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    Post  Hisroyalhighness Tue Feb 17, 2015 5:55 pm

    Separatists Claim Control of Crucial Ukrainian Crossroads Town

    The self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic said 300 government troops had surrendered as it took control of four-fifths of the rail and highway junction, which links the breakaway regions Donetsk and Luhansk and where thousands of Ukrainian forces are holed up. Ukraine’s military denied soldiers had surrendered and said heavy fighting was taking place in the town’s outskirts. Its troops were holding their positions and repelling separatist attacks with artillery, spokesman Andriy Lysenko said in Kiev.

    “The army took 80 percent of the town,” Eduard Basurin, an official with the separatist region’s defense ministry, told Interfax. “It’s only the private residential sector that is left and Debaltseve will be under our control.”

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-02-17/ukraine-truce-blighted-by-battle-for-key-town-as-monitors-urged

    Plus the commander of the Ukrainian Kievan Rus battalion said the NAF took 90% of Debaltseve.

    We need a NAF flag emoticon.
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    Post  Big_Gazza Tue Feb 17, 2015 6:35 pm

    Is there any information on the makeup of Ukr forces holed up in Debaltsevo? Regular army, nationalist volunteers, Nazional Guard, Right Sektor filth, private paramilitaries, foreign mercenaries?

    Given all that has gone on with the Junta and its assault on the East, I'm inclined to say "kill 'em all and let doG sort 'em out" but we should give the regular military the option of surrender. The rest? Nope, they deserve to have their craniums ventilated with half a mag of 7.62mm rounds...

    Too violent? Meh, I can live with that....
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    Post  Big_Gazza Tue Feb 17, 2015 6:45 pm

    Hisroyalhighness wrote:http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-02-17/ukraine-truce-blighted-by-battle-for-key-town-as-monitors-urged

    "Data released late Monday laid bare the economic toll of the conflict, which has ravaged the nation’s industrial base. Gross domestic product plunged 15.2 percent from a year earlier, the most in five years."

    ..and you can bet that the statisticians are massaging the data to make it look as rosy as possible under the circumstances. What a friggin mess, and it has McCain & Nudelmans bloody fingerprints all over it...
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    Post  flamming_python Tue Feb 17, 2015 7:02 pm

    Debaltsevo is turning into a real rout for the Ukrs. Illovaisk style.

    The town is nearly captured by the NAF, there are a few other strongpoints remaining in other parts of the cauldron but the main body of troops seems to be scattering in every direction, surrendering in their dozens or making vain attempts at breaking out towards Ukrainian lines.

    There was just a video posted - 72 Ukrainian soldiers surrendered in one go!

    If this carries on all resistance will be swept up within 3 days.

    There is already talk about what sort of repurcusions this might have for the home front and regime stability back in Kiev.
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    Post  sepheronx Tue Feb 17, 2015 7:16 pm

    What do they talk about in local papers here? Rebels ignore the peace agreement..... typical for our idiotic media.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Tue Feb 17, 2015 7:20 pm

    sepheronx wrote:What do they talk about in local papers here? Rebels ignore the peace agreement..... typical for our idiotic media.

    Even the OSCE has stated on numerous occasions that Kiev forces were usually the first to break the numerous ceasefires. The Western media is looking exactly like they did pre-Iraq War time frame.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Tue Feb 17, 2015 7:31 pm

    Ukrainian freedom and democracy in progress:

    Poroshenko signs resolution to suspend accreditation of Russian media in state bodies
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Tue Feb 17, 2015 7:34 pm

    Ukrainian General Staff Confirms Debaltsevo Force Collapse
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Tue Feb 17, 2015 7:39 pm

    Near Mariupol, Novorossiya Armed Forces have re-captured Shirokino from the AZOV Nazis:

    https://vk.com/strelkov_info?w=wall-57424472_47207%2F435f76fd8c13d3d1f9

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    02.17.15. Report on the situation in Shirokino. "Shirokino is under the control of militias, Ukrainian troops fled in disgrace and lost their military honor, lost his battle Nazi flag. Report special correspondent from the area of Mariupol, where fighters DNR liberated the village from the Nazis Shirokino Battalion" Azov. "militia fighters not only cleared the town, but also captured Nazi flag battalion. Voenkory reported that Ukrainian Nazis in the worst traditions of their Nazi masterminds of raping and robbing residents of Mariupol and suburban villages. "




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    ...With such lack of discipline among Kiev forces, Mariupol may fall sooner than we expected, lets cross our fingers that it comes true. BTW The Nazi flag being used as a door mat has to be the best picture for the year 2015 so far!
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Tue Feb 17, 2015 7:50 pm

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    Post  Vann7 Tue Feb 17, 2015 8:14 pm

    A very interesting report.. that could be a sign of what is Really happening in kiev behind the scenes

    There is already running the Rumours that Poroshenko wants to get rid/see wiped, the Voluntary battalions
    that are not loyal to him..  IF this happens to be true.. it should explain why Poroshenko denies there is a cauldron
    in Debaltsevo and why inside there , apparently reports says the volunteers nationals fighting are now in panic saying they have been betrayed by the General command of the army.. and do not answer their calls..

    IF this is correct.. and is confirmed to be true.. then is a major game changing thing.. it means a HUGE irreparable
    split between US_CIA sponsored ultra Nationals and Poroshenko.. and if is true ,that Poroshenko is now commited to  the destruction of all the forces that could overthrow him ..ie.. Right Sector/ultra nationals/volunteers battalion , then definitively it means Poroshenko is moving on the direction of Germany/France/Russia who wants the war to end and away of USA who does not want the conflict to end and instead to continue. It will be a smart move if it is true ,because once all the USA NGOs financed military forces destroyed ,there will be no military force left to sabotage the cease fire peace negotiations.  Possibly if all this is true.. France and Germany could even support the
    destruction of devaltsevo if that is what it takes to have peace. So is a bit rare why there is a cease of fire in most of the frontline but an intese fighting at the same time in the voluntary battalions zones and Europe is not ordering the stop of the fighting in devaltsevo.. is as if devaltsevo doesnt exist.


    Is Poroshenko Sacrificing the Neo-Nazi Battalions?


    I would like to draw you attention to three hot spots which display identical characteristics. In all three cases we see intense fighting. In all three cases the fighting is against “volunteer units.” In all three cases they are suffering heavy casualties. And in all three cases they are being…left to their fate.

    No.1. Debaltsevo. There was a flare-up in Kiev concerning the 25th “Kievan Rus” battalion which, according to soldiers’ relatives, was annihilated at Debaltsevo. Yesterday panic broke out concerning the fate of the 40th “Krivbass” battalion. There are a few other “elite” formations for which it makes no sense to surrender. This includes about one company from the Kulchytsky battalion. Although perhaps they’re already gone. There was heavy fighting, and they are not willing to surrender. They are trying to break out, suffering huge losses in process. Novorossia army have dubbed the road they are using the “road of death.” Moreover, there is fighting in the center of Debaltsevo itself.

    No. 2. Shirokino. I already wrote that just prior to the ceasefire and on the morning of the 15th the Azov regiment lost up to a company of its soldiers at Shirokino. The intensity of the fighting is unchanged. It is characterized by artillery bombardments and attempts at local attacks within the town. Azov officially announced that they have lost control over part of the town (what might that mean?) and are constantly reporting heavy losses (they claim 20-40 fighters, but one has to keep in mind that there are many unofficial fighters in the Azov, mainly foreigners. Perhaps they are not being reported, so as not to blow their cover).

    A company from the Donbass battalion that had already suffered heavy losses was thrown there. Three KIA and 9 WIA. Semenchenko already said that they were “betrayed”, although Azov writes on its page that they simply got lost. Perhaps they were not issued compasses. One is left with an impression that somebody is trying to kill off as many of the members of the “pure race”, together with Semenchenko’s kamikaze. Moreover, everyone is interested in that happening. Russia, DPR/LPR, Europe, and…Kiev. It means there are reasons for the fighting. I should note that OSCE and official Kiev are trying to avoid paying attention to Shirokino, mentioning only Debaltsevo, as if that was the only threat to the ceasefire.

    Incidentally, why is UAF artillery silent at Shirokino? Obviously treason.

    No. 3 Stanitsa-Luganskaya, Schastye. There is shelling there. But otherwise no reports. Until today’s report:

    Today the Kulchytsky battalion and the Aidar battalion captured two villages, Bolotnoye and Sizyye, crossed Severskiy Donets river, and came up to the border with Russia. The breakthrough was launched from Stanitsa Luganskaya.

    However, Bolotnoye is a trap. It can be closed from the Russian side and from the Stanitsa Luganskaya side. It’s not clear how the “elite volunteers” were lured into this trap, but one can assume it will soon get very hot for them there.

    The Kiev media are claiming another “victory,” though they are more likely to get another cauldron. But look at the composition of the cauldron. Once again it seems that Kiev has nothing against getting rid of such supporters, as all the subunits mentioned are in opposition to official Kiev policies.

    In conclusion, one has to wonder whether these particular battles are being conducted on purpose. They have so much in common. Including the interested parties.

    P.S. I have one more thought (don’t reject it out of hand). Perhaps someone has decided to decimate Kolomoysky’s army ahead of the Maidan anniversary, so as to eliminate it from the game? One might say by mutual agreement. And with tacit approval of Europe.


    http://fortruss.blogspot.ca/2015/02/is-poroshenko-sacrificing-neo-nazi.html

    Now combine that with Kiev media , which is controlled by USA and Jews.. raising the alarm about what happens
    in Devaltsevo.. So we might be witnessing an internal war already in process between Poroshenko and Ultra Nationals. And that Poroshenko Public relations words in public ,praising Ultra Nationals ,the galicians and hiring Georgian thugs in government is just only to fool the so called neonazis forces in power in kiev ,so that Poroshenko is not seen as selling to Putin . which will be dangerous for his future ,while to many Ultra nationals leaders are in power. it will not be unthinkable to believe that a major undercover war could be happening for the total power and control in kiev.. between Poroshenko and the other leadership.. between US and Europe/Russia. The things to pay attention to know more clearly beyond doubt is Right Sector leader or other hardcore Rusophobic leaders ,if they are killed in "mysterious ways" or not in the next days or weeks. Also it could be revealing what France and Germany claim in the next day.. if they remain optimistic or if tensions rise and they condemn Russia for breaking the cease
    of fire. Whatever happens im not sure..you cannot underestimate idiocy.. like Georgian former President Saakashvili .. who was fooled into starting a war with Russia.. and he really believed the moron that Russia was not going to fight or invade because there was NATO warships in Georgia coast and american trainers in Georgia and they were being armed by NATO. If Poroshenko does not destroy the Ultra nationals ,he will end like Yakunovych ,
    betrayed and fleeing for his life.
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    Post  Hisroyalhighness Tue Feb 17, 2015 8:41 pm

    http://112.ua/glavnye-novosti/zh-d-uzel-v-debalcevo-vyveden-iz-stroya-i-utratil-svoe-znachenie-minoborony-191774.html

    Kiev has officially lost the battle (they also declared Donetsk Airport non-strategic when it was clear they couldn't hold on).
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Tue Feb 17, 2015 9:00 pm

    Pro-Kiev Commander: 'We Will Burn Down Crimea, With All Its Residents'
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    Post  Kyo Tue Feb 17, 2015 9:01 pm

    Evacuation of civilians from Debaltsevo postponed till February 18 — Donetsk News Agency

    The vehicles were unable to get through as hostilities near the city were continuing, the agency reports

    MOSCOW, February 17. /TASS/. The evacuation of civilians from Debaltsevo has been postponed till February 18 due to hostilities, the spokeswoman of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic’s Transport Ministry, Ella Zhuranskaya, has said.
    "The busses dispatched to Debaltsevo for evacuating local civilians have been unable to reach the expected destination. We had anticipated they would pick up those eager to leave in the middle of the day. The vehicles were unable to get through as hostilities near the city were continuing," the Donetsk News Agency quotes Zhuranskaya as saying.
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    Post  Hisroyalhighness Tue Feb 17, 2015 9:15 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:Pro-Kiev Commander: 'We Will Burn Down Crimea, With All Its Residents'
    I'm sure SSO will be more than happy to curb-stomp this goon and any of his dimwitted followers if they try anything.

    Also let me guess, Western Media isn't reporting this proclamation.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Tue Feb 17, 2015 9:22 pm

    Hisroyalhighness wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:Pro-Kiev Commander: 'We Will Burn Down Crimea, With All Its Residents'
    I'm sure SSO will be more than happy to curb-stomp this goon and any of his dimwitted followers if they try anything.

    Also let me guess, Western Media isn't reporting this proclamation.

    Looks like it wasn't just words, something was actually planned:

    Russian Federal Security Service seizes caches with weapons for mass riots in Crimea

    ...Thankfully FSB thwarted a Kiev backed Right Sector attack.
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    Post  Hisroyalhighness Tue Feb 17, 2015 9:38 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:

    Looks like it wasn't just words, something was actually planned:

    Russian Federal Security Service seizes caches with weapons for mass riots in Crimea

    ...Thankfully FSB thwarted a Kiev backed Right Sector attack.
    Is this reason enough to designate RS as a terrorist organization by Russia or does there need to be more attempted incidents like this?
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    Post  Vann7 Tue Feb 17, 2015 10:02 pm

    DPR Defense Minister -- 80% of Debaltesvo are controlled by the NAF



    and Zakharchenko the donetsk minister was lighty wounded in Debaltesvo

    DPR PM Zakharchenko hospital interview after injury in Debaltesvo



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    Post  par far Tue Feb 17, 2015 11:18 pm

    Vann7 wrote:DPR Defense Minister -- 80% of Debaltesvo are controlled by the NAF



    and Zakharchenko the donetsk minister was lighty wounded in Debaltesvo

    DPR PM Zakharchenko hospital interview after injury in Debaltesvo





    Guy is a true warrior, he should probably stay away from the front lines.
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    Post  Vann7 Wed Feb 18, 2015 12:38 am

    Important update of debaltsevo.. apparrently ukies are trying to rescue it from the outside moving artillery, but that their luck is sealed already.. reports of Nuland in hysteria against Germany ,France backing Russia peaceful negotiations.. and name calling Merkel ,and Moscow like you never saw her before. Using street language ,will be shocking if what she told is true.. Shocked  and she demanding arming ukraine.

    Rumours also about Poroshenko family already evacuated to germany..  very interesting indeed if confirmed. Wink



    Yet another monumental failure for the junta  

    All my sources confirm that Debaltsevo is mostly in Novorussian hands and that the junta forces are in full retreat to the south of the pocket.  All the top Novorussian brass was on hand today, including Kononov, Motorola, Givi, Mozgovoi and Zakharchenko as were many tens of Ukrainian prisoners.  It appears that the junta forces were unable to provide the kind of resistance they showed in Peski, and that make sense because in Peski they were not surrounded and they had the fire support of Ukrainian forces just north and west of them.  This time the cauldron is too deep and the "lid" too strong.  See for yourself.

    You can see that the cauldron "lid" has now closed on Debaltsevo from the north and that the junta forces are either surrendering of fleeing south where there is quite literally nothing for them to do then to wait until they run out of food and ammo.  Bottom line: it's over for the Ukie forces in the Debaltsevo cauldron.


    By saker.. full report..
    http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.se/2015/02/yet-another-monumental-failure-for-junta.html

    and here about Nuland demanding arming kiev for the war to continue and in rage and hysteria name calling merkel and Russia. (ie.. zero diplomacy language.)  If true it will show how desperate they feel now and the total collapse
    of her Euromaidan Revolution indeed if the peace agreement move forward.

    http://www.larouchepub.com/pr/2015/150216_nuland_problem.html

    Now Russia/Eastern Ukraine will be able to use their stronger position in the war ,their "Special Status" as a negotiating card to kiev .It means that kiev no longer will be able to join NATO and or their military bases to be sent to Ukraine in a meaningful way.. Because the new deal with eastern ukraine involve a decentralization of power in kiev.. and Donetsk and Lugansk could split later again and forever.. if they feel Kiev is not following the agreement.
    And threatening not only them but also Russia . So Kiev will lose eastern ukraine forever if they for example try
    to setup NATO military bases in Kharkiv. So definitively eastern ukraine will be a negotiating card for Russia to force
    kiev stop its destructive policy against them and Russia.
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    Post  Firebird Wed Feb 18, 2015 12:46 am

    Out of all the scum in the conflict, the 4 I'd love to see dead most are Farion, NUland, McCain and Yarosh.

    To see Nuland's head splashed all over a pavement would give me particular pleasure.
    Sadly while these scum are still alive, they can reattempt this shit.
    This is why the Neo Cons keep doing their shit. They think there is no come back.

    Interesting to note that we were discussing a Russian hit on a big bank as revenge for US atrocities.
    Now it seems they've been hit for 1bn in a low key event ie many small withdrawals.

    I wonder how this all might continue..
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    Post  Hisroyalhighness Wed Feb 18, 2015 1:32 am

    #DEBALTSEVO Cauldron - #NAF reports that #Ukraine has abandoned 14 settlements in cauldron over the past 24 hrs, with #NAF taking control. wrote:
    https://twitter.com/gbazov/status/567792633252225025
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    Post  sepheronx Wed Feb 18, 2015 4:06 am

    Firebird wrote:Out of all the scum in the conflict, the 4 I'd love to see dead most are Farion, NUland, McCain and Yarosh.

    To see Nuland's  head splashed all over a pavement would give me particular pleasure.
    Sadly while these scum are still alive, they can reattempt this shit.
    This is why the Neo Cons keep doing their shit. They think there is no come back.

    Interesting to note that we were discussing a Russian hit on a big bank as revenge for US atrocities.
    Now it seems they've been hit for 1bn in a low key event ie many small withdrawals.

    I wonder how this all might continue..

    Who has been hit? Please be more specific.
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    Post  Regular Wed Feb 18, 2015 4:32 am

    Look at some separatists and their gear. They look way more trained than Ukrainian army.

    Interesting video. Look at Ukrainian POWs at 5 minute, they are almost happy to be captured. It looks more like evacuation Very Happy They are not even led, but they run themselves.
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    Vacationers or PMC? Smile If USA will send lethal aid to Ukraine we will see more of these guys. The way this operation picked up speed is crazy.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Wed Feb 18, 2015 6:15 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:Near Mariupol, Novorossiya Armed Forces have re-captured Shirokino from the AZOV Nazis:

    https://vk.com/strelkov_info?w=wall-57424472_47207%2F435f76fd8c13d3d1f9

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    02.17.15. Report on the situation in Shirokino. "Shirokino is under the control of militias, Ukrainian troops fled in disgrace and lost their military honor, lost his battle Nazi flag. Report special correspondent from the area of Mariupol, where fighters DNR liberated the village from the Nazis Shirokino Battalion" Azov. "militia fighters not only cleared the town, but also captured Nazi flag battalion. Voenkory reported that Ukrainian Nazis in the worst traditions of their Nazi masterminds of raping and robbing residents of Mariupol and suburban villages. "




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    ...With such lack of discipline among Kiev forces, Mariupol may fall sooner than we expected, lets cross our fingers that it comes true. BTW The Nazi flag being used as a door mat has to be the best picture for the year 2015 so far!

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