The Situation in the Ukraine. #11

Russia finally leaves another stupid treaty, hopefully they'll leave the MTCR and INF treaty not far from now:

Russia 'completely ending' activities under Conventional Armed Forces in Europe treaty

Can someone point to that Vann that the Julian Assange picture he's ranting about is PHOTOSHOPPED... jeez.

magnumcromagnon wrote:Russia finally leaves another stupid treaty, hopefully they'll leave the MTCR and INF treaty not far from now:

Russia 'completely ending' activities under Conventional Armed Forces in Europe treaty

Good riddance to that thing, as for INF i believe Russia should maintain it for now, and the MTCR should have been axed years ago.

mack8 wrote:Can someone point to that Vann that the Julian Assange picture he's ranting about is PHOTOSHOPPED... jeez.

You must be full of yourself...

mack8 wrote:Can someone point to that Vann that the Julian Assange picture he's ranting about is PHOTOSHOPPED... jeez.

Pretty badly 'shopped at that

But even if it wasn't - just what is so bad about calling out 9/11 truthers anyway? Would increase the credibility of Assange in my eyes, if anything.

9/11 truthism is nothing more than some bollocks tin-foil hattery designed to sell books and take people's attention away from the real crookery being undertaken by their politicians; such as invading Iraq on false pretenses, funding and supporting Islamist rebels in Syria, installing a dictatorial oligarchy in power in the Ukraine and so on.
Like all these conspiracy theories really. Divert people's attention with a spectacle in one hand and they won't notice the very real, bad and actually plausible/realistic things that the other hand is doing.

The only conspiracy theory I'm willing to subscribe to is the one that says that all the other conspiracy theories are a government-sponsored industry to mislead and misdirect the obviously far from insignificant amout of dissent in their societies, into a most wrong and unproductive form which would quite readily ridiculed and dismissised by most ordinary people - where otherwise those ordinary people might have had reason to think and question their government.
Vann7, Wereworlf & co. you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. Quit being part of the problem.
But I'm not going to make a point on ranting about it. Or believing it myself. Just my little theory really, could be wrong.

http://uatoday.tv/news/afp-us-envoy-denounces-reign-of-terror-in-crimea-east-ukraine-414442.html

"Even as Ukraine is building a peaceful, democratic, independent nation across 93 percent of its territory, Crimea and parts of eastern Ukraine are suffering a reign of terror,       " Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland, told the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

"Today Crimea remains under illegal occupation and human rights abuses        are the norm, not the exception, for many at risk groups there," she said.

She said several groups - Crimean Tatars, Ukrainians who refuse to surrender their passports, gays and lesbians, journalists and others - are at risk of persecution.

"In eastern Ukraine, Russia and its separatist puppets unleashed unspeakable violence and pillage,"         she said.

"This manufactured conflict - controlled by the Kremlin; fueled by Russian tanks and heavy weapons; financed at Russian taxpayers' expense - has cost the lives of more than 6,000 Ukrainians, but also of hundreds of young Russians sent to fight and die there by the Kremlin, in a war their government denies."      

this clown is really desperate...

flamming_python wrote:

mack8 wrote:Can someone point to that Vann that the Julian Assange picture he's ranting about is PHOTOSHOPPED... jeez.

Pretty badly 'shopped at that

But even if it wasn't - just what is so bad about calling out 9/11 truthers anyway? Would increase the credibility of Assange in my eyes, if anything.

9/11 truthism is nothing more than some bollocks tin-foil hattery designed to sell books and take people's attention away from the real crookery being undertaken by their politicians;

Says the one , who was accusing Russia government of "screwing with the Mh-17 plane" and supporting the idea that Putin did it..  

Oh boy.. if you want to live in fantasy world like TR1.. and others and believe the story
that Taliban in caves organized and coordinated from afganistan and major operation in United States by passing the security of many airports and drive civilians 747 planes with just weeks of training flying mono planes..and 3 buildings collapse after 2 buildings are hit by planes the third one not even hit..and that their passports were found just withing minutes of searching in the crash site.. then im sorry for you my friend. You can be a zombie if you like.. but not me.
You are part of the problem my friend with this state of the world of how it is today.. people who refuse to see the truth when they see it.  The 9/11 truth is not a movement of uneducated people as you think..  is backed 2,332 ARquitech and Engineers WORLD WIDE , ,with PHD and Masters degrees.. and international Scientist award winners. Not people in the payroll of US government..IS backed by Former High Ranked US FBI Officials , former Pentagon Generals, people with very respectable careers , 9/11 was a 100% FRAUD!  a false flag attack.. a blatant crime by the US Neoconservative Elite , and the reason why the world is on the SHIT is today.. is because people like you ,that have allowed the criminals behind 9/11 to get away with the crime and continue  in power or with their happy lives. Even the star witness that the FBI used of its investigation and was his name on the official report ,admitted it was a fraud.. behind cameras years later he gave his testimonies.. that he was pressed to lie about how the planes hit the pentagon.. The people who demand a new investigation is not the problem.. but people like you that do not question anything that comes from a nation with the poorest record in the world in credibility of all.



I have done by research , and im 100% sure that people like you have not even spend 5 minutes trying to look other information not in line with the official story telling.
Honestly i cannot understand why will anyone couldn't care less for the murder of 3,000
people when legitimate contradictions shows up ,that contradict the official story. According
to former FBI CHiEF of LA.. TED Guderson.. not a conspirator.. but a retired FBI chief officer
with 30 years of experience on his career.. not only 9/11 2001 was an inside job.. but also the
bomb attacks on the same buildings in 1993 ,where only few people died and buildings did not collapse. the Bombs were given by the FBI to the terrorist.. yes you read it right. and the man who did it was only following orders from their FBI supervisors. WAKE UP DUDE!!  America is a terrorist state. And you are part of the problem ,for choosing to ignore the facts and believe
in fantasy tales ,which is the official story.

ahmedfire:

Actually sometimes we can just look at past to see what is happening in present ,operations like Northwoods, Project MKUltra, Phoenix are not so far ,CIA is directly involved in killing his own people .

yes.. but not even mention that.. because some people here will feel offended for any story
that does not goes in line with the official line of US Gov lovely "freedom nation." and will
call you a "conspiracy nut" or a "clown". Some people cannot handle the truth and return to their imaginary world of US being a nation who fights for democracy and freedom.


In more news.. a new released documentary about Donbass

It is said that these are Suckson APCs on Ukie battlefield

https://scontent-sin.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/11046764_10152850457927561_8768983122444122902_n.jpg?oh=4f2d72df3c5c746af80ee3d962e90d31&oe=557A205E

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higurashihougi wrote:It is said that these are Suckson APCs on Ukie battlefield

https://scontent-sin.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/11046764_10152850457927561_8768983122444122902_n.jpg?oh=4f2d72df3c5c746af80ee3d962e90d31&oe=557A205E

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, oh my word, as I predicted the Suckasson APC is a utter heap of garbage, as shown in the pictures lol! +1 For the photos!

Says the one , who was accusing Russia government of "screwing with the Mh-17 plane" and supporting the idea that Putin did it..

In this case they are right... even just a glance at the photo of Assange holding up that newspaper and I can easily see that it has been photoshopped... there is simply no question.

Just look at how the area for the title has been erased and the title they have put in is flat yet the paper itself is not flat... it has a curve in it... the page is not flat like it would be if it was on a desk yet the title is flat and does not follow the curve of the paper like it would if it was actually written on the paper instead of typed over in a software programme.

Regarding the Saxon, it was called useless by its users years ago and has not gotten better. They would be as safe with a BTR-152... except they would have been much cheaper...

RIP to the soldier, who died and to the soldiers who will die because of this substandard piece of rubbish.

Vann please stop bringing my name up in these clinically insane rants of yours.

flamming_python wrote: ... conspiracy theories ...

What's a "conspiracy theory"?

higurashihougi wrote:It is said that these are Suckson APCs on Ukie battlefield

https://scontent-sin.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/11046764_10152850457927561_8768983122444122902_n.jpg?oh=4f2d72df3c5c746af80ee3d962e90d31&oe=557A205E

https://scontent-sin.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/10408971_10152850458032561_6068323345155428747_n.jpg?oh=caf077abfbcef6ef52d3f1c4f0dd3469&oe=558A4E71

https://scontent-sin.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/10408971_10152850458032561_6068323345155428747_n.jpg?oh=caf077abfbcef6ef52d3f1c4f0dd3469&oe=558A4E71

Apparently they say "it lost control". Does anybody know if "the control was lost" after a sniper fire, or it was ...?

The article I read said one vehicle was towing another and the driver jacknifed it...
Didn't mention if there was anyone in the vehicle being towed (both vehicles were Saxons apparently).

Vann7 wrote:Says the one , who was accusing Russia government of "screwing with the Mh-17 plane" and supporting the idea that Putin did it..  

No I didn't numbnuts, I said that I believe the rebels probably shot MH-17 down, and by accident.

That's not the same as saying that Putin did it, or of the Russian government 'screwing with the Mh-17 plane' (what the hell is that even supposed to mean).

Source: Ukraine Today

flamming_python wrote:

Vann7 wrote:Says the one , who was accusing Russia government of "screwing with the Mh-17 plane" and supporting the idea that Putin did it..  

No I didn't numbnuts, I said that I believe the rebels probably shot MH-17 down, and by accident.

That's not the same as saying that Putin did it, or of the Russian government 'screwing with the Mh-17 plane' (what the hell is that even supposed to mean).

That is a conspiracy theory right there, grasping for the least likely scenarios when every evidence points at ukies.

GarryB wrote:

Says the one , who was accusing Russia government of "screwing with the Mh-17 plane" and supporting the idea that Putin did it..

In this case they are right... even just a glance at the photo of Assange holding up that newspaper and I can easily see that it has been photoshopped... there is simply no question.

Just look at how the area for the title has been erased and the title they have put in is flat yet the paper itself is not flat... it has a curve in it... the page is not flat like it would be if it was on a desk yet the title is flat and does not follow the curve of the paper like it would if it was actually written on the paper instead of typed over in a software programme.

Regarding the Saxon, it was called useless by its users years ago and has not gotten better. They would be as safe with a BTR-152... except they would have been much cheaper...

RIP to the soldier, who died and to the soldiers who will die because of this substandard piece of rubbish.

I used the photo ,because is a popular one of Julian Assange used in internet to illustrate his
support for the Government official Story.. Is obvious is photoshoped newspaper but the fact remains that He accused in public the 9/11 truth movement as "conspiracies theories" and not a genuine people.. take a look.. what he told..

“I’m constantly annoyed that people are distracted by false conspiracies such as 9/11, when all around we provide evidence of real conspiracies, for war or mass financial fraud.” – WikiLeaks  


Since when did WikiLeaks become the tip of the spear in the global war for truth, transparency, knowledge, and freedom? Did I miss something? An organization that rejects the truth that 9/11 was an inside job is not working to promote transparency, free speech, and truth, but more nefarious causes. Those who seek to marginalize the global 9/11 truth and justice movement are not on the right side of history. Assange lost all credibility when he made the statement in 2010 to the Belfast Telegraph that the 9/11 conspiracy theory is an example of “false conspiracies.” Reality disagrees .
People can choose to reject 9/11 conspiracy theories all they want, but they will not go away because they are based on hard facts and scientific data . ...infowars..

So the photoshop is irrelevant . it perfectly shows Julian Assange position on 9/11. So the whole argument i had does not change in any way..he is a fradulent whistleblower just like Snowden.. and the first thing "Fake defectors" or "hackers" ,CIA counter-intelligence operatives do.. after they do everything to 1)Become popular in the world media 2)And Made it look their are "defectors" and chased for telling the "truth" 3) and report "leaks" and meaningless facts.. is to do what they really intended to do and that is to become a new channel of diss-information .. on the real things ,like international scandals that could cause a President to go to jail... And the way to spot this fraudulent "defectors" is to see if they pass the 9/11 test.. they never do it..

Either they claim it never happened and is just fantasies.. (like Julian assange) or it was a government "security mistake" the government fear to be discovered.. (SNowden) and not surprisingly the Pro NATO western media idolize them.. and promote them as "Heroes" or "Ultimate source of information"..   Whenever you are told that "hackers" download thousands
of US Government classified information is blatant lies.. it never happened. The US defense industry and the government does not use public networks to store their confidential classified information.. and if that was not enough security ,is encrypted.. so it cannot be read.

Interestingly the US neoconservative political elite after the strong information on internet that ISIS is their creation , they now using their favorite excuse ,whenever they are
claimed to violate international laws.. that is.. "it was by mistake".
 
So remember this words..  " It was a mistake ".. Alqaeda was a "mistake".. Isis was a "mistake"
,9/11 was a "security mistake" ,and any future false flag event.. will be blamed on a "mistake".

This is what the criminal US government will
repeat again and again and again.. whenever they are caught doing something criminal and illegal .  Opps.. by mistake this weapons got in the hands in ISIS.. ops..

Real Whistleblowers tell things that truly Shock the world.. in their content. and that could send to jail Presidents..  Take a look at Gary Webs.. the first american journalist who do a research and uncover a direct connection between US government and Drugs Cartels in Latin America a very lucrative business business that still today they have ,to boost its economy by selling drugs.. If the name is  unknown for you is because they don't want the world to know about him.. he was killed in his apartment after a very detailed reporting of the US government underground business with Drugs Cartels  in Latin America.. and no one was arrested.. the official story is he committed suicide.  

There are many whistleblowers.. but never any of them will be covered by any Anglozionist popular media.. Not even to discredit them.. mentioning their name alone is promotion..
So they will never promote what is dangerous for US empire.. and credibility.. and will promote whatever is good for their Geopolitical Interest. While Snoden and Julian Assange got Headlines top story ,many times in US popular media like New York TImes and washtington post.. people like Gary Webs or Ted Guderson or Susan Lindauer. .are simply completely ignored.. they don't exist.. what they claim is too dangerous for their world image as a "freedom loving nation" that fight for "human rights" and "Security" in the world..

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Jet fuel explodes !!!1111

WTC 7

Is the situation in Ukraine really so boring and eventless that you can't restrain yourselves from talking about something completely irrelevant to this topic?

According to some Novorussian sources the hostilities should restart soon.

Good. I hope they will capitalize on their victories and seize at least Mariupol.

Meanwhile I look "forward" to NATO attempts to "arm" Ukrainian army. I said "arm" because now it does not need arming, it needs rebuilding. I wonder who will give these dozens of bilions of $ to do that? We shouldn't give a single Euro, let Americans pay for that.

Lothar von Trotha wrote:Good. I hope they will capitalize on their victories and seize at least Mariupol.

Meanwhile I look "forward" to NATO attempts to "arm" Ukrainian army. I said "arm" because now it does not need arming, it needs rebuilding. I wonder who will give these dozens of bilions of $ to do that? We shouldn't give a single Euro, let Americans pay for that.

My wish is that they have to pay by TRUE GOLD, not by papers printed by the U.S. FED. Unlikely to happened, though.