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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #10

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    Post  higurashihougi Sat Jan 31, 2015 5:04 am

    par far wrote:He's not a terriost, terriosts are American soliders, they are NATO soliders, that go and invade some country, so the their masters can steal that countries resources. That solider in your picture was fighting for his country.

    Terrorists are here:

    https://scontent-b-sin.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10945374_457138827772115_4843010568807079874_n.jpg?oh=9fb0dcea640b2945ce57d9a86f7242e9&oe=556B747D
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    Post  VladimirSahin Sat Jan 31, 2015 5:56 am

    [quote="F-15E"]russian (soldier) terrorist killed



    иди на хуй американец сука if you live in europe send me your address and I will show you what it is to disrespect just ONE Russian soldier you stupid yankee хуй sucker. And yes translate what I wrote I don't think I will get in trouble for cursing in Russian and English hybrid sentences will I?
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sat Jan 31, 2015 5:57 am

    Sh*t just got real, Pukrainian army is in shambles:

    Ukraine’s Aidar battalion fighters besiege military HQ in Kiev (PHOTOS, VIDEO)
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    Post  F-15E Sat Jan 31, 2015 9:14 am

    [quote="VladimirSahin"]
    F-15E wrote:russian (soldier) terrorist killed


    иди на хуй американец сука if you live in europe send me your address and I will show you what it is to disrespect just ONE Russian soldier you stupid yankee хуй sucker. And yes translate what I wrote I don't think I will get in trouble for cursing in Russian and English hybrid sentences will I?

    Hahahahahahahah, you'll pee on you,stay in your house and keep eating cookies,call your mom to protect you haha,you russians are so funny !  Very Happy

    Ukrainian servicemen fight at their position near Lysychansk, in Luhansk region January 29, 2015. German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier said on Thursday that a fresh offensive by pro-Russian rebels in Ukraine would warrant more sanctions on Russia, while acknowledging that the new Greek government had not made discussions with EU peers easier.

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    Post  Werewolf Sat Jan 31, 2015 9:53 am

    FFS moderators do your job and ban this subhuman!
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    Post  F-15E Sat Jan 31, 2015 9:55 am

    Werewolf wrote:FFS moderators do your job and ban this subhuman!

    You won't say that if i was a putin's bitch.
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    Post  TR1 Sat Jan 31, 2015 9:58 am

    F-15E wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:FFS moderators do your job and ban this subhuman!

    You won't say that if i was a putin's bitch.

    Why are you not in Ukraine right now? Go fight those terrorists!
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    Post  F-15E Sat Jan 31, 2015 10:03 am

    TR1 wrote:
    F-15E wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:FFS moderators do your job and ban this subhuman!

    You won't say that if i was a putin's bitch.

    Why are you not in Ukraine right now? Go fight those terrorists!

    If i could,sure i will !!
    I'll join my friends of Azov and Aydar,and will clean the area. russia
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    Post  Flyingdutchman Sat Jan 31, 2015 10:29 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    Flyingdutchman wrote:
    par far wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:
    par far wrote:
    It always sucks when civilians are killed but I think the fascists are targeting the civilians on purpose., they do this in Syria, Iraq and everywhere. This just tells you that they are all from same evil pool.  

    But remember that TR1 told Ukraine have the legitimate rights to "defend its territory"..  and that they should return Crimea to kiev.. Rolling Eyes and that Russia have no right to interfere there...not even if thousands of civilians women and children are systematically killed for their support to Russia. In chechenia Russia bombed thousands of civilians too for fun ,so they have no justification to protect civilians in Ukraine.. Rolling Eyes  SO according to him anything that kiev is doing is none Russia business and should look to the sides regardless if thousands or millions are killed there. . If this was the 40s.. he will be in the side of Hitler for sure..and complain of Stalin invading Germany.. is not right. to invade other nations ever.



    TR1 is a brainwashed Zionist tool. If you look at Syria and Iraq, the terrorists are doing exactly what the fascists are doing in Ukraine and that is shelling civilians. This just proves the same evil that trained the terrorists in Syria and Iraq, trained the fascists in Ukraine.

    Ukraine is not the only one shelling civilians at all and you know that damn well...

    Overwhelmingly it is. Rebels haven't been shelling any settlements consistently; at most just some counter-battery fire, corrections or whatever, that causes collateral damage.
    If you look at Donetsk or Gorlovka that have been shelled every single day for weeks on end by now - you'll see that these are rebel-held settlements.. guess who's shelling them?

    Mariupol and other towns are well within rebel artillery range now. With the exception of that fuck up last week (still not confirmed to be rebel artillery), they haven't been getting touched.

    You see, the rebels need the locals on their side.
    Kiev needs the locals gone.

    Mariupol was shelled and who else but the rebels would shell Mariupol?
    There were Ukrainian troops right there so why would Ukraine shell the city?
    Come on it had to be the rebels.

    Don't get me wrong i am absolutely not supporting Ukraine in this war cause they do a lot war crimes aswell, i actually support no one.
    But the rebels commit war crimes aswell and you all know that.
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    Post  TR1 Sat Jan 31, 2015 10:54 am

    F-15E wrote:
    TR1 wrote:
    F-15E wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:FFS moderators do your job and ban this subhuman!

    You won't say that if i was a putin's bitch.

    Why are you not in Ukraine right now? Go fight those terrorists!

    If i could,sure i will !!
    I'll join my friends of Azov and Aydar,and will clean the area. russia

    Sounds like your friends in Aydar are not doing too hot these days LOL.
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    Post  F-15E Sat Jan 31, 2015 11:00 am

    TR1 wrote:
    F-15E wrote:
    TR1 wrote:
    F-15E wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:FFS moderators do your job and ban this subhuman!

    You won't say that if i was a putin's bitch.

    Why are you not in Ukraine right now? Go fight those terrorists!

    If i could,sure i will !!
    I'll join my friends of Azov and Aydar,and will clean the area. russia

    Sounds like your friends in Aydar are not doing too hot these days LOL.

    What can they do against the russian army ?
    They're still fighting bravely. (unlike some cowards russia )
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    Post  TR1 Sat Jan 31, 2015 11:05 am

    F-15E wrote:
    TR1 wrote:
    F-15E wrote:
    TR1 wrote:
    F-15E wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:FFS moderators do your job and ban this subhuman!

    You won't say that if i was a putin's bitch.

    Why are you not in Ukraine right now? Go fight those terrorists!

    If i could,sure i will !!
    I'll join my friends of Azov and Aydar,and will clean the area. russia

    Sounds like your friends in Aydar are not doing too hot these days LOL.

    What can they do against the russian army ?
    They're still fighting bravely. (unlike some cowards russia  )

    Uh, no moron. They are in the process of being disbanded LOL.

    Looks like you are not really very well informed.

    Man, you suck at trolling.
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    Post  Kyo Sat Jan 31, 2015 11:06 am

    After decades of US occupation and meddling, here in Latin America we have a widespread saying: Yankees go home!
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    Post  F-15E Sat Jan 31, 2015 11:23 am

    Kyo wrote:After decades of US occupation and meddling, here in Latin America we have a widespread saying: Yankees go home!

    Hahahaha,keep dreaming ! Very Happy
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    Post  GarryB Sat Jan 31, 2015 11:49 am

    What can they do against the russian army ?

    What has the Russia Army to do with this?

    If the Russian Army was involved the so called rebels would be in Kiev by now.

    Sadly this is Ukrainians killing Ukrainians... and the conscripted ones fighting for a nazi government don't seem to be that effective against men and women defending their land... who weren't given a choice as to whether to fight or not.

    Which is really funny considering you clearly have ties to the Ukraine because the web address you stored the photo on was from the Ukraine... I would think you would take a war between Ukrainians more seriously.

    BTW with US troops training Ukrainian soldiers... how long do you think before photos of dead US soldiers start appearing on the internet...

    Funny how the Russians get sanctions against them for unproven claims of support for the rebels, yet the US and NATO openly supports the legitimate government and its brutal oppression of its own citizens... they don't even use artillery against civilians in the US... yet.

    I am going to give you a three day ban for posting inappropriate pictures and just basically being a prick... this is a Russian forum... you said you wanted to learn more in your introduction... if you stick to that we will be fine. If you want to troll and be more of a prick the ban will become permanent.

    Perhaps in the three days of not posting you can think for yourself why you come here... do you want to antagonise and wind people up? Or do you want to contribute... and perhaps prove to some people here that Russia and the US might be able to get along like SOC and Mike E and others manage to do.

    Of course I would expect a 34 year old to show some maturity... would be sad if you prove me wrong.
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    Post  medo Sat Jan 31, 2015 12:01 pm

    F-15E wrote:
    TR1 wrote:
    F-15E wrote:
    TR1 wrote:
    F-15E wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:FFS moderators do your job and ban this subhuman!

    You won't say that if i was a putin's bitch.

    Why are you not in Ukraine right now? Go fight those terrorists!

    If i could,sure i will !!
    I'll join my friends of Azov and Aydar,and will clean the area. russia

    Sounds like your friends in Aydar are not doing too hot these days LOL.

    What can they do against the russian army ?
    They're still fighting bravely. (unlike some cowards russia  )

    Chief of general stuff of Ukrainian army said, that there is no Russian army in Ukraine, but there are Russian voluntiers, which are fighting in Novorussian army. So the dead soldier is not Russian soldier, but Novorussian soildier. They are not terrorists, but regular state army fighting Ukrainian army and Nazis in classical conventional war on the front.
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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt Sat Jan 31, 2015 12:18 pm

    Guys, any useful updates on the actual military situation? It seems that a lot is happening, but little useful information is coming out.
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    Post  higurashihougi Sat Jan 31, 2015 12:28 pm

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:Guys, any useful updates on the actual military situation? It seems that a lot is happening, but little useful information is coming out.

    Nothing much is changing. Basically Novo troops are trying to 100% physically seal the Debaltsevo pocket at the area between Luhanske and Debaltsevo.

    There is a tiny balcony links the Ukie pocket to the outside world. But this tiny balcony is completely under artilerry range of Novo.
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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt Sat Jan 31, 2015 12:38 pm

    higurashihougi wrote:
    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:Guys, any useful updates on the actual military situation? It seems that a lot is happening, but little useful information is coming out.

    Nothing much is changing. Basically Novo troops are trying to 100% physically seal the Debaltsevo pocket at the area between Luhanske and Debaltsevo.

    There is a tiny balcony links the Ukie pocket to the outside world. But this tiny balcony is completely under artilerry range of Novo.

    Thanks.

    http://rt.com/news/227899-ukraine-troops-debaltsevo-trap/
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    Post  Kyo Sat Jan 31, 2015 1:35 pm

    Now that the F-15E troll has been banned, we can get back to the essentials:

    Russian TV shows Debaltsevo cauldron forecast - the Balkan storm is coming!


    January 30, 2015
    Translated by Krisitna Rus

    There is intense fighting around Debaltsevo, the initiative is with the militia, Ukrainian military is taking losses and giving up positions. It is cold to sleep in the trenches. For snipers and artillery fire spotters visibility is important. But there is almost no visibility - fog...
    I am joined by a head specialist of the Weather Center Fobus, Vadim Zavodchenko.
    Is the weather not on the side of the Ukrainian army?
    Alexey, it will be difficult for everyone, but Ukrainian military is surrounded, on foreign land, and the atmosphere will create additional problems for them. And this is what I am going to talk about.
    Of course near Debaltsevo, one is not likely to freeze during active fighting, but if the siege is prolonged, the weather factor will play an important role and will further demoralize Ukrainian soldiers.
    Let's look at the meteo-conditions in the area of the clashes.
    The average temperature in Ukraine is weakly positive. This is much warmer then normal.
    Most of the country has little snow, and only Eastern regions have snow banks over 10 meters.
    Such warm scenario produces a lot of thick fog. I want to remind you, while covering with a fog curtain, Ukrainian troops just recently attempted their attacks on Donetsk.
    In South-East Ukraine one may count on one hand the number of sunny days in January. The climatic norm for fog is doubled, and they stick around a lot longer then usual. Record darkness descended on Volnovakha on January 27. Imagine the visibility of 100 meters in the city for more then 80 hours in a row.
    Foggy conditions exclude the use of aviation, military, as well as transport. Therefore one cannot expect any support from the air.
    In the next few days the flow of moist and warm air towards the South-East Ukraine will keep increasing. The region will be in the sphere of influence of an active Balkan storm system. This cyclone will increase the discomfort. The fog will be aided by a storm wind and precipitation.
    Please note, in just two weekend days the Mediterranean air mass will pour more then 30-35 mm of precipitation on South-Eastern regions. This is a monthly norm. And the worst weather will be on February 1st. The roads will turn into mud. Even in peaceful times this paralyses transport, not to mention a zone of military operations.
    And although the storm will come to Ukraine from the south, it will not seem warm.
    In meteorology there is a concept of comfortable temperature. When one goes outside, a person dressed for the season may feel the surrounding air warmer or colder then it is in reality.
    High humidity along with strong wind significantly lowers the perception of real temperature.
    While blowing at the skin such flows cool down the body.
    Look, tomorrow in Debaltsevo - rain, strong wind, +4' C, which will feel like -2'C
    On Sunday the rain and wind will strengthen, although the air warmed up to +7'C will get into the city, it will feel like 0'C.
    Imagine the condition of thousands of Ukrainians surrounded in the open fields.
    And only in the beginning of next week the weather will improve and the difference between the real and perceived temperature will begin to shorten.
    Alexey, we should hope that along with fog and bad weather, the tension in the region will dissipate as well!
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    Post  Vann7 Sat Jan 31, 2015 2:42 pm

    The only thing Novo fighters needs to do ,to force a cease of fire is to force the ukrainian soldiers to surrender in the
    devaltsevo cauldron with their weapons and equipmentand tanks..  8,000 soldiers is a huge number.. and if they all surrender..lets say ..because they are tired of fighting for the oligarchs in kiev.. and give away all their heavy weapons ,tanks and artillery it will be a game changer in the entire conflict. If they ukie forces surrender in the devaltsevo cauldron it will be game over for kiev ,it could potentially provoke a chain reaction and the entire ukraine army at least the regular forces will stop fighting for kiev and kiev will have no other choice to negotiate inconditionally with Novorosiya.

    The problem however is far from over.. if the western anglo zionist believe they cannot win , then they will activate plan c and get rid of Poroshenko and destroy Ukraine to provoke another civil war and force Russia to later to have to deal with the millions of refugees that will move to Russia if a major civil war start in all cities.. and the ukraine army split in 2 or 3 sides. That is if Ukraine will not be for US ,then it will be for no one.

    Things to expect in the future..
    1)Poroshenko kicked from power..(or the ultra nationals declared a terrorist group by kiev)
    2)Split of the Ukraine army in 2 or 3 or more sides.
    3)Artillery Attacks on civilians on Russia territory and crimea from Ukraine territory by CIA/Americans mercenaries. (to provoke Russia to invade )
    4)Attack on nuclear reactors .. later blame it on the Rebels or Russia airforce.


    The contradiction here is.. that if US disband Ukraine with another coup.. and they backup the minority of ultra nationals that get in power.. then US will lose the support of the majority of Ukrainians... including the ones who welcome to be integrated to the EU and do not trust in Russia.

    So from my point of view.. it pretty much looks like US/Nuland revolution in kiev failed big time. and that the only thing left for them is try to cause the major damage possible to Russian economy, that is burn the entire country and destroy the pipelines to europe and blame any new civil war in Ukraine on Russia.. and provoke new sanctions against them..but in the long run.. Ukrainians will see that the west betrayed them..and that Russia is the only one offering them help.  Smile       SO the possibilities of Russia winning Ukraine back or most of it and having an everlasting
    peace with them is very high.

    But is just a possibility , it all depends of the Ukrainians stupidity .. how big it is.. and if they manage to see
    how they are used ,and manipulated.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sat Jan 31, 2015 3:06 pm

    F-15E wrote:
    TR1 wrote:
    F-15E wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:FFS moderators do your job and ban this subhuman!

    You won't say that if i was a putin's bitch.

    Why are you not in Ukraine right now? Go fight those terrorists!

    If i could,sure i will !!
    I'll join my friends of Azov and Aydar,and will clean the area. russia

    Looks like you cherry pick what 'facts' you want to believe? You want to join Aidar batallion, even though they're being disbanded lol?

    Ukraine’s Aidar battalion fighters besiege military HQ in Kiev (PHOTOS, VIDEO)

    ...Yeah you'll join Aidar alright...into non-existence. lol1
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    Post  medo Sat Jan 31, 2015 4:24 pm

    Новороссия
    Полторак подтвердил участие иностранцев в карательной операции

    Министр обороны Украины Степан Полторак заявил, что готов оказать поддержку в получении гражданства его страны иностранным гражданам, принимающим участие в зоне силовой операции в Донбассе на стороне Киева.
    http://novorossia.su/ru/node/13730

    Ukrainian minister of defense Stepan Poltorak confirm, that foreign mercenaries fight for Kiev junta in Donbass and that Kiev will give them Ukrainian passports and citizenship.
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    Post  VladimirSahin Sat Jan 31, 2015 4:31 pm

    F-15E wrote:
    TR1 wrote:
    F-15E wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:FFS moderators do your job and ban this subhuman!

    You won't say that if i was a putin's bitch.

    Why are you not in Ukraine right now? Go fight those terrorists!

    If i could,sure i will !!
    I'll join my friends of Azov and Aydar,and will clean the area. russia

    You're safe behind your screen, Go to Aydar and Azov you will finally join them in hell.
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    Post  par far Sat Jan 31, 2015 4:48 pm

    Vann7 wrote:The only thing Novo fighters needs to do ,to force a cease of fire is to force the ukrainian soldiers to surrender in the
    devaltsevo cauldron with their weapons and equipmentand tanks..  8,000 soldiers is a huge number.. and if they all surrender..lets say ..because they are tired of fighting for the oligarchs in kiev.. and give away all their heavy weapons ,tanks and artillery it will be a game changer in the entire conflict. If they ukie forces surrender in the devaltsevo cauldron it will be game over for kiev ,it could potentially provoke a chain reaction and the entire ukraine army at least the regular forces will stop fighting for kiev and kiev will have no other choice to negotiate inconditionally with Novorosiya.

    The problem however is far from over.. if the western anglo zionist believe they cannot win , then they will activate plan c and get rid of Poroshenko and destroy Ukraine to provoke another civil war and force Russia to later to have to deal with the millions of refugees that will move to Russia if a major civil war start in all cities.. and the ukraine army split in 2 or 3 sides. That is if Ukraine will not be for US ,then it will be for no one.

    Things to expect in the future..
    1)Poroshenko kicked from power..(or the ultra nationals declared a terrorist group by kiev)
    2)Split of the Ukraine army in 2 or 3 or more sides.
    3)Artillery Attacks on civilians on Russia territory and crimea from Ukraine territory by CIA/Americans mercenaries. (to provoke Russia to invade )
    4)Attack on nuclear reactors .. later blame it on the Rebels or Russia airforce.


    The contradiction here is.. that if US disband Ukraine with another coup.. and they backup the minority of ultra nationals that get in power.. then US will lose the support of the majority of Ukrainians... including the ones who welcome to be integrated to the EU and do not trust in Russia.

    So from my point of view.. it pretty much looks like US/Nuland revolution in kiev failed big time. and that the only thing left for them is try to cause the major damage possible to Russian economy, that is burn the entire country and destroy the pipelines to europe and  blame any new civil war in Ukraine on Russia.. and provoke new sanctions against them..but in the long run.. Ukrainians will see that the west betrayed them..and that Russia is the only one offering them help.  Smile       SO the possibilities of Russia winning Ukraine back or most of it and having an everlasting
    peace with them is very high.

    But is just a possibility , it all depends of the Ukrainians stupidity .. how big it is.. and if they manage to see
    how they are used ,and manipulated.

    1) It's not if but when Poroshenko will be kicked out. It's only a matter of time.
    2) This will likely happen, I think one side of Ukraine army will side with Kiev fascists(puppets of US and the bankers), one side will want a independent Ukraine from both US and Russia(I think this will be ignited in Odessa, as Odessa will likely be the capital) and it will include western Ukraine and the other side will support Russia.
    3)This is not likely but can happen, I think the Crimea and Russia is well protected from outside attack, if it were to happen it would have happened.
    4)They will try to do this but I think Russia already know this and will be fully ready to act if it happens.

    One more thing you have to take into account is how will Europe act if it is a all out war, there are some European countries that are already saying no to war and sanctions on Russia.

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