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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #8

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    Post  Hannibal Barca Mon Sep 01, 2014 6:00 pm

    Firebird wrote:I think the French bitch is basically a figurehead who's terrified of the neo Con scum who run the IMF, World Bank and all the associated shit.

    Remember that video when she talked about numerology and her nervous laugh when she said "I always do what I am told" when she was told to stand up.

    The Yanksters are trying to fit her up for shit, just like they failed to do on her predecessor Strauss Kahn.
    My guess is the French are sick of the Yanks but dont really think its time yet to jump ship to BRICS or anywhere.

    Ofcourse there are some French, Germans and others with their tongue up Bathhouse Barry Obama's arse, but the whole Euro American best friends routine is bullshit, and outdated bullshit.

    The big fly in the ointment is right wing Russophobic pricks like that Polish clown, that NATO chief and a few others.

    PS Europe is infected with America's debt. I wonder how easily it could extradite itself from that and everything that de-dollarisation entails. My guess is that numerous forces in Europe are certainly preparing that as an option.

    Like said once I anticipate to still have dense black hair this day lol1 lol1
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    Post  arpakola Mon Sep 01, 2014 6:11 pm

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    militiaman Alexander Zhuchkovsky and the fallen Tochka-U of punishers.
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    Post  Viktor Mon Sep 01, 2014 6:23 pm

    13 minute - Pion captured by ANR and before whole lot of destroyed nazi equipment and other captured war goodies

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYiQbzD4hZ4
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    Post  TheGeorgian Mon Sep 01, 2014 6:55 pm

    This is their language. Calling everyone critical or not 100% agreeing to their horseshit, a faggot, swearing, waving with the fist Rolling Eyes
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    Post  Mike E Mon Sep 01, 2014 7:14 pm

    With that vessel sunk, Ukrainians are not safe anywhere...
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Mon Sep 01, 2014 7:15 pm

    TheGeorgian wrote:This is their language. Calling everyone critical or not 100% agreeing to their horseshit, a faggot, swearing, waving with the fist Rolling Eyes

    Much better than chewing your tie... Wink
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Mon Sep 01, 2014 7:22 pm

    Flyingdutchman wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    TR1 wrote:
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    fragmachine wrote:Here we have volunteers from all over the Europe - Germany, Spain, France, Poland, Britain.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrKswpDBIDs

    Those aren't Chechen 'mercenaries', are they? Laughing

    It get quite late, bet that in 'murica O'Bombers have breakfast now...
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    Laughing

    Word on the street was that in the original picture Obama was enchanted and enamored oggling a penis, but a banana was photoshopped their to save face... lol1

    Homophobic and racist humor.

    Good job tards, keep maintaining your reputation.

    1.) It's called a sense of humor, take your politically correct hot garbage somewhere else. 2.) Obama was ridiculed for not originally granting asylum for a Gay Saudi diplomat, beheading someone for the sexual orientation is far worse than mocking a two-faced political bureaucrat with harmless humor, mr. politically correct. Razz

    Sense of humor? What sick sense of humor do you guys have?
    Racists.


    The Rebels in Libya that Obama backed killed thousands upon thousands of Black sub-Saharan Africans and purposely targeting the Black population, none of you politically correct whiners cried foul then did you?
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    Post  Vann7 Mon Sep 01, 2014 7:25 pm

    Werewolf wrote:For people who still don't realize it, there will be no federalization, no talks, no ceasefire. Everything they do is already planned and all on purpose..

    I understand that US and the Zionist colonies only want war ,and not peace and as much blood running in ukraine
    as possible to make it impossible for Russia and Ukraine to ever have good relations.. ie To promote endless Hate against Russia.

    The thing however You need to also understand is that Public Image are also extremely important. it can make the different between a war happening or not. the EU most of it ,have nothing to win with Ukraine war.. and they really want peace.. Its a game changing the fact that force the first time
    since the ATO operation began.. the Rebels even when they know they can win the conflict by Guns..that have now the upper hand that they are offering to continue being part of Ukraine in change of becoming a full autonomous republic.. So this is important because "protecting the nation territorial integrity" was the main Excuse
    for the white house to support the War..   Now they have no excuse ,to support the war ,in any new round of Press media talks with PSaki , Now the US government no longer have excuse at United Nations to promote the War ,because the Rebels are ready to remain part of Ukraine. and they are only asking for full autonomy and the right to elect their governors ,and have their own independent army and security and police that .  What Novorosiya wants is not a lot different to UNited States configuration.. that each state its governor is elected directly by its people and the Main Country Federal government cannot control it..and that each republic have their own Police and their own security.
    Where every state have their owns Laws and rules and each state representation in the parliament based on population size..difference is perhaps that the Autonomy of Novorosiya will allow them to have their own independent army too.. not sure if states in US have that authority too . But at least there have been cases in US ,where the local security sheriff have come in defense of their civilians against the federal police..

    Novorossiya now offering to become an Autonomy is SIGNIFICANT..  because will allow Europe to push in that direction kiev poroshenko. From 28 countries.. probably 20 will push for Full Autonomy..and pressure Kiev to accept. Very Important.

    So Poroshenko for the first time have the option too..
    1) End the war..without losing face..
    2) Claim victory to the euromaidanuts because Eastern Ukraine will remain part of Ukraine..
    3) and at the same time the Rebels will have what they want.. Full control of their territory and administration of it..  including the republic security.. Means no more NAzis in eastern ukraine can enter in Pro Russian Zones.
    But also means if autonomy given..that they will not be punished for language and will have powers in Kiev too and representation. No longer being Russian and supporting Russia will be a crime.
    4) And the most amazing thing of all.. a Very BIG chance.. that all other Rebel cities.. Kharkiv and Odessa will also finally get rid of the Nazis in their zones and will have full autonomy to manage their territory.

    In other words.. if Kiev accept Decentralization of Power and stop the war and remove their army from Novorosiya.. Giving each Major region autonomy or at least the pro Russian ones ,it will be the end of the kiev coup ,because the power to protect themselves will be transfered to Novorosiya . Because their basic rights will be respected.. like it is in any normal democracy. But in this case they will have full autonomy ,and will keep their guns. So if Kiev wants to break the agreement and cheat..they will need to start again another ATO operation.. which no one in Ukraine will support.

    And as a bonus.. This new offer of "give us autonomy for peace" . have the benefit also that pass the Ball to
    the EU and Kiev side. and Germany already said they support Federalization ,merkel went as far as to say that federalization is the only way for Ukraine to keep its territorial integrity. So now will be interesting to see What will germany say ,when the Rebels says.. yes.. we agree with Federalization.. Because if they change their stance ,will clearly show that the EU is choosing to commit suicide and reverse their own proposition of negotiation for autonomy.  Is very important that the Separatist are now offering to continue being part of Ukraine.. because now the European Union members will have an option to settle the conflict in a reasonable way.

    If the EU says .. "no.. we want the war to continue ,Novorosiya rebels needs to disarm and die".. then they will be aware  that they rejected a real solution to the conflict.. and that Russia is on the right side and they in the wrong one for supporting US.

    If you want to know how important is Moral Right in any world conflict.. look no further than Syria war.. USA was isolated when they wanted to bomb Syria ,based on fake evidence. So they got isolated and had to retreat at the first Alternative given to save face.   Very Happy    

    We are dealing with BIG EGOS . and to stop their plans to attack any nation , when their plans are not working ,you need to offer them an elegant way of retreat.. specially when they know the public opinion is against them.
    The idea of Rebels now speaking about Autonomy that they call it (special status   Laughing .. pss they are even helping kiev how to present the idea to their euronuts) ,when they are winning the war..and previously told there is no way they will accept anything other than independence.. clearly shows that the idea came from Moscow.. and is nothing more than a Master Chess move.. that is autonomy now.. and declaration of independence when the time comes..  in the case of kiev ,that time will be months or a couple of years when their economy collapse. Wink

    Kiev can say.. we do not agree with independent armies ,that it have to be controlled by Kiev.. then Russia can ask for a United Nations armed peace keeper force in every Russian city. Wink To guarantee the security of ethnic Russians and create a no nazi zone. To agree with giving Autonomy to the separatist.. will destroy all western plans to create a banderastan in Ukraine.. no longer the neoNazis will have freedom of movement to intimidate ,torture or kidnap people to repress any opposition to the government. Simply they will have no kiev-power in Pro Russian cities.. And that only will promote in neutral cities to choose also Pro Russian governors only to get rid of the banderas in their cities.. and have pro Russian Security and police. Wink
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    Post  fragmachine Mon Sep 01, 2014 7:45 pm

    Werewolf wrote:That has nothing to do with racism or homophobia. How many pictures of Bush Jr. as big eared Chimpanse do we have floating around on the internet.

    And the only one lowering his own reputation is TR1 and Flyingdutchman, don't be hypocrites there is not a single male person who never called someone gay don't act here with some fake superiority and adult mentality, since you are both prone to come here for some cheap oneliners even Steven SeaGul would not use in his mediocre movies. Instead of acting here just to try to lower someones nonsense to even lower nonsense you could contribute, so far Flying has nothing done anything like that and you TR1 if you are so antirussian about ukraine provide more instead of coming in entire 9 month just two times to bitch around about trucks and now about a single tank.

    Didn't mean to hurt nobody's feelings. I do enjoy diversity of this world as much as freedom of speech. If someone is disgusted with that type of jokes but himself don't mind to hear jokes about Asian, Arab or Slavic people - you have black on white what kind of values that person represents.

    And it is not about race, because I can find smart and stupid in one or another. You could find Obama's picture as a cowboy on a horse - and TR1 would found it 'racist and homophobic' too - because his skin color doesn't add up to southern climate, and that horse boner too!

    So, who is really racist in here?

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    magnumcromagnon wrote:The Rebels in Libya that Obama backed killed thousands upon thousands of Black sub-Saharan Africans and purposely targeting the Black population, none of you politically correct whiners cried foul then did you?
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    Post  nemrod Mon Sep 01, 2014 10:08 pm

    In this other front against US imperialist, after Iraq, Syria, Gaza, it seems that gang of Kiev is in rout everywhere now. Indeed, nearly 15.000 were surrounded by russian speaking ukrainians. Meaning that Kiev's gangs milicias are on verge of collapse. For that reason they are trying desesperatly to involve Nato. But, the games are over for these nazis gansters.
    I've learnt this news in the frencheese anti imperialist network. It is exactly what Xavier Moreau predicted a few times ago.

    http://cassad-eng.livejournal.com/tag/war%20in%20ukraine
    But most of frencheese manistreams newspapers and TV channels are ackowledging the success of south-east ukrainian resistance.

    The second part of the success is waiting for resistance during winter, indeed, no gaz, no coal to warm up, what will be the Kiev gangs's solution ?

    PS: Few frencheese anti imperialists links
    http://lachute.over-blog.com/
    http://russeurope.hypotheses.org/2688 Jacques Sapir
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    Post  flamming_python Mon Sep 01, 2014 10:58 pm

    I found that pic of Obama the monkey with the banana posted by fragmachine -





    funny as fuck


    Seriously lighten the hell up guys. Racist or not, it's what he deserves. Were he a more measured politician that didn't start 2x-3x the amount of crises as Bush did; leading to the putchists in Kiev, ISIS in Syria and Iraq among other things - while still having the audacity to accept a Nobel Peace prize - I dare say that he wouldn't be derided as a monkey today, regardless of his skin color.

    Speaking of Bush - he too was also characterized as a monkey all the time, plenty of political cartoons showing it. He brought that reputation onto himself, and he wasn't even black.
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    Post  Vann7 Mon Sep 01, 2014 11:02 pm

    well i celebrated too early.. LOL

    About Donetsk and Lugansk asking for federation...

    IT seems it was a bad interpretation or maybe they were testing kiev to see how they answer..
    The leader of Donetsk spoke again and said Novorosiya being part of Ukraine no longer apply and case closed. So they will not accept anything but independence.
    So looks like Russia will have Ukraine after all.. or at least up to half of it ,but US will win big time because will manage to Isolate Russia from Europe and will manage to extend their empire for at least another decade. Until Russia move all their assests to Euro Assia..

    In other news Ibitimes.. is saying something totally crazy..

    -that Putin told he could take kiev in 2 weeks.. if he wanted .. Putin will have never said that.. not even if it was
    a figurative speaking in public.. knowing well how the western media exploit things out of context.

    - Also Ibitimes claimed Putin told that Kazakistan is not a state.. and that its president told he will move away
    from the custom union if Putin COntinues threatening his independence..


    As you can see what we witness is Media WAR.. total disinformation , remember the Sochi Toothpast bomb?
    Same thing. The western Neocon Elite , not only wants to split Europe from Russia business.. but also Russia with all former soviets republics.

    In more news..New Evidence of Russia invasion.. reinforcements arrive.. Laughing

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    Post  arpakola Mon Sep 01, 2014 11:57 pm

    http://englishrussia.com/2012/06/03/tanks-ovehaul-depot-in-kharkiv

    Who needs russian tanks?

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    There are so many in ukr

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    Post  Stealthflanker Tue Sep 02, 2014 4:00 am

    Is this for real ?

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/11067351/Ukraine-battles-Russian-tank-column-near-Luhansk-ahead-of-Minsk-peace-talks.html

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    Post  Mike E Tue Sep 02, 2014 4:07 am

    Nope! It gets worse every day, they most be buying weed in the bulk...
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    Post  Cyberspec Tue Sep 02, 2014 7:40 am

    Hannibal Barca wrote:I can't stand this faggots who come by waves and ask whether Russia supplied this or that. We don't care, actually we complain why they don't supply the very best in unlimited amounts. And no we don't care if they shoot you out of USA taking your green card, you are cleaning stairs anyway.

    Absolutely! (gets my vote)

    The Novorus forces should have been better armed right from the start instead of playing silly diplomatic games....but the supply situation is getting a lot better. Looks like they wanted to force Strelkov out first.
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    Post  arpakola Tue Sep 02, 2014 7:44 am

    [quote="Cyberspec"]
    Hannibal Barca wrote:I can't stand this faggots who come by waves and ask whether Russia supplied this or that. We don't care, actually we complain why they don't supply the very best in unlimited amounts. And no we don't care if they shoot you out of USA taking your green card, you are cleaning stairs anyway.

    Absolutely! (gets my vote)

    The Novorus forces should have been better armed right from the start instead of playing silly diplomatic games....but the supply situation is getting a lot better. Looks like they wanted to force Strelkov out first.[/quote]
    ++++ to that
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    Post  Vann7 Tue Sep 02, 2014 9:30 am


    Ukraine explained in SIX seconds.. must see. Very Happy
    This video summarize the entire NeoNAzi CIA Banderastan program for Ukraine..


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    Post  Firebird Tue Sep 02, 2014 10:37 am

    arpakola wrote:
    Cyberspec wrote:
    Hannibal Barca wrote:I can't stand this faggots who come by waves and ask whether Russia supplied this or that. We don't care, actually we complain why they don't supply the very best in unlimited amounts. And no we don't care if they shoot you out of USA taking your green card, you are cleaning stairs anyway.

    Absolutely! (gets my vote)

    The Novorus forces should have been better armed right from the start instead of playing silly diplomatic games....but the supply situation is getting a lot better. Looks like they wanted to force Strelkov out first.[/quote]
    ++++ to that

    I wonder how much of it is actually people from the non-Western Ukraine actually defecting/saying "stuff this, have the tank" etc.

    Plus I think the Ukrainian logistics has been a joke too. Altho, fighting these sorts of wars will be difficult for most countries.

    Defections start as a ripple, then become a wave. You get "tipping points" where it might turn 10% anti Kiev, then 20, then 30 and pretty rapidly 55% or more. Perhaps thats what we are seeing here.
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    Post  arpakola Tue Sep 02, 2014 10:40 am

    Firebird wrote:
    arpakola wrote:
    Cyberspec wrote:
    Hannibal Barca wrote:I can't stand this faggots who come by waves and ask whether Russia supplied this or that. We don't care, actually we complain why they don't supply the very best in unlimited amounts. And no we don't care if they shoot you out of USA taking your green card, you are cleaning stairs anyway.

    Absolutely! (gets my vote)

    The Novorus forces should have been better armed right from the start instead of playing silly diplomatic games....but the supply situation is getting a lot better. Looks like they wanted to force Strelkov out first.[/quote]
    ++++ to that

    I wonder how much of it is actually people from the non-Western Ukraine actually defecting/saying "stuff this, have the tank" etc.

    Plus I think the Ukrainian logistics has been a joke too. Altho, fighting these sorts of wars will be difficult for most countries.

    Defections start as a ripple, then become a wave. You get "tipping points" where it might turn 10% anti Kiev, then 20, then 30 and pretty rapidly 55% or more. Perhaps thats what we are seeing here.
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    Post  etaepsilonk Tue Sep 02, 2014 10:45 am

    "Then pull off your overcoat and roll up your sleeve, for Donetsk is a hard road to travel" Wink
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    Post  Firebird Tue Sep 02, 2014 11:39 am

    arpakola wrote:
    Firebird wrote:
    arpakola wrote:
    Cyberspec wrote:
    Hannibal Barca wrote:I can't stand this faggots who come by waves and ask whether Russia supplied this or that. We don't care, actually we complain why they don't supply the very best in unlimited amounts. And no we don't care if they shoot you out of USA taking your green card, you are cleaning stairs anyway.

    Absolutely! (gets my vote)

    The Novorus forces should have been better armed right from the start instead of playing silly diplomatic games....but the supply situation is getting a lot better. Looks like they wanted to force Strelkov out first.[/quote]
    ++++ to that

    I wonder how much of it is actually people from the non-Western Ukraine actually defecting/saying "stuff this, have the tank" etc.

    Plus I think the Ukrainian logistics has been a joke too. Altho, fighting these sorts of wars will be difficult for most countries.

    Defections start as a ripple, then become a wave. You get "tipping points" where it might turn 10% anti Kiev, then 20, then 30 and pretty rapidly 55% or more. Perhaps thats what we are seeing here.
    VAE VICTI

    I agree. There's been much terrific work by the Novorossiyan forces. Hopefully they will get all the success they deserve and there will be no further Novorossiyan losses.
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    Post  Cyberspec Tue Sep 02, 2014 11:47 am

    I wonder how much of it is actually people from the non-Western Ukraine actually defecting/saying "stuff this, have the tank" etc.

    I think most of the population doesn't want to fight. Even from the western provinces. The same applies to the Donbas, although they reportedly have increased the number of recruits recently, since their position has improved.....also the main difference is that the militia are made up of volunteers, not pressed men.
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    Post  arpakola Tue Sep 02, 2014 1:23 pm

    http://dni.ru/incidents/2014/9/2/279621.html
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