The Situation in the Ukraine. #10

medo wrote:

Новороссия
Полторак подтвердил участие иностранцев в карательной операции

Министр обороны Украины Степан Полторак заявил, что готов оказать поддержку в получении гражданства его страны иностранным гражданам, принимающим участие в зоне силовой операции в Донбассе на стороне Киева.
http://novorossia.su/ru/node/13730

Ukrainian minister of defense Stepan Poltorak confirm, that foreign mercenaries fight for Kiev junta in Donbass and that Kiev will give them Ukrainian passports and citizenship.

Firebird wrote:Surely thats a typo error?
I couldn't see Odessa as part of a Western Ukraine. Its more Russian speakers, it experienced the horrific massacre last yr, and it hates the Nazi W Ukr hohols from the Great Patriotic War times. Infact, there are many Odessans fighting in DOnbass, because its easier to start the campaign next door to Russia, than from Odessa.

Do you mean LVOV as the W Ukraine capital?

par far wrote:

medo wrote:

Новороссия
Полторак подтвердил участие иностранцев в карательной операции

Министр обороны Украины Степан Полторак заявил, что готов оказать поддержку в получении гражданства его страны иностранным гражданам, принимающим участие в зоне силовой операции в Донбассе на стороне Киева.
http://novorossia.su/ru/node/13730

Ukrainian minister of defense Stepan Poltorak confirm, that foreign mercenaries fight for Kiev junta in Donbass and that Kiev will give them Ukrainian passports and citizenship.

This means that regular Ukrainians are running away and saying no to fighting, so the fascists need soldiers and they will bring in mercenaries and private military companies. (speaking private military companies, I am planning on opening my own, they make a lot money).  

Kyo wrote:

par far wrote:

medo wrote:

Новороссия
Полторак подтвердил участие иностранцев в карательной операции

Министр обороны Украины Степан Полторак заявил, что готов оказать поддержку в получении гражданства его страны иностранным гражданам, принимающим участие в зоне силовой операции в Донбассе на стороне Киева.
http://novorossia.su/ru/node/13730

Ukrainian minister of defense Stepan Poltorak confirm, that foreign mercenaries fight for Kiev junta in Donbass and that Kiev will give them Ukrainian passports and citizenship.

This means that regular Ukrainians are running away and saying no to fighting, so the fascists need soldiers and they will bring in mercenaries and private military companies. (speaking private military companies, I am planning on opening my own, they make a lot money).  

Academi PMC and mercenaries in general are not familiar and are handicapped with the terrain/language/weather peculiarities of the Donbass. This is an advantage for the NAF. Anyway, where does Kiev get the funds necessary to finance them (it must be in hard currency, not Hrvinas)?

"Thus began the slaughter"--Debaltsevo and its Consequences

1/31/2015

The Debaltsevo Collapse

By Yurasumy

Translated from Russian by J.Hawk

Fighting in Debaltsevo outskirts have been continuing for several days. Their intensity approaches the earlier fight for the Donetsk Airport. Considering the length of the frontline, the Battle for Debaltsevo is increasingly reminiscent of the Battle of Ilovaysk.
The wedge that was pushed into Novorossia defenses during the summer had strategic sense for the Ukrainian military. In the event the offensive was continued, one could have launched a disintegrating blow that would have cut off the entire Donetsk-Makeyevka-Gorlovka urban agglomeration in one fell swoop. But during the winter, when it became obvious the Ukrainian military is in no condition to attack, from the military point of view the salient should have been abandoned.
But that’s the military point of view. As we know, wars are started and ended by politicians, the soldiers just do the dying. The Ukrainian politicians, for their part, could not care less about Ukrainian soldiers. The media, in its attempt to consolidate Poroshenko’s oligarchic regime, inflated many myths, about the “cyborgs”, the “unbreakable three lines of defense,” etc., thus luring the Ukrainian army into the Debaltsevo noose out of which there is no way out.
One could not have thought of a better configuration of the frontline and the confluence of circumstances (specifically the junta’s attachment to its positions) in order to destroy the Debaltsevo grouping. Novorossia, of course, could not pass it up…
But the Ukrainian soldiers could not retreat. They were forbidden by their commanders, who were told by politicians that they HAVE TO hold on to Debaltsevo, just as they were told half a year ago that they HAVE TO hold Ilovaysk. No matter what. Even if it is an ideal target for modern artillery.
Just to understand the hopelessness of the Ukrainian position, one must keep in mind that at Debaltsevo 90% of casualties are caused by artillery fire. In the last few days Novorossia forces gradually used its artillery to force Ukrainian units off the commanding heights, took the only road from Artemovsk under fire. Junta soldiers report that Novorossia artillery superiority here is simply overwhelming. Even without a full encirclement, Novorossia can shoot Ukrainian fortified points with impunity.
Thus began the slaughter.
It’s been going for over a week. Most of Ukrainian heavy equipment (Debaltsevo alone absorbs a trainload of artillery ammunition per day) was destroyed in the first few days (artillery, armored vehicles, many tanks).
In order to save face, the Kiev politicians have thrown new batches of cannon fodder into the slaughterhouse. In the last few days, only the Kharkov hospital has been receiving nearly 90 wounded from Debaltsevo. And that’s not the only hospital receiving them. So do the hospitals in Artemovs, Kramatorsk, Starobelsk, Slavyansk, Izyum. The official reporting has not changed (only 23 wounded along the entire front, officially). While according to a BBC broadcast, Artemovsk alone received 40 wounded soldiers on a single day.
The recent bombardments of fortified checkpoints near the village of Luganskiy and Uglegorsk resulted in their complete destruction. Uglegorsk was liberated by Novorossia forces, and the junta counterattack ground to a halt as the approaching column was pinned to the ground by Grad MRL fire, which fell unexpectedly and accurately, as always.
The events of January 29-20 show that the agony of the Debaltsevo garrison had begun. It is on that day that Kiev junta’s reserves reached the point of exhaustion and the garrison defense began to break down. Every day of fighting means new hundreds of wounded and tens of killed soldiers. Given the absence of heavy long-ranged self-propelled Ukrainian artillery near Debaltsevo, the upcoming battles will mean the reduction of the remnants of the garrison by artillery fire and the mopping up of liberated areas. Sooner or later one of the walls of the salient will buckle, with the ensuing panic causing the annihilation and capture of the garrison’s remnants.
But it’s not as simple as that.
For Ukraine’s political elite, such a turn of events means major shifts within the governing elite. Poroshenko is risking not only his power but also his head. Hundreds of armed militants have (spontaneously?) assembled in Kiev, which means that the recent pillar of the regime in the form of several hundred bayonets arrived in Kiev to hear the president report on the progress of his work. Moreover, it’s obvious from their faces they are not concerned about any reports. Dmitriy Yarosh is giving interviews about forming a parallel General Staff, the Right Sector is openly arming its supporters in Kiev, creating the so-called 13th Reserve Battalion. Kiev is hastily preparing for the anniversary of the coup.
Meanwhile in the rear areas…
Meanwhile the economy is sinking to the bottom. Industrial production fell by 20%, December to December. Tens of factories are closing. Even flagships (for example Yuzhmash) are halting production. The crisis of budget non-payment transformed itself into a crisis of wage non-payment. The reason is perfectly banal. The country has no money.
The most fashionable word on the financial markets is DEFAULT. Everything is so bad that Kiev already gave up on talks with the IMF and hired an intermediary to undertake the restructurization of Ukraine’s debt. Ukraine’s Finance Minister Miss Yaresko yesterday proposed Russia (an aggressor, according to Kiev’s new classification) to also participate in the restructurization. It’s surprising she did not propose to buy ammunition from Russia. But I guess that’s the Minister of Defense’s job.
But it will soon come to that, because the ammunition situation in Ukraine is pretty bad. The endless Soviet weapons stores seem to be coming to an end. Ukrainian forces are being supplied with ammunition produced in the 1960s. That’s all that’s left. Ukraine has no ammunition factories. In a few months the Ukrainian military will experience several “ammunition hunger”, to go along with the “vehicle, tank, APC hunger.” Military repair facilities have combed out of the Soviet-era stores everything that could have been fixed up and sent it to the front. There will be NO new replacements. From now on there will be fewer, fewer, and fewer armored vehicles, and more, more, more Bogdan buses build in Poroshenko-owned factories.
The “Debaltsevo collapse” may be the straw the breaks the back of the Ukrainian armed forces. The consequences will likely include the overthrow of the entire Kiev regime. Instead of the plutocrats-oligarchs, the wave of popular displeasure may bring into power in Kiev a purely totalitarian regime of Ukrainian Nazis.

Flyingdutchman wrote:Mariupol was shelled and who else but the rebels would shell Mariupol?
There were Ukrainian troops right there so why would Ukraine shell the city?
Come on it had to be the rebels.

Don't get me wrong i am absolutely not supporting Ukraine in this war cause they do a lot war crimes aswell, i actually support no one.
But the rebels commit war crimes aswell and you all know that.

But the Ukrainian soldiers could not retreat. They were forbidden by their commanders, who were told by politicians that they HAVE TO hold on to Debaltsevo, just as they were told half a year ago that they HAVE TO hold Ilovaysk. No matter what. Even if it is an ideal target for modern artillery.

Just to understand the hopelessness of the Ukrainian position, one must keep in mind that at Debaltsevo 90% of casualties are caused by artillery fire. In the last few days Novorossia forces gradually used its artillery to force Ukrainian units off the commanding heights, took the only road from Artemovsk under fire. Junta soldiers report that Novorossia artillery superiority here is simply overwhelming. Even without a full encirclement, Novorossia can shoot Ukrainian fortified points with impunity.

Kyo wrote:FP: Think I got what you meant and agree in essence. Not sure however if the Dutch example was suited for the Ukrainian case, cause I'm informed that the Netherlands, as well as Belgium, Germany and Italy all harbour US nukes in their territory, nukes that are pointing at a common enemy that is Russia. All EU countries fall under the same US military umbrella and they're all being covertly seduced to sign this infamous TTIP stuff.

Vann7 wrote:

What happened lately in Belarus?
There are reports of major breakup or tension in relations between LUkashenko and Putin..
that he told something about distancing from Russia because of what is happening today.. no idea if is
related with the ruble or with Ukraine..  But people are saying Lukashenko have told something about
distancing from Russia..

Anybody heard anything about?

Belarusian President Alyaksandr Lukashenka has displayed defiance toward Russia and the West, warning them in a marathon news conference that he would bow to no one's will.

Speaking for more than seven hours in an annual news conference on January 29, Lukashenka warned the "Kremlin" and "the West" that "you can't bend me over."

Lukashenka made clear he would seek another term in a November election after nearly 21 years in power, saying "the only reason for an incumbent president not to run is idiocy, stupidity, or illness, and I have none of these."

In a blunt message to Russian President Vladimir Putin, Lukashenka said Belarus has never been and will never be part of the "Russian world."

Kremlin critics have accused Putin of trying to reimpose hegemony and limit the sovereignty of neighbors under the guise of defense of the "Russian world."

Lukashenka's remarks were the latest in a series of warnings to Russia, which has unsettled neighbors by annexing Crimea and backing rebels in eastern Ukraine.

But he said Moscow is only partly to blame for Ukraine's loss of Crimea, telling Ukrainians, "you didn't fight for it, and that means it's not yours."

Lukashenka suggested Russia has a special responsibility to stop the conflict between pro-Russian separatists and government forces in eastern Ukraine.

He said that his only wish is that "Europe...the United States, Russia -- which is involved in this [Ukraine] crisis to an extreme degree -- and Belarus do their best" to end the fighting.

Lukashenka said there is a possibility that the conflict in Ukraine could "spread into the territories of Russia and Belarus."

He added that Belarus will "never fight with the West to please Russia."

Lukashenka said "there are people who say that historically a country called Belarus never existed. Well it does now, so what?"

He warned that "no matter who comes to fight against Belarus with a sword will be hit by the sword," but added that "God forbids fighting with Russians, which would be a catastrophe of global proportions."

Lukashenka said, "There are enough fools in Russia [who] have started calling me a Qaddafi" -- a reference to Libyan dictator Muammar Qaddafi -- "who say they will impale me or something.... But it is not clear yet who will, in fact, impale whom."

The Belarusian leader said, "If I fail to provide this country with security, I could be hanged. Be it upside-down or on a rope, as you wish."

Lukashenka said his country "does not rule out" leaving the Moscow-led Eurasian Economic Union (EES) if agreements by other member countries are not kept.

According to Lukashenka, "trade wars" within the new trade bloc are unacceptable and he pointed to an ongoing standoff between Moscow and Minsk over agricultural exports.

Lukashenka emphasized that Belarus and fellow EES member Kazakhstan have always pushed to preserve the "purely economic" status of the grouping, implying he opposes attempts by Russia to use it for political purposes.

He added that Belarus and Kazakhstan had rejected the idea of a common visa regime for EES members for that reason.

Belarus and Russia have close military ties and are partners in several groupings including a bilateral "union state."

Mike E wrote:None of you are talking about Viktor Muzhenko? Unless what he said was just **** it is a big deal... The guy, high up there is Kiev, said Russia isn't in Ukraine. This can't be forgotten so easily.

Novo really is embarrassing those Uki's, pretty amazing achievement considering they aren't getting direct support from....

higurashihougi wrote:

Mike E wrote: None of you are talking about Viktor Muzhenko? Unless what he said was just **** it is a big deal... The guy, high up there is Kiev, said Russia isn't in Ukraine. This can't be forgotten so easily.

Novo really is embarrassing those Uki's, pretty amazing achievement considering they aren't getting direct support from....

This event has already been (briefly) mentioned, and it further proves that what Porkie, Yatsenyuk and the others shits are just telling lies and lies.

Look at this, Porkie claimed that Ukraina is very united under his rule and everybody supports him

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhlPvz7hFbs&feature=youtu.be&a

Only the brainwashed people or people who has maximum IQ equal to pig can believe in that f*cking shit.