The Situation in the Ukraine. #11

So with the US sending 500 - 800 airborne units to "train" PUke troops, what do you think will happen next?

The US is breaking the ceasefire agreement and ambassader to NATO from Russia did warn that they would go deal with Ukraine if there is threat from NATO, does this mean Russia will actually do something useful or eat their own words?

Russia will do nothing. Nothing in the open.

Regular wrote:Russia will do nothing. Nothing in the open.

I hope they do something, cause this would mean that whatever Russia says, wont be backed up and they will be pushed around even more, or worst, invaded because they (nato) will call their bluff.

This can be real dangerous for Russia and Putin. If he sits idly by, eventually the nationalists and patriots may see him as weak. Which is somewhat the case. In my mind, Russia should provide openly equipment to Novorussians and training as well to combat the western forces. So how come in 2008, they invade and destroy Georgia but now not doing a thing in Ukraine? Sad really.

Anyway, hopefully they have other plans, cause anyone could see this a mile away. So hopefully they will now seek Novorussias independence from Ukraine, and build them up.

My last post was semi hysterical. 500 - 800 troops (1 batallion) isnt a lot to make a choice.

Anyway, can anyone tell me the size of the population of the novorussian territory in its current form?

Look at these animals. There's people who actually believe 'chimpanzees' can actually run a stable govt?




...btw inflation for the Hryvnia is over 270%!

sepheronx wrote:So with the US sending 500 - 800 airborne units to "train" PUke troops, what do you think will happen next?

The US is breaking the ceasefire agreement and ambassader to NATO from Russia did warn that they would go deal with Ukraine if there is threat from NATO, does this mean Russia will actually do something useful or eat their own words?

Do you remember when the last time, about a year ago, "US" sent ~300 military personal to Ukraine what happened?

sepheronx wrote:
I hope they do something, cause this would mean that whatever Russia says, wont be backed up and they will be pushed around even more, or worst, invaded because they (nato) will call their bluff

Russia already got caught by Ukrainian ATO. Puyin promised to protect people in separatist areas. 1st speach after Crimea. Look it up.
And good luck invading Russia. If whole NATO and ISAF couldn't handle Taliban for so many years.. NATO war against Russia would be won by... Chinese...

This can be real dangerous for Russia and Putin. If he sits idly by, eventually the nationalists and patriots may see him as weak. Which is somewhat the case. In my mind, Russia should provide openly equipment to Novorussians and training as well to combat the western forces.

Better to do it in open secret. Let west loose face with their open involvement.

So how come in 2008, they invade and destroy Georgia but now not doing a thing in Ukraine? Sad really.

Russia didn't destroy Georgia. It routed their army back to Tbilisi. Same could be done at the beggining of ATO. Only with airforce.

hopefully they have other plans, cause anyone could see this a mile away. So hopefully they will now seek Novorussias independence from Ukraine, and build them up.

Was Transnistria, South Ossetia, Abkhazia built up? Or it's still Kosovo like shitholes?
I have a feeling eastern and western Ukraine will be equally stinking. One destroyed by war another by IMF.

Abhkazia is apparently doing well. South ossetia is different case. The thing is, it may have been the ambassader to NATO who made the comment about dealing against NATO, but if they want to be taken seriously, put up or shut up. I suppose Russia will up the supplies of goods to Novorussia when US troops arrive for training. More weapons and possibly training of their own. Ukraine is economically destroyed so regardless, it is a lose lose situation.

I dont believe in leaving these people out to dry. Russia could have solved this issue long ago by bombing the PUkes, and end up in same position economically and pollitically now as before, but with a proper ceasefire. So this pisses me off and the ones responsible for saying they would protect the eastern Ukrainians should be let go, even Putin.

That said, my question still stands: what is the total population of novorussia in its current form?

Edit: if Russia wants decent allies capable of protecting themselves mixed with reducing discontent internally, they need to build them up. Provide Russian industry so people work, and continue to buy their products.

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:

sepheronx wrote:So with the US sending 500 - 800 airborne units to "train" PUke troops, what do you think will happen next?

The US is breaking the ceasefire agreement and ambassader to NATO from Russia did warn that they would go deal with Ukraine if there is threat from NATO, does this mean Russia will actually do something useful or eat their own words?

Do you remember when the last time, about a year ago, "US" sent ~300 military personal to Ukraine what happened?

This is 1 batallion (500-800) soldiers, and they are planning to stay till summer.

sepheronx wrote:My last post was semi hysterical. 500 - 800 troops (1 batallion) isnt a lot to make a choice.

Anyway, can anyone tell me the size of the population of the novorussian territory in its current form?

I've read about 4 to 5 million. I could be wrong but that's how I remember it.

sepheronx wrote:

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:

sepheronx wrote:So with the US sending 500 - 800 airborne units to "train" PUke troops, what do you think will happen next?

The US is breaking the ceasefire agreement and ambassader to NATO from Russia did warn that they would go deal with Ukraine if there is threat from NATO, does this mean Russia will actually do something useful or eat their own words?

Do you remember when the last time, about a year ago, "US" sent ~300 military personal to Ukraine what happened?

This is 1 batallion (500-800) soldiers, and they are planning to stay till summer.

Well, those 300 were planning to participate in the fighting, but the outcome had nothing to do with their plans and everything to do with what Russia decided to do. Similarly in Georgia.

Ukraine ‘modernization agency’ to seek revival of war-torn economy

http://rt.com/news/237453-ukraine-economy-forum-vienna/

What do you guys think?

They are planning to get 300 billion... somehow. What are the prospects of (anti-Russian) Ukraine anyway? They are not going to become a member of EU anytime soon (or, more likely, never) and their economy has been totally dependent on Russia. They were like the poorest country in Europe to begin with and now the economy has totally collapsed. What a horrible mess. Atleast things can't get much worse... or can they?

Kimppis wrote:Ukraine ‘modernization agency’ to seek revival of war-torn economy

http://rt.com/news/237453-ukraine-economy-forum-vienna/

What do you guys think?

They are planning to get 300 billion... somehow. What are the prospects of (anti-Russian) Ukraine anyway? They are not going to become a member of EU anytime soon (or, more likely, never) and their economy has been totally dependent on Russia. They were like the poorest country in Europe to begin with and now the economy has totally collapsed. What a horrible mess. Atleast things can't get much worse... or can they?

Ukraine is doomed. It will be worse than before. If the oligarch didn't already own everything, they'll own everything including man, woman and child. As I see it, without russia's help it will become a black hole of misery. Thing is, russia probably will help but not for "free". I bet they'll ask for reassurance of the EU to stay away from any such adventures in the future and neutralize their masters (the US) influence in foreign policy. That's how I think things should play out for ukraine (or The ukraine?) to have a shot at normalcy. In my not so expert opinion I think the ukraine should be broken up, de-loused (all nazis dead) and reprogrammed...which means piles and piles of more dead people, which I don't like to see either. This whole civil war was harrowing to say the least and I can't wait for it to stop. (and I'm not even a slav...or a rus) In short, the ukraine is the ball in the play between world powers and will be for a very long time, sadly, because russia won't loose and the west won't stop.

"12 000 russian army troops in support of separatists" - white house.




so the US finally went full mental retards... no shame anymore. Well... anything will be tried now anyway, there are no limits anymore.

This kind of dog crap usually came from Ukr "authorities", left untouched by "serious" US / EU representatives... Only balts and PL reported these kind of jokes... now, USA too.

cracker wrote:"12 000 russian army troops in support of separatists" - white house.




so the US finally went full mental retards... no shame anymore. Well... anything will be tried now anyway, there are no limits anymore.

This kind of dog crap usually came from Ukr "authorities", left untouched by "serious" US / EU representatives... Only balts and PL reported these kind of jokes... now, USA too.

Not really, as they been claiming a lot of BS for a while. Trying to pass off grainy sat photos of Tractors as tanks and photos of Georgian conflict as Ukraine.

If there were 12,000 Russian troops in Ukraine, I think this war would be over, due to Ukraine horrid military performance.

gregoire wrote:

Kimppis wrote:Ukraine ‘modernization agency’ to seek revival of war-torn economy

http://rt.com/news/237453-ukraine-economy-forum-vienna/

What do you guys think?

They are planning to get 300 billion... somehow. What are the prospects of (anti-Russian) Ukraine anyway? They are not going to become a member of EU anytime soon (or, more likely, never) and their economy has been totally dependent on Russia. They were like the poorest country in Europe to begin with and now the economy has totally collapsed. What a horrible mess. Atleast things can't get much worse... or can they?

Ukraine is doomed. It will be worse than before. If the oligarch didn't already own everything, they'll own everything including man, woman and child. As I see it, without russia's help it will become a black hole of misery. Thing is, russia probably will help but not for "free". I bet they'll ask for reassurance of the EU to stay away from any such adventures in the future and neutralize their masters (the US) influence in foreign policy. That's how I think things should play out for ukraine (or The ukraine?) to have a shot at normalcy. In my not so expert opinion I think the ukraine should be broken up, de-loused (all nazis dead) and reprogrammed...which means piles and piles of more dead people, which I don't like to see either. This whole civil war was harrowing to say the least and I can't wait for it to stop. (and I'm not even a slav...or a rus) In short, the ukraine is the ball in the play between world powers and will be for a very long time, sadly, because russia won't loose and the west won't stop.

Ukraine wont be able to pull it off simply due to lack of skilled workers, and lack of a proper judical system, and heavy corruption. Look at Poroshenko's promise to end his business when he was to become president, yet he still owns it.

There has been many promises and as much as I believe there will be some gains, nothing that substantial will happen. Especially when majority of industries and resources that can pull this off are found in Eastern Ukraine, and how Eastern Ukrainians are now wanting to separate, it isnt looking good for them.

Kimppis wrote:Ukraine ‘modernization agency’ to seek revival of war-torn economy

http://rt.com/news/237453-ukraine-economy-forum-vienna/

What do you guys think?

They are planning to get 300 billion... somehow. What are the prospects of (anti-Russian) Ukraine anyway? They are not going to become a member of EU anytime soon (or, more likely, never) and their economy has been totally dependent on Russia. They were like the poorest country in Europe to begin with and now the economy has totally collapsed. What a horrible mess. Atleast things can't get much worse... or can they?

hahahahhahahaaaaa even Tsipras is not so fucking retard! There is no limit in how bad things can turn out!

sepheronx wrote:

gregoire wrote:

Kimppis wrote:Ukraine ‘modernization agency’ to seek revival of war-torn economy

http://rt.com/news/237453-ukraine-economy-forum-vienna/

What do you guys think?

They are planning to get 300 billion... somehow. What are the prospects of (anti-Russian) Ukraine anyway? They are not going to become a member of EU anytime soon (or, more likely, never) and their economy has been totally dependent on Russia. They were like the poorest country in Europe to begin with and now the economy has totally collapsed. What a horrible mess. Atleast things can't get much worse... or can they?

Ukraine is doomed. It will be worse than before. If the oligarch didn't already own everything, they'll own everything including man, woman and child. As I see it, without russia's help it will become a black hole of misery. Thing is, russia probably will help but not for "free". I bet they'll ask for reassurance of the EU to stay away from any such adventures in the future and neutralize their masters (the US) influence in foreign policy. That's how I think things should play out for ukraine (or The ukraine?) to have a shot at normalcy. In my not so expert opinion I think the ukraine should be broken up, de-loused (all nazis dead) and reprogrammed...which means piles and piles of more dead people, which I don't like to see either. This whole civil war was harrowing to say the least and I can't wait for it to stop. (and I'm not even a slav...or a rus) In short, the ukraine is the ball in the play between world powers and will be for a very long time, sadly, because russia won't loose and the west won't stop.

Ukraine wont be able to pull it off simply due to lack of skilled workers, and lack of a proper judical system, and heavy corruption. Look at Poroshenko's promise to end his business when he was to become president, yet he still owns it.

There has been many promises and as much as I believe there will be some gains, nothing that substantial will happen. Especially when majority of industries and resources that can pull this off are found in Eastern Ukraine, and how Eastern Ukrainians are now wanting to separate, it isnt looking good for them.

I agree. It doesn't look good to put it mildly.

cracker wrote:"12 000 russian army troops in support of separatists" - white house.




so the US finally went full mental retards... no shame anymore. Well... anything will be tried now anyway, there are no limits anymore.

This kind of dog crap usually came from Ukr "authorities", left untouched by "serious" US / EU representatives... Only balts and PL reported these kind of jokes... now, USA too.

This is US 1984 style newspeak for 12,000 volunteers.   I can see there being this many since there were 5,000 last summer.

I don't see the US and NATO bitching about volunteers fighting in Syria or previously in Libya.

Also, I don't recall NATO bitching at the KLA (or UCK) in Kosovo for having thousands of volunteers from Albania.

sepheronx wrote:Abhkazia is apparently doing well. South ossetia is different case. The thing is, it may have been the ambassader to NATO who made the comment about dealing against NATO, but if they want to be taken seriously, put up or shut up. I suppose Russia will up the supplies of goods to Novorussia when US troops arrive for training. More weapons and possibly training of their own. Ukraine is economically destroyed so regardless, it is a lose lose situation.

I dont believe in leaving these people out to dry. Russia could have solved this issue long ago by bombing the PUkes, and end up in same position economically and pollitically now as before, but with a proper ceasefire. So this pisses me off and the ones responsible for saying they would protect the eastern Ukrainians should be let go, even Putin.

That said, my question still stands: what is the total population of novorussia in its current form?

Edit: if Russia wants decent allies capable of protecting themselves mixed with reducing discontent internally, they need to build them up. Provide Russian industry so people work, and continue to buy their products.

What Russia can do is that they can give all of the business they did with Western Ukraine to Abhkazia and South Ossetia and later to Eastern Ukraine(if that is what it is called).

well it even looks like Janes Defence are giving some praise to Russia. Russian seem to be doing a good job (and they are) in Ukraine


http://www.janes.com/article/49469/update-russia-s-hybrid-war-in-ukraine-is-working?utm_campaign=%5bPMP%5d_PC5308_J360%204.3.15_KV_Deployment&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Eloqua&elqaid=11848&elqat=1&elqTrackId=4493fdb8d087439c84f080b445bc9df1

d_taddei2 wrote:well it even looks like Janes Defence are giving some praise to Russia. Russian seem to be doing a good job (and they are) in Ukraine


http://www.janes.com/article/49469/update-russia-s-hybrid-war-in-ukraine-is-working?utm_campaign=%5bPMP%5d_PC5308_J360%204.3.15_KV_Deployment&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Eloqua&elqaid=11848&elqat=1&elqTrackId=4493fdb8d087439c84f080b445bc9df1

Janes is growing more disappointing by the minute. Instead of just focusing on military technology, do they really need get involved in to politics?

Thinkin' (dreaming) what if that US batallion gets captured. Maybe exchanging it for equipment or some territorial gains would be a good option? That would require more determined RU stance - much more balls and determination.