Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors

Multiclet R1 — first tests

Neutrality wrote:

Vann7 wrote:

and how much bits is the new Elbrus processor? Will be nice to see one day 128 bit processors.
For very deep graphics and precision. and of course with really good speed.

64bit? Why would you want to see 128 bit processors? 64bit processors can theoretically support 16EB (exabytes) of RAM. That's 1 billion gigabytes or 1 million terabytes. However, you need software to adress this amount of memory and the most recent version of Windows (W8) can "only" support 512GB of RAM.

"For very deep graphics and precision". That's what GPU cards are made for. They are alot faster than CPUs in terms of flops. For example, a GTX980 is capable to produce 4,5Teraflops while the i7 5960X does 384Gigaflops. This is also why you need a good dedicated graphics card to play the latest games without any hiccups. Games are very complex calculations and GPUs are capable of delivering that at much faster rates than a CPU. Brute force attacks (for cracking passwords) is also done by mostly using GPUs for the same reason I previously explained.

128 bits precision Processors will be very good for hardcore graphics..
with very hardcore precision ,like for example , designing the earth
and its land mass and continents ,and do a zoom in shot from satellites in space all the way to 1cm on the floor. with very nice detail not blurred shots.  It will also be ideal for games where you can generate graphics to the tiniest detail ,this will also be amazing for hyper realistic lighting effects.  Precision is loss when you go to a distance and this is were 128 bits comes to the rescue.. yes software needs to be made for it..

GPUs today are ideal for graphics because they have dedicated very fast memory for textures.. but it doesn't need to be that way forever.
Today memory is cheap and fast and you can buy tons of it . Once you have a processor that is fast enough it could do all without graphics card and in real time.  IF you want to see how much quality processors can do with graphics ,look at Hollywood fantasy or sci fiction movies start wars the latest movie or avatar ,they are full of Processor generated graphics ,composed and edited.
In the future processors will be fast enough to replace Video cards
and do it in real time for games ,and all will be done using low level programing language. more closer to the PC hardware. Not depending in proppietary apis like Microsoft directX etc..   Which will be a HUGE plus.. because it will mean no longer any company in the world ,like it is microsoft will have the control of how can you display real time graphics in entertainment industry.

Whatever a GPU can do.. and Processor can do..and with better graphics ,albeit slower.IS not surprise Cinematics that you see today in video games are most of the times done in CPUS.. not GPU.

Here is an example of the graphics CPUs with 3d software can do..

http://www.bulgarov.com/blackphoenix_blackwidow.html

There is far more freedom ,the quality of graphics you can do with
a CPU.. GPUS is more about cheating graphics. to simulate CPU graphics done in offline renderers but on real time. But if you had
a fast enough processor then GPU will not be needed at all.

GPUS are nothing more than dedicated processors for graphics , and while it sounds good ,is not..because it also means monopoly of American Companies
with technology graphics.. Better will be Personal PCs done not only for business ,personal use or science but also for heavy graphics too in real time which is video games.. and that do not depends on propietary interfaces of the west ,so any one can develop Next Generation games without depending on propietary graphics.

GPUs have their place.. they came in a time where PCs were never designed for entertainment..but only for offices running wordperfect
and office aplications as it was in the 90s. and GPus improved the CPUs shortcommings. but with time sooner or later computers will be made more unified and all computations done by the CPU weather floating point mathematics or intensive graphics. and the cheap cost of fast memory is the ice on the cake.  

when you speak about GPUs.. what you have is hardware that enhance the capabilities that already your PC have.. is not new graphics but in reality is faster CPU graphics with easier programming.

But in 10 to 20 years ,when we see new form of processors ,perhaps using instead of silicon ,using something more efficient in managing heat and allowing circuits ,we should start to see 50 to 100Ghz processors with 1 Terabyte fast memory and the end of dedicated hardware for graphics and proppietary software.. Nvidia and AMD will
try to sabotage this.. but they will not be able to stop it for long. Computers will become more unified , just look at what happened to Sounds Cards... that no longer are need..unless you are musician and need an special interface connector..but sounds are done all in the CPU today.

In computer graphics there is not such a thing like "enough precision" because for 3d art the limit is not real world life graphics ,so called photo realism. thats actually boring ,turn on the news on your tv and you will get perfect realism,real people images .but PC can do Beyond realism graphics. Is what makes really interesting computer graphics.
Going beyond normal graphics. For today computer games GPUs graphics however is good enough.  But if you really want to do the best of what a PC can do ,then today best GPU are not good enough.
You will need to move to offline CPU graphics.

Just an FYI Vann, GPU's are VLIW processors. Elbrus is VLIW. I wonder if in the future MCST will try to incorporate their Elbrus line to creating a graphics processor? Would be cool!

Anyway:

http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/61961/

So a Novosibirsk company makes motherboards for Intel CPU's. So they have gone further with import substitution and started to make other end parts for the processors that are imported. Maybe as time goes on, they will make motherboards for other type of processors, like China's Loongsong MIIPS processor or MCST Elbrus or future Baikal ARM.

Some awesome news about Angstrem-T: http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/62090/

-First significant mass production of chips in Russia
-Topology from 130nm - 90nm on 200mm wafers
-Option to upgrade up to 45nm without significant investment

This is the sort of news that gives me a hard-on

Thanks for the news. So it appears that there are two (or more, not entirely sure) companies that produce microprocessors at this stage in Russia. Angstrom will be able to make 180-90nm tech while already Mikron Group produces in the 90nm and already started some pilot batches in 65nm. I wonder why Angstrom is so far behind? Added construction was started in 2012, so it also has take a while (there were problems, of course).

Hopefully there will be a major push by Rostec and the like (Rostec I believe has stake in Angstrom) to advanced beyond the 90nm and 45nm technology and move even further. 90nm so far seems to be profiting for Russian company Mikron in the field of RFID cards (They are the main producer of the domestic payment card) and will be manufacturing the Elbrus-2SM processor. Rostec has good experiences with companies like Schwab (former UOMZ) in modernizing the company and producing competitive and profitable products for civil purposes.

Anyway, thanks for the post! Very good news.

Neutrality wrote:Some awesome news about Angstrem-T: http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/62090/

-First significant mass production of chips in Russia
-Topology from 130nm - 90nm on 200mm wafers
-Option to upgrade up to 45nm without significant investment

This is the sort of news that gives me a hard-on

This is superb news.

Therefore the Angstrem-T plant being built will be the first industrial plant capable of mass production of microelectronics in Russia. Volumes of production affect the cost of the chips, and this, combined with the fact that Angstrom will use worldwide spread use of IBM technology, will transfer a great portion of the global production circuits currently from overseas to Russia.

Kyo wrote:

Neutrality wrote:Some awesome news about Angstrem-T: http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/62090/

-First significant mass production of chips in Russia
-Topology from 130nm - 90nm on 200mm wafers
-Option to upgrade up to 45nm without significant investment

This is the sort of news that gives me a hard-on

This is superb news.

Therefore the Angstrem-T plant being built will be the first industrial plant capable of mass production of microelectronics in Russia. Volumes of production affect the cost of the chips, and this, combined with the fact that Angstrom will use worldwide spread use of IBM technology, will transfer a great portion of the global production circuits currently from overseas to Russia.

I don't know. I wonder how many Mikron can produce up to, cause they are located in the same area, zelenograd, as Angstrom. But Mikron already has 90nm and 65nm production and already doing production for Elbrus 2SM processor. I just dont know to which degree in production they can do.

MCST is just a fabless chip developer. I think they are more or less jumping fast to developing a chip that is needed for Russian military and institutions. Intel and Samsung got the priveledge in having their own FAB so they can refine/tune it far better than MCST or AMD can. But, as of right now, MCST seems to be more involved in refining their elbrus e2k architecture now since there is the demand for it.

I think they need to move away from their SPARC line of processors and concentrate 100% on their E2K core. Hopefully, after 8C, they will work on improving the architecture and adding more to it, rather than the simple route of adding more cores. mind you, they are working ob their new chipset as well atm, that will work for 8C. Hopefully, it will go further than that.

MCST has been around since 90's and half of its institution was sold off to Intel. So current MCST is semi newer. The current line of processors are their real attempt of creating something that isnt a simple license like SPARC, and it only became something in recent years (2007 - 2011). So hopefully, with Angstrom, they can mass produce it locally. Hopefully they get the rights to sell the processors to civil use. Or at least refine the architecture and release processors for civil use. A couple years ago, they said they are very interested in getting into making chips for civil use, but didnt have budget for it and all concentration is on what ministry of industry and trade demanded.

More on Skolkovo (Russia's Silicon Valley): http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/62119/

That's one giant tech. complex.

Neutrality wrote:More on Skolkovo (Russia's Silicon Valley): http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/62119/

That's one giant tech. complex.

Wow so big. plan universitat edu?

Russ bear IT!

Book. wrote:

Neutrality wrote:More on Skolkovo (Russia's Silicon Valley): http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/62119/

That's one giant tech. complex.

Wow so big. plan universitat edu?

Russ bear IT!

Is this account created for the sole purpose of trolling?

He was like this on MP.net. Either his english is none existent or he loves trolling all forums.

sepheronx wrote:He was like this on MP.net.  Either his english is none existent or he loves trolling all forums.

You must accept that none of us can truly understand Book.

Best we can do is to live according to Book's teachings.

Just assume his comments are not meant to be negative... I see nothing wrong with what he posts... though I do admit I don't always understand him...

I have a question for sepheronx and kvs. What do you make of this article?

DIC is developing next-generation technologies for electronics manufacturing

Using three-dimensional circuits allow to reduce the dimensions and weight of the article several times



The combined instrument-making corporation intends to master the production of electronic equipment using new technologies. Their use will create a lighter and more compact next-generation electronics - communications equipment, telecommunications equipment, electronic warfare systems, automated control systems and robotic systems, including UAVs.

As explained by CEO of DIC, Alexander Yakunin, the production of electronic equipment using the multilayer hybrid integrated circuits of high density (3D-GIS, 3-DMS), three-dimensional circuits on plastics (3D-MID) can significantly improve the reliability of the equipment, improve its characteristics for performance and power consumption reduce the size and weight of products in four or eight times.

The head of the holding company said that these characteristics will be relevant for the equipment supplied in the framework of the state defense order for the space, aviation, navy, for all the equipment that is used in extreme conditions.

Unlike conventional printed circuit boards, the use of three-dimensional circuits on plastics, where mechanical and electronic components are integrated into an article of plastic, provides a very high design flexibility, simplifies valve construction, reduce its size and weight. This technology is particularly relevant in the production of portable radios, throat microphones, telecommunication equipment.

Flexible and flex-rigid printed circuit boards with embedded components - the most complex structure connecting modern electronic equipment. Due to its flexibility they allow installation in tight spaces. They can also be used as flexible connectors between the parts of electronic devices, replacing wires, harnesses and connectors. Components thus embedded in the surface of the board, in its base, which allows to reduce the weight and dimensions, to improve its reliability and performance.

Create electronics based on new generation technologies require DIC modernization of production sites and the introduction of new types of production. However, the company will not hold a total re-equipment, instead plans to form industrial clusters, where each organization will focus on the development of certain core technologies. Clusters will be set up for regional and product principles.

The Board of Directors approved the Concept of the defense industry production and technology development, under which plans to increase labor productivity by almost 3 times - to the level of the world's manufacturers and 4 times increase the profitability of assets that by 2025 reach a level of 240 billion rubles in revenue and occupy 30 th place in the ranking of the top 100 global manufacturers of electronic products.

DIC is developing next-generation technologies for electronics manufacturing

From what I got from the article:

- It sounds like they're talking about 3-D printing the next-generation of circuit boards out of plastics.

- They're saying they'll be capable of increasing the efficiency and reliability of electronics while simultaneously reducing the size and weight of electronic components to 1/4th and up to 1/8th size of current electronic components.

It isnt talking about 3D printing of circuits but 3D circuits themselves, which is something I pointed oit earlier in this thread (or another) that is where Russia is aiming for. They are talking of using plastics as well, so my understanding is moving away from ceramics(?) (Maybe KVS can correct me on this).

Rostec is simply confirming my prediction. This and their move to Photon AESA technology will make Russia leaders in such tech as no one else has done it (photons) or completed it (3D circuitry).

Sorry for my spelling. Im on phone and without autocorrect, my spelling is horrible.

Groundwork for quantum computers has been laid: http://ria.ru/science/20150520/1065620066.html

Very exciting news this one.

This is great news!

Russian T-Platforms supercomputer sold to Germany

The companies paid no attention to the political situation and the fact that a year ago T-Platforms was under sanctions

The company "T-Platforms", a leading developer of computer equipment, announces the signing of a contract with the German Jülich Supercomputer Center for the supply of supercomputer JURECA. The level of peak performance to date, the system enters the top ten supercomputers in Europe. JURECA is the first precedent in the history of the construction of one of the most powerful computing systems of foreign-based Russian equipment .

http://www.sdelanounas.ru/blogs/62663/

Neutrality wrote:Groundwork for quantum computers has been laid: http://ria.ru/science/20150520/1065620066.html

Very exciting news this one.

Kyo wrote:

The company "T-Platforms", a leading developer of computer equipment, announces the signing of a contract with the German Jülich Supercomputer Center for the supply of supercomputer JURECA. The level of peak performance to date, the system enters the top ten supercomputers in Europe. JURECA is the first precedent in the history of the construction of one of the most powerful computing systems of foreign-based Russian equipment .

http://www.sdelanounas.ru/blogs/62663/

Important developments.

The T-Platforms deal with the Germans is unexpected....I wonder whether the politicians will try to block it...not sure if IT products fall under sanctions

Computer software priority bill approved by State Duma committee

MOSCOW, May 19 (RAPSI) – The State Duma's Information Policy and Communications Committee recommended on Tuesday that lawmakers vote to approve in the first reading a bill which requires Russian state-owned entities to buy domestic computer software, RIA Novosti reported.

http://www.rapsinews.com/legislation_news/20150519/273749188.html

Russian companies have created their own computing platform

A number of Russian companies have developed Russian converged platform that will allow you to create data centers for various purposes. Development of a system within the country avoids "bookmarks" in the system.
Software and hardware solution ROCK-R was developed by IBS, Depo Computers, Parallels and Naumen. It can be used both in military information systems and solutions for commercial and government structures. For example, the elements of the solution already used in the services of the electronic government of Kazakhstan and the Russian energy companies.

Unlike Western systems manufacturers it is designed for the most typical for Russia scenarios. This is taken into account in the design of motherboards, server configurations and software.
According to the calculations of the participants of the project, this will allow you to offer products, a third of the cost which is the cost of the work of Russian specialists to offer customers the product is 40 percent cheaper than Western equivalents, but also get certified to use the application server system in the industry and for government agencies, because they can not afraid of bookmarks.

ROCK-R includes server modules (nodes), the number of which can be changed depending on the required loads from the four computational and two for data storage of up to 44 knots. The maximum supported data to 17 petabytes (a petabyte is a thousand terabytes or a million gigabytes) are supported failover configurations and virtual machines. During the development were the main focus of energy efficiency, as the main costs after entering such systems are electricity.

The direct costs of the project amounted to 60 million rubles, "even under the old course", according to Sergey Eskin, President Depo Computers, however, all participants noted that it is incorrect to estimate the cost of the project only in cash, since spent hundreds of man-hours of work and used the previously developed technology.

Sergey Mecocci, Chairman of the Board of IBS, which took on the role of the proponent and architect solutions, announced that import of finished solutions are used only imported processors. When you're ready chips Russian Baikal project, the partners are ready to move on to their application. Other components are manufactured in South East Asia, but they are designed in Russia and to make changes to their schemes unlikely. While IBS is not technically Russian, unlike the other participants of the project, but within a few months plans to complete the transition in the Russian jurisdiction

Russian Domestic Development Multicore Processor Issued

Russian "Baikal Electronics" has released an engineering sample of the new multi-core processor "Baikal-T1" at 1.2 GHz on 28 nm process technology. This is stated in a statement. Hopes that the processor will be used in telecom devices, industrial automation