The Situation in the Ukraine. #10

KomissarBojanchev wrote:

kvs wrote:Ukraine was indeed a German project.  Lenin and the Bolshevik revolution was a joint western project of the USA, UK and Germany
to take down the Russian Empire.

http://tarpley.net/metaphysical-doubts-concerning-the-existence-of-modern-ukraine-a-1918-creation-of-the-german-general-staff/

The systematic removal of the active role of the west in this region is obscene.   This selective memory is yet more anti-Russian
hate.   Lenin was like ISIS.   Supposedly he was the enemy of the capitalists that facilitated his rise to power.  Supposedly.

BTW, Trotsky went on fund raising junket to the USA:

http://www.wildboar.net/multilingual/easterneuropean/russian/literature/articles/whofinanced/whofinancedleninandtrotsky.html

http://reformed-theology.org/html/books/bolshevik_revolution/chapter_02.htm

Retarded articles written by orthodox zealots or rich bourgeois pompous assholes are hardly evidence. What you're propogating is one of the greatest lies spread in this century. I call it the great white lie. A lie created by the escaped dvoryans and today's russian nazis whose function is to idealise and create nostalgia for russian feudalism and monarchism.

If the bolsheviks were their project, why did the capitalist colonial empire  send thousands of troops to invade russia, not to mention the jewish and anglosaxon bankers financing your beloved white general's private armies who started the civil war in the first place?

In fact the bolsheviks were the biggest nightmare for the west. They threatened to create a modernised republic whose main function would be fight the capitalist empires. They threatened to remove the romanov inbred anglosaxon scumfuck family  which completely pandered to the entente's economic by buying unfair  jewish loans  and western goods instead of indigineous russian ones. If the october revolution wouldn't've happened, russia would be western imperial geopolitical puppet ruled by a non-russian royal family and it's peasents and working class exploited as cheap labor.

The nonsense in your comemnt is astonishing.

Bolschevics are a product from a western lead conpiracy with a lenin send from germany to russia, so much is clear, the october revolution like it was quite obvious and preplanned to steer up a revolution during war time within to destroy russias front in WW1 which it did, unorganized like it was, genocide under bolschewics and cheka, lost of territories due the revolution fuck up inside, territories of czech,belarus and ukraine and yes Ukraine same as belarus did never exist in human history, they appeared only after 1991, they were a mere fabrication under such bastards like lenin which undermined and divided one people and one nation which we can clearly see today and this hasn't changed a bit same fuckwits from backthen are dividing and sending slavic people against slavic people. It is an old zionistic anglo suckson project like in WW1 same in WW2 and like it seems in WW3 too, they are sending indoctrinated germans against russians, three times already and that is not a conspiracy theory that is a god damn fact. This is an very old anglo suckson dream which they have playing for over century dividing nations and people, indoctrinating them and playing one against the other. KVS is right.

KomissarBojanchev wrote:

kvs wrote:Ukraine was indeed a German project.  Lenin and the Bolshevik revolution was a joint western project of the USA, UK and Germany
to take down the Russian Empire.

http://tarpley.net/metaphysical-doubts-concerning-the-existence-of-modern-ukraine-a-1918-creation-of-the-german-general-staff/

The systematic removal of the active role of the west in this region is obscene.   This selective memory is yet more anti-Russian
hate.   Lenin was like ISIS.   Supposedly he was the enemy of the capitalists that facilitated his rise to power.  Supposedly.

BTW, Trotsky went on fund raising junket to the USA:

http://www.wildboar.net/multilingual/easterneuropean/russian/literature/articles/whofinanced/whofinancedleninandtrotsky.html

http://reformed-theology.org/html/books/bolshevik_revolution/chapter_02.htm

Retarded articles written by orthodox zealots or rich bourgeois pompous assholes are hardly evidence. What you're propogating is one of the greatest lies spread in this century. I call it the great white lie. A lie created by the escaped dvoryans and today's russian nazis whose function is to idealise and create nostalgia for russian feudalism and monarchism.

If the bolsheviks were their project, why did the capitalist colonial empire  send thousands of troops to invade russia, not to mention the jewish and anglosaxon bankers financing your beloved white general's private armies who started the civil war in the first place?

In fact the bolsheviks were the biggest nightmare for the west. They threatened to create a modernised republic whose main function would be fight the capitalist empires. They threatened to remove the romanov inbred anglosaxon scumfuck family  which completely pandered to the entente's economic by buying unfair  jewish loans  and western goods instead of indigineous russian ones. If the october revolution wouldn't've happened, russia would be western imperial geopolitical puppet ruled by a non-russian royal family and it's peasents and working class exploited as cheap labor.

Quite right.

Germany was hardly on the same side as Britain and the US during those times. In case one didn't notice - they were at war, or soon to be.
By 1917 Germany was sending millions of tons of American shipping down to the depths of the ocean, along with thousands of Americans; it was also conducting secret negotiations with Mexico on support for seizing American territory - as by that time America was enthusiastically loaning money and selling munitions to Britain and France; and it's entry into the war to protect its investments was only viewed as a matter of time.

I doubt that Germany honestly cared much though about such causes - as Mexico regaining lost territories, or Irish independence (which it also attempted to support). It wanted to harm and tie down the allies and relieve the pressure on its own forces.

Germany had a chance to take down its biggest opponent at the time, Russia - and it took it. It's help for Lenin was completely opportunistic and even a layman can see that. They didn't know nor care about his ideology.
It was an earlier example of 'my enemy's enemy is my friend'; that America later popularized by funding Islamists that later came back to chomp it on the ass.

Actually Germany's involvement wasn't that great; it pretty much provided him a private train and safe passage to get from Switzerland to Russia - that's it.
Britain's 'involvment' extended only to Lenin having lived in Britain a number of years some time earlier - back then the British hardly cared about this political dissident of little consenquence; except perhaps to use him and other exiled dissidents as a lever of influence against Russia; who back then were not yet their allies at war.

Lenin was always his own man, with his own ideas; and he was pretty much against every single establishment and government of the day - even those that elicited help from in order to move forward his goals. They underestimated him.

ALERT

Seems I spoke too soon about the Ukies learning their lesson

Starting 2 days ago a heavy artillery bombardment began to rock Donetsk:

http://nahnews.com.ua/134284-peremirie-zavershilos-doneck-obstrelyan-so-vsex-storon/
http://www.segodnya.ua/regions/donetsk/doneck-sotryasayut-moshchnye-vzryvy-582911.html
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=newssearch&cd=8&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CEUQqQIoADAH&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ntv.ru%2Fnovosti%2F1285277%2F&ei=VkOxVPCsIOHmyQP0loHYBA&usg=AFQjCNE3cQeHptQkQuIXoAYLVeT6UZR8FQ&sig2=lA0bdO5kYpyrE7-E8wozgQ&bvm=bv.83339334,d.bGQ

And today there are some reports that fighting is going on involving tanks and heavy weapons:

http://postlive.ru/poligraf_pravdin/193

Seems the artillery bombardment was a preliminary one.

And this is all happening ahead of the next Russia-West meeting in Kazakhstan on the Ukrainian issue. Not a co-incidence I'd say.

Apparently they tried a skirmish against Lughansk too, but the Puky army got beaten back and lost about 10 men.

Yeah, no co-incidence at all........ NATO/USA is really trying hard to prevent Russia getting off of the sanctions list and will kill all the necessary people in Eastern Ukraine if they have to.

Here is what that fag Yatsenpuke said in Germany: http://russia-insider.com/en/2015/01/09/2299

Live before millions of German viewers, in Berlin with the Reichstag in the background, Ukraine's PM Arseniy Yatsenyuk announced to universal amazement: „nobody is entitled to rewrite the outcome of WW2“.

The setting is an interview with Tagesthemen („Issues of the day“)- Germany's second most important TV news magazine.

Which outcome, we beg his pardon? But the – wait for it – the Soviet invasion of Germany of course! How is that for rewriting the outcome of WW2?

In a country where the denial of the Holocaust a criminal offense, and where Nazi insignia – so popular in Ukraine today - is illegal, Yats had just declared:

„Russian aggression in the Ukraine is a threat to world order“

„We can all very well remember the Soviet invasion of the Ukraine and Germany. This must be prevented from happening again”

Ratsenpuke will never learn.

Is not coincidence that after France calls for lifting Russian sanctions , they experience a mass scale terrorist attack
on their cities..  (remember what i told of Zionist islamization agenda of europe..and US/CIA secret armies ,sleep terrorist cells in Europe that they can activate at any time in case an european nation becomes close to Russia)

Pretty much looks like USA will not give up with Ukraine and is pushing the Kiev junta to continue the war..
They know the price of getting eastern ukraine will be very costly.. because they not only needs to fight
Novorossiya forces.. with Russia help.. but also the civilians will see the ukie army as a foreign invasion of
a hostile nation.. So you will see a lot of what the americans experienced in the IRAQ invasion.. that most of their casualties began after they defeated the iraqui army and "took control" of bagdad. There will be lots of Bombs roads ,
and sabotage missions.. in short they will not be able to hold eastern ukraine by force..for long.. even if they suceed with the army..at first.. neither kiev will have the economy to maintain a long effective control.. because all civilians
will be very hostile to them and will see the kiev army as an occupation.. Don't think neither Russia will give up Ukraine without a fight even if they have no interest in taking more territory.. Russian Government understand..
that if US and Kiev take control of eastern ukraine ,the fight then will be taken to Crimea next.

All said.. the things to pay attention is the more provocations you will see by Kiev junta to provoke Russia to invade..
Either bombing on crimea with artillery supplied by USA.. or terrorist attacks with torpedos on Russian merchant
ships by the ukraine patrol boats..  US have deployed the CIA and proffessional american soldiers in eastern Ukraine and kiev.. so will be very easy for the americans to provoke Russia into a war acting as ukraine soldiers.  

The conflict could end on a direct confrontation between US and Russia.. because Russian Government understand
it is americans the ones who are encouraging ukraine to continue the war and supplying military equipment too ,to them.  The real Goal is not a military victory ,which USA knows cannot be possible.. at Russian borders.. but economic warfare.. to keep European Sanctions on place.. and sabotage as much as possible its economy..by forcing Russia into a war with Ukraine.

The Big Risk ,in US criminal policy in Ukraine is that the europeans could get **FED up** ,with TR1's lovely nation
-USA and its proxy war against RUssia and began to ditch their union to NATO and show support to Russia.. This is already happening with Syria ..that germany recently told Turkey to keep their terrorist away on entry in Syria..    but with slightly more diplomatic words.. at a some level.. when you have France asking for lifting sanctions on Russia.. and Le Penn asking for leaving NATO. Czech and Hungary clearly will not side against Russia.. no need of course to mention Serbia..and same with Greece , Italy ,Spain ,Bulgaria and others.. germany will be neutral.. i could see Austria even siding with Russia and Findland and norway.. will be neutral too. So if USA provoke a major war start.. you will see a Big Division of Europe. And US will lose the control of most of Europe ,with only the pro NAZI/Pro Zionist states of Poland and baltic states and UK in the side of USA.

i could even forsee.. USA provoking Russia to sink one of their oldest warships. in order to artificially create
more divisions between Russia and Europe.. If Russia attack USA it should be done where it hurts more, at their economy.. a simple attack on Saudi Arabia oil fields and Saudi Kings and family palace killing them.. will be enough to provoke not only the oil prices to return to $100 but a major civil war in Saudi Arabia. And no longer US dollar will retain its world status.


In summary.. it appears that some Mayor significant changes are happening in Europe and will continue to happen and not for the benefit of TR1's lovely Terrorist State of USA. Obama not even dared to show in the march of France.. and this was noticed even by their own CNN media.. perhaps for fear of him be called a terrorist for his support for ISIS and other terrorist groups in Syria ,that return to europe after get tired of the fighting taking with them their new learned and developed Criminal behavior and  conduct.  

If things continue in the same way as they are.. now.. i could see USA becomingisolated in the world..
in the political arena with Israel.  we need to follow closely the developments in France to see if Holland will continue sponsoring lifting Sanctions on Russia after this terrorist attack on their nation.. which in my opinion was done by US and or Israel as a warning to him.. that they will target France if they continue pushing against US economic war against Russia.. It is also worth to remember.. that when the US Congress declares a memorandum of Cold War against Russia and their commitment to militarizing Russian borders and arming Ukraine , that French President
did a surprise short nonformal visit directly to Putin ,to try to ease the tensions .

In short all this show , that there is a very strong opinion in most of Europe against USA proxy war against Russia.. . So if i were to bet.. it will be that in the long run ,US will lose miserably in their objectives of isolation of Russia Economy.. Not only in their proxy war in Ukraine but also in IRAQ and Syria.You never see Kerry in any negotiations for peace between Kiev and eastern ukraine. But you always see France and Germany ministers present. Clearly they oppose USA militarization of Ukraine. I even heard Hollande before saying that arming Ukraine will solve nothing. Kerry only visit ukraine to give them more weapons..to continue the fight. So if i were to bet ,on the long term.. 5 to 10 years.. i can see Europe completely split and the European Union no longer existing. And NATO losing most of its members.. If Marine Lepen wins next elections.. it will be a big blow to US global agendas.. because they are promoting to leave not only the European Union but also NATO and Marie Lepeen is on record saying she admire Putin..for his humanitarian role in the world..  and she even told was disappointed with  USA policies.   Definitively a French -Russo alliance will completely surpass all my best expectations for a better world.. and will certainly a big blow to NATO . not mentioning the big opportunity for technology cooperation between both nations on the military level..

But didn't you say that sanctions are harmless to Russia? They will be lifted soon anyways, I can hardly see conspiracy here, just failed multiculturalism and crappy security.

http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/1984645.html
Мгновения войны 12.01

It looks the war is again full scale.. in every place.. and reports of the Novorosiya militia liberating new villages..
and very intense infighting in the donetsk airport at rocket grenade range..   The ukies seems were given the order to
start a full scale war.. again.. just 2 days after France demanded the sanctions to be lifted in Russia.. Reports also of george Soros .. was in kiev the same day the fighting began.. claiming Russia" is doomed ,that they do not have an
economy to fight anywhere. "

I don't understand this map.. but looks like some fighting behind enemy lines in eastern Ukraine and some advancement by the Rebels.. but not sure..



And this video shows apparently pro Russian fighters firing a rocket at kiev militia in the airport. with
some celebration in the end. Apparently the ukies received more casualties that donetsk . The Donetsk minister told
a day ago.. kiev lost 200 fighters.. between wounded or killed.




http://en.voicesevas.ru/news/yugo-vostok/3352-the-war-in-novorossia-online-01122015-chronicle.html

Light pink is supposedly areas with partisan activity.

In short all this show , that there is a very strong opinion in most of Europe against USA proxy war against Russia..

And what about the so called European government in Brussels? Maybe transpearancy and common sense may help them achieve their noble goal of absolute power?

etaepsilonk wrote:Light pink is supposedly areas with partisan activity.

You mean fights behind the lines ? between kiev and novorossiya forces?


About the bus shelled with civilians.. it looks like another Mh17 false flag event.. even though none of the bodies
of civilians have been shown.. but Kiev is using the incident to frame Novorosiya for "terrorism" and warcrimes..
when they are the ones who are breaking the cease of fire and indiscriminately shelling cities.

Vann7 wrote:

etaepsilonk wrote:Light pink is supposedly areas with partisan activity.

You mean fights behind the lines ? between kiev and novorossiya forces?


About the bus shelled with civilians.. it looks like another Mh17 false flag event.. even though none of the bodies
of civilians have been shown.. but Kiev is using the incident to frame Novorosiya for "terrorism" and warcrimes..
when they are the ones who are breaking the cease of fire and indiscriminately shelling cities.

Yes.

As for the bus, it's quite interesting that none of the survivors was interviewed about the incident...

etaepsilonk wrote:

Vann7 wrote:

etaepsilonk wrote:Light pink is supposedly areas with partisan activity.

You mean fights behind the lines ? between kiev and novorossiya forces?


About the bus shelled with civilians.. it looks like another Mh17 false flag event.. even though none of the bodies
of civilians have been shown.. but Kiev is using the incident to frame Novorosiya for "terrorism" and warcrimes..
when they are the ones who are breaking the cease of fire and indiscriminately shelling cities.

Yes.

As for the bus, it's quite interesting that none of the survivors was interviewed about the incident...

Which is the reason RUssia should never invade.. officially Ukraine with its army... unless they have plans to not longer make business with Europe.it will be false flag fest.. with thousands civilians killed in staged attacks and all blamed to Russian army. The US Neoliberal elite will love to see Russian army officially invading as they did in Georgia.. because Ukraine have nuclear reactors that they will not mind blowing up them ,to frame Russia.. and later the radiation will destroy the economy of southern Russia and Crimea significantly destroying Russia tourism for ever..


Contrary to the fantasy world that Fanboys like TR1 and others believe.. US government and their anglozionist jewish elite sponsors are the most incredibly evil nations in the planet ,never known in modern history . even more than Hitler or stalin combined could ever be..  The don't care about americans , only about the interestof the 1% of the elite ,And their global agendas empire if they ever were successful , in destroying Russia ,will include the extermination of 95% of population of the world.. through civil wars ,biological weapons that shows from the nothing ,chemtrails ,and or genetically modified foods like Montosanto and forced vaccines ,that will poison civilians over years to get mortal Illness that will slowly kill them.

Watch this.. you will be horrorized at what american Pharmaceuticals companies have been doing in the world.
The corruption of the government is so Big ,that no even you can trust now in their institutions that are supposed
to heal you and keep you alive.

For the normal people ,with feelings ,the next movie will cause you to feel sick of watching it alone..
Not because of graphical violence but because of the information given.




They want to not only control the world economy completely and have only one world bank under they control..
but also the food.. be under their control too.. and become the world police..and poison the water and food people eat for forced de-population. only very ignorant and completely uneducated people will support such kind of Empire and slavery and total control of society in 21 century.

This is why americans should avoid whenever is possible Vaccines, specially if made mandatory by the government.
But also only consume organic food , Because no kidding they want to get rid of the society.. but slowly over the years. .because otherwise people will start a revolution over night if they aware their government are slowly planning to kill most of them. Specially the poorer and middle class that will be a major burden to their economy.

Bus was next to Ukrainian military post. Post got whacked by artillery along with this bus. Simple. How would artilkeryman know whats close to his target over 5-30km away? Lesson - stay away from any military installations or soldier positions. If they position themselves next to Your house - find shelter somewhere else. Plenty of empty houses and flats. And people should think twice before using any transport near the front lines.
Other theory is that when firing happened people got out to of the bus and tripped nearby mine.
And thiz theory is very plausible, look at this picture http://cdn3.img22.ria.ru/images/104242/07/1042420714.jpg
So it means Ukr media lied again. But it whatever happened it's doesn't change fact they were coletaral. Not the target just innocents. Similar things happened in Balkan mess. You can't escape that and yes war is shit.
And if You see conspiracies everywhere either You know nothing or you have some problems.

Regular wrote:Bus was next to Ukrainian military post. Post got whacked by artillery along with this bus. Simple.

Other theory is that when firing happened people got out to of the bus and tripped nearby mine.

In the video, many seemed to have died in their seats, appearantly undisturbed by any firing.


Plus, no testimonies of survivors yet. If this was ukraine's provocation, no witnessess would be awfully convenient, wouldn't it?

Thanks for picture, pretty much proves mine theory. But sure there should be survivors. But I think Ukr media will never print their version if events.

US incapable of backing down on Russia over Ukraine.

http://rt.com/op-edge/222563-ukraine-usa-sanctions-russia-economy/

Here's video of bus incident. Grad fire can be seen. At 1:50 we can see bus and crater. Maybe people panicked and got out and triggered that mine?

Nice trophy

Regular wrote:
Nice trophy

IS that a novorosiya fighter with a NATO rifle?

Vann7 wrote:

Regular wrote:
Nice trophy

IS that a novorosiya fighter with a NATO rifle?

No, it's Ukrainian soldier with modernized ASVK. I've seen this rifle in the hands of Serbian volunteers. Some of them where captured(arrested) . Could be the case here.

Meanwhile Ukraine is asking the european union and the entire world to recognize the Donetsk and Lugansk republics as "Terrorist organizations"     Based on the previous selling of 12 civilians..   The Hypocrisy in kiev is unbelievable .  It is more than obvious that kiev is not interested in any peaceful negotiations with eastern ukraine.
And wants to create a world coalition against  eastern Ukraine.  

http://itar-tass.com/en/world/771184

Im sure that Hypocrites ,like some forum members that everyone knows ,and call Russia the aggressor in ukraine and complains about Russia military help for ethnic Russians to defend from kiev attacks ,will agree with this kiev resolution.asking to declare eastern ukraine as "terrorist". While completely ignore the thousands civilians killed before by the ukraine army and completely ignore the hundred ones burned alive in Odessa. and their ethnic cleansin happening against civilians in zones that ukraine army occupy. IT looks like a framed event.. You basically shoot with guns at someone provoking him to fire back.. while covering behind civilians. Just that in this time the civilian boss was not visible..  as i told before ,The MH-17 incident i told it was made by Kiev.. i didn't had doubts about it.. but this incident ,how quickly US ordered an investigation..looks like the Novorosiya Rebels were framed into a trap and provoked into firing into a security post where the kiev minions knew civilians were present..

This does not surprise me not even a little. Was wondering what new trick the kiev junta will try to pull next..to try to earn the world sympathy with their criminal war. Not surprising either Without any investigation being done ,US is already blaming the Russian rebels.. as they call them..Clearly USA is desperate to maintain the war going and why
kiev have launched a new wave of attacks .

update..
Apparently there was a hell of a battle in donetsk airport and kiev forces got wiped an in a big way..
The reinforced concrete tower of observation they were using to direct their artillery attack collapsed into the ground
with the ukies inside. and others got trapped.. the reports say they now fully control the airport.

http://en.voicesevas.ru/news/yugo-vostok/3360-roundup-of-novorossia-for-january-13-14.html

watch the translated video inside. Cassad TV now is using even computer animations to explain
better what happened in the airport.