The Situation in the Ukraine. #11

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6gtMdEjooc

Nopvorussian army captured fully operational Ukrainian command post northwest of Debaltsevo with all maps, documents, orders and codes. They really run away very fast to leave this all intact.

You know why I am thinking about such low casualties? Cause they ran, got MIA, deserted, got captured and etc.
To get such casualties You have to fight. No one was slaughtering them if they gave up.
But I was only talking about retreat. Not whole battle before You know. Poroshenko claimed 6 KIA in the retreat.

kvs wrote:Over at the NATO butthurt forum there is the usual debate about how the rebel claims of 3.5 thousand regime
forces losses in the Debaltsevo kessel are not "realistic".   Really?  Half of the troops trapped in a cauldron can't
die?  It has to be some tiny percentage?   The rebel figures are the best estimate so far and demonstrate that
they are not engaged in cheeseball propaganda like the Kiev regime.

Read my comment up a couple in regards to this. If you go back to page12? or so, I did an ORBAT of the Ukrainian forces in the Donbas. Those units in the Debaltsevo Zone would total 8,000 men if fully staffed but there are no military units fully staffed especially those in action for 8 months. They were probably no more then 75-80% (6-6,400) at the renewal of fighting 5 weeks ago and they had probably lost 40% (~2,500) of those leading up to cauldron closing through casualties and illness.

Peace? Ukraine "Preparing For Full-Scale War" With Russia, Demands The West Supply Lethal Weapons

"We don't want to scare everybody, but we are preparing for full-scale war," wrote:

"we would like [The West] to send lethal weapons to Ukraine... weapons to allow us to defend ourselves." wrote:

What?

Anyway, if they cannot even beat a bunch of pissed off villagers, they wouldn't last two weeks top with a full Russian attack.

sepheronx wrote:Peace? Ukraine "Preparing For Full-Scale War" With Russia, Demands The West Supply Lethal Weapons

"we would like [The West] to send lethal weapons to Ukraine... weapons to allow us to defend ourselves." wrote:

What?

Anyway, if they cannot even beat a bunch of pissed off villagers, they wouldn't last two weeks top with a full Russian attack.

The Silly tie sucking man from Georgia has assured them that they will win easily.

franco wrote:

sepheronx wrote:Peace? Ukraine "Preparing For Full-Scale War" With Russia, Demands The West Supply Lethal Weapons

"we would like [The West] to send lethal weapons to Ukraine... weapons to allow us to defend ourselves." wrote:

What?

Anyway, if they cannot even beat a bunch of pissed off villagers, they wouldn't last two weeks top with a full Russian attack.

The Silly tie sucking man from Georgia has assured them that they will win easily.

Maybe Napoleon, Hitler, Golden Horde and who not will assure him the self outcome and make the circle of losers.

Uh, the Mongols...were pretty successful when it comes to pwning Russia.

#DNR administration reported that all combat action of #NAF was stopped along the #CeaseFire line. The ball is in #Ukraine's court. #ATO

https://twitter.com/sbobkov/status/569206962807660544

I bet we'll see a summer offensive from Kiev that will end poorly.

sepheronx wrote:Peace? Ukraine "Preparing For Full-Scale War" With Russia, Demands The West Supply Lethal Weapons

"we would like [The West] to send lethal weapons to Ukraine... weapons to allow us to defend ourselves." wrote:

What?

Anyway, if they cannot even beat a bunch of pissed off villagers, they wouldn't last two weeks top with a full Russian attack.

That  "Full scale war" only means provoke Russia hard enough for them to invade.  
The anglozionist powers US-UK-Canada-JewsElite and their baltic cronies are really desperate of their failure
in Ukraine.. and if those claims are true.. it means total desperation.

When you go to war ,you need goals , to have them setup first. In Ukraine case..
the west and kiev know that..

1)They know they cannot win in a war against Russia.
2)They know that there will be not a lot of support for that on their army.
3) THey also know that regardless of what they claim in public ,that Russia and Putin are not crazy.. and will not
Bomb kiev with civilians near and even less use nuclear weapons .

4)But they also know that they can provoke Russia to invade.
5)and Force them to stay in Ukraine for indefinite time. ie.. by attacking Russian cities with Tomahawks missiles
or by shelling border cities..with NATO long range artillery. or simply by new Odesssa massacres.


And why will they provoke Russia invade if they know they can't win? Because is simply economic warfare.
the west wants Russia to invade plain and simple..to sabotage Russia economy , and through the help of the western media ,and NGOs and algozionist powers..provoke more false flags.. more MH-17s and blame it on Russia.

So ultimate goals of the west..
1)Create a really Rusophobic Nation in Ukraine that not only blames Russia for their poverty problems but who wants to kill all Etnic Russians. (with the help of their propaganda and false flags)
2)Use the violence they planning to create , to more sanctions against Russia. and hopefully force Russia to invade
with an army to install order and later with the help of their media ,call Russia the aggressor.

How France and Germany and the rest of EU can easily boycott US-CANADA-UK and baltic states plans of Isolation of Russia.. Simply by lifting all sanctions on Russia and declare that is Ukraine the one provoking the violence.. That they have seen who is the real aggressor and that will not sanction Russia no matter what happens in Ukraine. and that they demand Ukraine to stop its war against eastern Ukraine and Russia.

Once the game is stopped ,they no longer will find it profitable to provoke RUssia and to continue bombing eastern
ukraine. IS full scale economic warfare and isolation of Russia the name of the anglozionist game .. and the violence we could see in the future in Ukraine will be just the tactics they use. Unfortunately this games does not benefit the normal civilians in Ukraine , so it shows the level of corrupt politicians that exist in kiev. They all for sure are bribed with properties in palm springs florida..and a happy life there if they allow Ukraine to be used to sabotage economically Russia.

All this Invisible Russian submarines ,the chasing of Russian military planes in international airspace. the warning of baltic civilians about a "possible Russian army invasion" as the Lithuanian bitch president told.,the sanctions ,sanctions and more sanctions even if they are silly.. (they help to keep the propaganda and demonize Russia on the headlines). all this is a SHOW aimed to create fear on the west against Russia..justify western anglozionist powers and its colonies economic warfare against Russia.

Interestingly what is happening today is similar in many ways to what was happening before Hitler start world war 2.
Germany was provoked in a million of ways to invade Poland.. Poland bombed German minorities with their planes and created concentration camps for ethnic germans in their stolen territories of germany.  The major difference
now is that Anglozionist powers cannot fight Russia directly because have nuclear weapons ,enough to wipe them..
so this is why the entire war is purely focused in isolating Russia Economy and provoking unrest in Russian cities ,in wishful thinking hopes that a revolution could happen in Russia and disband the nation.  


And why is important for manipulation of Public opinion? Because if they do not demonize Russia ,they could end
with unrest in their own cities of civilians demanding their government to stop its aggression on Russia and eastern ukraine. but also it will be impossible to provoke unrest in Russia either.. if the public opinion is on the side of Putin and not the west.

So manipulating world opinion for isolation of Russia and economic warfare is what they seek and turn Russia into the aggressor and Kiev into the "victim" and the west into the saviors of the world. The economic war is almost full scale..  From american rating agencies of "junk" to Russian economy ,to propaganda media ,to provoking Russia to invade ,to illegal wars in middle east to overthrow Russia allies from power. The Anglozionist are so desperate to isolate Russia economy from europe.. that they have lowered sanctions on IRAN ,so they can also flood the market with cheap Oil..and keep prices low. and this is not mention of the Fracking that they attack their own energy business profits ,for keeping oil prices low and weaken Russia.

Did i said is economic warfare and isolation of Russia with promoting a civil war in Russia? yes..
and this is why their tactics are so wide and different.. from Sanctions.. to terrorist attacks in Russia.. to lowering the Oil prices , to misleading people about Sochi ..  

What things they have not tried?
1)Biological warfare.  Which is also another tool the anglozionist powers use in Africa to keep those nations poor.
But something like this could trigger a world war and even nuclear from Russia because they will know who did it..
This is why NATO chief recently told Europeans that the purpose of Supplying weapons to Ukraine was not so that the Russian army is defeated..but to make it very costly to Russia.. their support to Donetsk and Luganks. Economic warfare 100% against Russia. and had nothing happened in Ukraine and the euromaidan failed to overthrow yakunovych ,they will have tried with revolutions in other former soviet republics .

Ukraine today is in the claws of the most criminal powerful organization in the planet ever created.. the Anglo Neocons Globalist Elite. and they will not mind to sacrifice millions people lives in Ukraine as they did in IRAQ ,if Europe do not stop them.

the good news however is that US and globalist allies plans have no chance to prevail. The probabilities they will isolate Russia are next to zero.. because most of Europe is well aware of Anglozionist plan ,and they will resist ,and
if they push too much , US will end being the ones isolated. and provoke Europe to unite Russia in ways that will make really mad them.. the EuroAsian free trade union that germany suggested recently and that originally proposed by Putin. That will be a mortal blow to the US empire plans to isolate Russia..

Meanwhile US and UK are very sure there will be more sanctions against Russia..
http://rt.com/usa/234391-kerry-russia-new-sancions/

So if looks like a joke ,their excuses for sanctions against Russia is because it is.. Russia welcome in a resolution
the territorial integrity of Ukraine and a cease of fire (going against the Rebels will) which mostly holds and still they want more sanctions against Russia.

What is the significance of this flag? He is from Novorussia side. I ask because the colours are same as romanian flag (only those are vertical not horizontal). Is it a cossack flag?



Another.

TR1 wrote:Uh, the Mongols...were pretty successful when it comes to pwning Russia.

That's a Scalegarian fiction.

Several times, I've read this thread and been rather embarrassed to be a member of the forum.

Yet again, on a RUSSIAN FORUM, people are writing utter crap that "poor Mr Hitler was treated SOOOOOOOO badly and forced into killing tens of millions by the Jews and the Anglos" ie INCLUDING 27 MILLION RUSSIANS.

Absolutely pathetic. Clearly words like "Mein Kamp" and "Lebenstraum" mean nothing to these "Einsteins".. :rolleyes:

flamming_python wrote:There are way too many crackpots on this site

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Well said flamming. To think some of them can kiss Nazism's arse and then claim to be Russian in some way is just jawdropping.

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:To me, it doesn't seem that many Nazis were actually allowed to leave the Debal'tsevo pocket.

The reason is that if you look at the Nazi video clips of all of those who made it to Artyomovsk, and count them all, the number would be pretty small, just a couple of hundreds or a few hundreds out of about 8000, maybe even less. Of course, the Nazis would video and show all of the troops that were permitted to leave the pocket because they want to claim the largest possible number for those that survived this episode.

Has anybody counted? I think Cassad has made some kind of numerical calculation, but I can't understand Russian.

A few minority on this forum should not represent a large majority.

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:To me, it doesn't seem that many Nazis were actually allowed to leave the Debal'tsevo pocket.

The reason is that if you look at the Nazi video clips of all of those who made it to Artyomovsk, and count them all, the number would be pretty small, just a couple of hundreds or a few hundreds out of about 8000, maybe even less. Of course, the Nazis would video and show all of the troops that were permitted to leave the pocket because they want to claim the largest possible number for those that survived this episode.

Has anybody counted? I think Cassad has made some kind of numerical calculation, but I can't understand Russian.

Cassad is the one who suggests 1200-1500 UF deaths near Debaltsevo. As for how many Nazis escaped? Don't see many Nazis in the regular UK army . They mostly exist in the National Guard and Interior Troops and there were only 300+ of those got out according to even the figures released by the Ukrainian Army, I guess they forgot to inform them of any withdrawal. The NAF say there are still 500 UAF troops still resisting in the cauldron, would expect they are your Nazis.

mack8 wrote:What is the significance of this flag? He is from Novorussia side. I ask because the colours are same as romanian flag (only those are vertical not horizontal). Is it a cossack flag?



Another.

It is either the flag of the Don Cossack, Luhansk Republic or both.

TR1 wrote:Uh, the Mongols...were pretty successful when it comes to pwning Russia.

It helps to fling dead carcasses full of the Bubonic plague via catapult. Apparently germs have killed more people in war, than the actual fighting itself.

magnumcromagnon wrote:

GarryB wrote:I suspect he fears that with US actually supplying the Kiev forces with weapons and training openly that the Russians might decide to do the same with the anti Kiev forces.

Or he is realising that continuing with the lie means he will be stuck with two helicopter barges and a big bill....

On that same note, their was talk earlier in this thread about how the U.S. was supplying counter mortar radar for Kiev forces. Looks like we have the most definitive evidence of the U.S. supplying Kiev with military technology, including the serial numbers of supplies shipped as well as the paper trail:






...On the bright side Russia will now know how to directly develop tactics to defeat U.S. counter mortar radar.

No comments on the actual 'paper trail' of US shipping military technology to Ukraine? Surprising.

guys please, can someone make a full detailed report of all western items already found? quantity, etc.. I know of javelins, M4 rifles, military rations (from US, and various EU), anti artillery radars, a lot of body armour from poland, UK and even USA(?) (helmets included)... The HMMWV vehicles (probably coming from a neigbour like CZ or poland? romania?)... the british SAXON APC... Some said sniper rifles too... Also this history of 155mm artillery shells found (was it fired on gorlovka?)... and "75mm mlrs"... Well, anything interests me!

Also, a list of all events involving NATO mercs... bodies of poles in airport? the english speaking guy filmed in kramatorsk (or was it another city)... report by a woman of "niggers dancing with guns on an APC".... anything?

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:

TR1 wrote:Uh, the Mongols...were pretty successful when it comes to pwning Russia.

That's a Scalegarian fiction.

Oh ok, I must be mistaken, Russian princes did not pay tribute for hundreds of years.

VIDEO: "We don't have a cease-fire" - #Ukraine PM Yatsenyuk via @GregPalkot

https://twitter.com/ArmedResearch/status/569268670884679680

As long as this fool and his cohorts remain in power, there won't be a honest-to-God halt in hostilities.

Hisroyalhighness wrote:

VIDEO: "We don't have a cease-fire" - #Ukraine PM Yatsenyuk via @GregPalkot

https://twitter.com/ArmedResearch/status/569268670884679680

As long as this fool and his cohorts remain in power, there won't be a honest-to-God halt in hostilities.

But,but... he is the USA's handpicked man. And they are prepared to fight this to the last Ukrainian I'm afraid.

Hisroyalhighness wrote:

VIDEO: "We don't have a cease-fire" - #Ukraine PM Yatsenyuk via @GregPalkot

https://twitter.com/ArmedResearch/status/569268670884679680

As long as this fool and his cohorts remain in power, there won't be a honest-to-God halt in hostilities.

The previous ceasefire was non existent as well since the Kiev regime kept shelling civilians routinely. It is good
to see the regime squirming. They thought the rebels would fall for the same trick a second time.

The regime is interested in war because the economy of Ukraine is going into the toilet. Peace would mean that
all the attention is on the regime and its utter failure. But with war they can focus the attention of the saps on
Putin and ebil Russia.

But Russia is not taking the bait and invading and it knows that time is on its side. The regime will go down the toilet
as well. Note how the west is not putting its money where its mouth is and giving their quislings in Kiev serious support.