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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #11

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    Post  sepheronx Wed Mar 04, 2015 8:26 pm

    kvs wrote:
    cracker wrote:"12 000 russian army troops in support of separatists" - white house.


    thumbsup

    so the US finally went full mental retards... no shame anymore. Well... anything will be tried now anyway, there are no limits anymore.

    This kind of dog crap usually came from Ukr "authorities", left untouched by "serious" US / EU representatives... Only balts and PL reported these kind of jokes... now, USA too.

    This is US 1984 style newspeak for 12,000 volunteers.   I can see there being this many since there were 5,000 last summer.

    I don't see the US and NATO bitching about volunteers fighting in Syria or previously in Libya.

    Also, I don't recall NATO bitching at the KLA (or UCK) in Kosovo for having thousands of volunteers from Albania.

    They are also keeping quiet about the various other volunteers from France, Greece, Poland, Spain, Brazil, etc that are fighting against Ukraine Junta.
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    Post  sepheronx Wed Mar 04, 2015 8:31 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    d_taddei2 wrote:well it even looks like Janes Defence are giving some praise to Russia. Russian seem to be doing a good job (and they are) in Ukraine


    http://www.janes.com/article/49469/update-russia-s-hybrid-war-in-ukraine-is-working?utm_campaign=%5bPMP%5d_PC5308_J360%204.3.15_KV_Deployment&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Eloqua&elqaid=11848&elqat=1&elqTrackId=4493fdb8d087439c84f080b445bc9df1

    Janes is growing more disappointing by the minute. Instead of just focusing on military technology, do they really need get involved in to politics?

    Russian troops? Are these people all delusional or just this dumb? Or they take all of us for fools? Modern military equipment? Besides a few artillery units and the supposed picture of Pantsir, none of the other equipment is modern. This is just their piss poor excuse for losing horrendously. Guaranteed much more malitia since eastern Ukraine is home to 7M people and plus add in various foreigners who did join.

    What a sad article.
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    Post  Zivo Wed Mar 04, 2015 8:42 pm

    "Russian EW, communications and other units central to their military operations are typically placed adjacent to kindergartens, hospitals or apartment buildings so that Ukrainian units are unable to launch any strikes against them without causing unacceptable and horrific collateral casualties."

    Yeah, I'm going to need to see proof of that claim. Clear satellite images will be adequate...... *crickets*
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    Post  sepheronx Wed Mar 04, 2015 9:17 pm

    Zivo wrote:"Russian EW, communications and other units central to their military operations are typically placed adjacent to kindergartens, hospitals or apartment buildings so that Ukrainian units are unable to launch any strikes against them without causing unacceptable and horrific collateral casualties."

    Yeah, I'm going to need to see proof of that claim. Clear satellite images will be adequate...... *crickets*

    Yeah, since one can find photos of Ukrainian military striked hospitals and schools. So it already can be proven wrong the article. That is now some of the worst journalism.
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    Post  Kyo Wed Mar 04, 2015 9:17 pm

    Implementation of Minsk Agreements a condition for IMF credits--Lagarde

    3/4/2015

    Largarde: IMF credits to Kiev depend on implementing of the Minsk Agreement.

    Translated from Russian by J.Hawk

    The IMF Executive Director Christine Lagarde made this statement during an interview on the MSNBC TV channel. According to Lagarde, financial aid to Kiev will depend on the stability of situation in Eastern Ukraine.

    Lagarde also said that Ukraine is right now in a serious economic crisis which is affecting both the country’s economy and budget, to the point of putting it on the edge of default.

    “The government is trying to improve the situation through external borrowing. The IMF opened a two-year credit line for Ukraine with up to $17.5 billion available. The overall financing of Ukraine by IMF and other sources may reach $40 billion,” underscored Lagarde.

    The IMF Board of Directors is expected to approve the new Ukraine aid packet on March 11.

    Lagarde also said that the crisis in Eastern Ukraine is seriously delaying economic reforms.

    “European politicians are in agreement that the only way to resolve the crisis in Ukraine is through the Minsk Agreement. The meeting of Russian, Ukrainian, French, and German leaders in Minsk on February 12 resulted in a set of measures which include a ceasefire starting on February 15, followed by a withdrawal of heavy weapons and the establishment of a security zone.”

    J.Hawk's Comment: Lagarde is no doubt honest about her desire to avoid further fighting. After all, if Kiev defaults, it's IMF's money on the line, after all. It's another question what Kiev's priorities are. It seems unlikely that there will be any fighting prior to the next IMF tranche. However, after March 11 all bets are off. Zakharchenko did warn of a likelihood of escalation in February-April time-frame, and it may well be that the current calm is simply motivated by the need to get the money from the IMF, then resume fighting. Western leaders are already making statements to the effect that any violation of Minsk Agreements would result in new sanctions against Russia. Are these statements motivated by the obvious weakness of Kiev's military forces and by concern that Novorossia might want to exploit that weakness, or diplomatic and ideological preparation for the next Kiev provocation?
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    Post  Hisroyalhighness Wed Mar 04, 2015 9:29 pm

    Zivo wrote:"Russian EW, communications and other units central to their military operations are typically placed adjacent to kindergartens, hospitals or apartment buildings so that Ukrainian units are unable to launch any strikes against them without causing unacceptable and horrific collateral casualties."

    Yeah, I'm going to need to see proof of that claim. Clear satellite images will be adequate...... *crickets*
    Good idea and where are the clear satellite pictures of massive Russian armor crossing the border the White House keeps mentioning? Are they going to be released some time this century?
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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt Wed Mar 04, 2015 9:41 pm

    Lothar von Trotha wrote:Thinkin' (dreaming) what if that US batallion gets captured. Maybe exchanging it for equipment or some territorial gains would be a good option? That would require more determined RU stance - much more balls and determination.

    If you read some of the previous posts, you will learn what happened on similar situations in the past.
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    Post  AlfaT8 Wed Mar 04, 2015 10:08 pm

    Hisroyalhighness wrote:Good idea and where are the clear satellite pictures of massive Russian armor crossing the border the White House keeps mentioning? Are they going to be released some time this century?

    Forget the satellite footage, I am still waiting for the Black Box records from MH17, supposedly coming out this august. Rolling Eyes
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    Post  Werewolf Thu Mar 05, 2015 4:12 am

    Zivo wrote:"Russian EW, communications and other units central to their military operations are typically placed adjacent to kindergartens, hospitals or apartment buildings so that Ukrainian units are unable to launch any strikes against them without causing unacceptable and horrific collateral casualties."

    Yeah, I'm going to need to see proof of that claim. Clear satellite images will be adequate...... *crickets*

    Same bullshit stories as Israel constantly uses, next time they will declare Russian troops are in hospitals and kingergardens taking sick people and little children as human shields...
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    Post  Vann7 Thu Mar 05, 2015 6:29 am

    Just when you though, you have seen it all.. a real american freedom fighter mini interview..
    fighting on the side of Donetsk and Lugansk.. from Texas.. Smile



    Ukraine: 'I came to help the people of Donbass' - US DNR volunteer


    The black skin men next to him is colombian who also came to help.. and told his could no
    longer be an spectator ..that he is anti-fascism.. and will fight fascism wherever in the world
    shows up.

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    Post  higurashihougi Thu Mar 05, 2015 7:41 am

    Yeah yeah yeah, your chronic disease of verbal diarrhea is also because of Putin, right McCain ?

    http://russia-insider.com/en/2015/03/03/4058

    I always wonder why our Vietnamese ancestors didn't kill you when your plane was shot down in 1967. Why did they let you live so that you continue to blabbering bullshit nowadays.

    Look at this, this is a face of a rabies patient at terminal period.

    http://russia-insider.com/sites/insider/files/styles/s400/public/mcCain_1015360c_0.jpg?itok=IAlwtfz3
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Thu Mar 05, 2015 2:39 pm

    Ukraine: 'No land to oligarchs. All land to the people, 'demand farmers outside the Rada

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    Post  gregoire Thu Mar 05, 2015 4:31 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:Ukraine: 'No land to oligarchs. All land to the people, 'demand farmers outside the Rada

    A bit late. But it got on youtube so..
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    Post  par far Thu Mar 05, 2015 10:18 pm

    US is gearing to arms the Ukrainian fascist regime with lethal arms and a offensive may come in mid summer(according to the expert).

    http://rt.com/op-edge/238029-us-lethal-aid-supply-ukraine/
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    Post  flamming_python Thu Mar 05, 2015 10:34 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:Ukraine: 'No land to oligarchs. All land to the people, 'demand farmers outside the Rada

    lol

    yeah good luck with that @ Ukrainian farmers

    This entire country and everything in it (including the people themselves), are all about to be sold off to every Tom, Dick and Harry that cares to bid.
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    Post  higurashihougi Fri Mar 06, 2015 3:09 am

    par far wrote:US is gearing to arms the Ukrainian fascist regime with lethal arms and a offensive may come in mid summer(according to the expert).

    http://rt.com/op-edge/238029-us-lethal-aid-supply-ukraine/

    Then Putin can have enough legitimate reasons to send similar lethal weapons to Novo, too.

    I sincerely want to apologize my American friends but US weapons is inferior to Russian weapons in most of the aspects, and inferior to Russian weapons in all the critical aspects.

    Examples: M16 vs AK-xx, or Abrams vs T-90, or F-22 vs T-50.
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    Post  Brovich Fri Mar 06, 2015 5:26 am

    DAMN RUSSIAN TERRORISTS REPAIRED THE RAILROAD!
    http://podrobnosti.ua/2020063-terroristy-vosstanovili-zheleznuju-dorogu-v-debaltsevo.html
    Google translate from Ukrainian site:


    The enemy was able to restore the railway junction in Debaltseve. About this Speaker said ATO Andrei Lysenko. Earlier it was reported that it had been turned "into the surface of the Moon" and completely destroyed.  

    "Debaltsevsky railway junction newly restored. Third March at the station was locked unloading ammunition from the trains," - said Speaker of the ATO.

    It is worth noting that on February 19, Andrei Lysenko said that the railway completely destroyed. "The strategic railway junction Debaltseve ceased to exist as having significance for the local region. The whole railway hub turned into the moon's surface: everything is destroyed," - said Speaker of the ATO.

    Thus the restoration of an important strategic site that was completely destroyed, it took only 12 days.

    As reported podrobnosti.ua, overstayed prosecutors investigating the tragedy at Ilovaiskaya.
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    Post  higurashihougi Fri Mar 06, 2015 6:49 am

    Our dear Cashparob and Suckashivili, again

    http://uatoday.tv/geopolitics/conflict-in-ukraine-on-the-agenda-in-washington-as-lawmakers-urged-to-send-arms-to-kyiv-413416.html
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    Post  higurashihougi Fri Mar 06, 2015 11:13 am

    Oh shit, "large number" Laughing Laughing Laughing

    http://www.lsm.lv/en/article/politics/large-number-of-russian-troops-dying-in-ukraine-says-vershbow.a120436/

    Alexander Vershbow, the second most senior figure in NATO as its deputy secretary general, took the opportunity of a conference in Riga Thursday to claim that large numbers of Russian soldiers are dying in fighting in Eastern Ukraine.
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    Post  Hisroyalhighness Fri Mar 06, 2015 4:29 pm

    higurashihougi wrote:Oh shit, "large number" Laughing Laughing Laughing

    http://www.lsm.lv/en/article/politics/large-number-of-russian-troops-dying-in-ukraine-says-vershbow.a120436/

    Alexander Vershbow, the second most senior figure in NATO as its deputy secretary general, took the opportunity of a conference in Riga Thursday to claim that large numbers of Russian soldiers are dying in fighting in Eastern Ukraine.
    It's always so vague, "large number" "thousands" "many" and so on.

    I'm guessing this is a propaganda attempt because the Ukrainian Army and Militias are as incompetent as the US trained Iraqi Army and have suffered horrendous casualties. 

    #UK delivers £850k worth of non-lethal aid to #Ukraine. Includes helmets, laptops, NV goggles, etc.


    https://twitter.com/ArmedResearch/status/573845404665651200

    Which will go to the Oligarchs' thugs and not to the UA as seen countless times before.
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    Post  Vann7 Fri Mar 06, 2015 5:45 pm

    Not completely peaceful the cease of fire.
    The OSCE mission was attacked by the ukies recently with mortars.. and they
    are alive by luck.. wondering if this incident will make Europe consider now sanctions
    against their lovely Kiev for attempting to murder their own representatives.



    My guess is not..
    Nothing happened.. they will look to the sides as always.. whenever kiev and or
    the pro European fighters commit war crimes.


    Donetsk airport.. recently

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    Post  cracker Fri Mar 06, 2015 6:01 pm

    NATO as a whole, should give ukraine old tanks like chieftains, or leopard 1... I'd like to see burned hulks of those. Seing how T-72B and T-64B tanks fall apart under artillery, those NATO tin cans shouldn't do much.

    I'd like to see finally a fight of nato vs russ tanks with the "semi-proper" protagonists inside them... I'd like to see Givi's men riding a column of Leo 1 after capturing them in another cauldron Very Happy

    would be a fantastic proof that NATO arms ukraine with lethal weapons
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    Post  Hisroyalhighness Fri Mar 06, 2015 6:09 pm

    #Ukrainian government is planning for a 2015 GDP drop of -11.9% and inflation of 42.8%. #Peremoga

    https://twitter.com/sbobkov/status/573534282590781441
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Fri Mar 06, 2015 6:56 pm

    Hisroyalhighness wrote:
    #Ukrainian government is planning for a 2015 GDP drop of -11.9% and inflation of 42.8%. #Peremoga

    https://twitter.com/sbobkov/status/573534282590781441

    LOL, so much for the claim that Russia's GDP would drop double the amount of Ukraine's, according to Standard and Poors. According to Standard and Poors, they claimed that the Ukrainian economy would drop by only by 2.6% and the Russian economy would drop by 5-6% in GDP. S&P makes no attempt to hide the fact that they're overly-politicized hacks... Embarassed
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    Post  Kimppis Fri Mar 06, 2015 7:31 pm

    Russia May Support Independent Donbas if Paths to Peace are Exhausted

    http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150306/1019165821.html

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