding why.  When yo see videos like that you could see the evilness of western
Zionnazis poers ,they invest every year Many Millions in Ukraine ,so called NGO's and the entire money goal
is to literary brainwash people into hating Russians.. based on Lies..  This have NOTHING to do with Georgia
conflict or any other conflict or any other territorial issue.. Russia could have split from soviet union with 100% good relations with former states.. and still Ukraine will have been that way.. Rusophobic at least half the population .

. Simply US have been for more than a decade after soviet Union Collapse investing
many U.S billions of dollars from US congress..but also other european nations too.. in former soviet Republics
with similar programs.. if you notice in the above video.. the Repetition and mantras is part of the brainwashing program.. There are Americans and Jews specialist in human conduct.. that lead those programs to create Rusophobia.. Also the programs teach extreme blind patriotism ,that people spend hours every week
just to do walks glorifying their nation.. Is not a lot different from Jihadism.. they also become fanatic..repeating a lot .. Allah wak baa.. etc..  You also notice how the most youngest people are the ones they train to become Robots with hate against Russia..GLory to Ukraine.. Glory to ukraine ..repeated that a million of times..
only aims to create blind patriotism too....  In Short All this FANATIsm have no other goal.. that stop Russia influence in Europe..and create a human shield at Russian borders..so that they cannot recreate again have very close relations with any country in Europe.. Why?  because the day Europe become close ally of Russia ,It will be the end of NATO.. and the end of US leadership in the world.. and the end of their american dollar.

So this means that the people that Runs United States.. its main foreign policy have always been destroy the competition and Russia is the #1 obstacle for the american -Jewish political elite for the creation of one world government. from Europe to Asia.. all RUled by Anglo-jews neocons.  The major problem however ,they have in Ukraine however.. and in every other baltic state.. is that they have no leader.. no charismatic leader.. So the Bandera movement have a major weakness ,and is no leadership..   Nazis in Germany they do had a charismatic leader.. but in Ukraine they have only dead heros.. and this is the reason why Still not all is lost and when they become  adults ,they will understand better how they are manipulated.

None of this children and girls understand how they are manipulated. or why they are asked to form marches cursing Russians. also the western propaganda media significantly helps to demonize Russia.. blaming on Russia ,Stalin Crimes.. etc..

Some pictures of ukropy army Bulats of "Elite" forces of 1st brigade that were altered in their shape by Rebels.











http://gurkhan.blogspot.de/2014/08/blog-post_30.html

TheGeorgian wrote:An abandoned T-72BM with the white identification stripes in Ilovaisk, also seen in some footage taken by Chechen fighters. So Russia has started to deliver more advanced hardware to the sepratists and also more volunteers arriving from Russia...

Dude how in hell you know that is ukraine? guess what ? You don't know.. that photo proof nothing..
It will be very easy for Holywood to make a T-72 tank in plastic and show chechens rebels inside of it. LOL

In the Syrian War.. The government of Qatar.. recreated Damascus City..with the castle were Assad live..
this was done to Stage a false invasion in damascus in Syria and provoke Panic between their soldiers to flee
the city..when about 20,000 soldiers invaded.. It was an entire operation simulating the capture of Damascus by Alqaeda..just using a fake city on a minor scale..with actors.. but they fake acting failed because they could not shut down Syria Television network.. Russia quickly
helped Them..they used a new signal.. and the entire operation failed. NATO does a LOT OF TIME .. tricks like that..

An abandoned T-72b3 tank that later Chechens capture? LOL  don't think so.  FAKE!!
If that was a real Tank from Russian federation ,they could easily pull the tank out of the place if it needed repairs.
The tank even shows in perfect conditions.. it will be very easy for technical studios to take a regular T-72 and paint it and made it look like a T-72b3 of Russia.  So im not convinced.

Also the videos where several T-72 shows could be in Russia and not ukraine..and later claimed to be in Ukraine .. The uniform and flags easily replicated too..you will not believe the amount of war information that happens in conflicts .  In world war 2.. in the african front.. the allies used many plastic air fake tanks..to fool the nazis into thinking there was an invasion.. All those tricks are possible.. If Russia wanted to keep secret their invasion they could easily do it.. not allowing anyone to take photos from close distance and later publish it on the net.  

An abandoned modern T-72 tank in perfect conditions in Ukraine? i don't buy it..