The Situation in the Ukraine. #11

magnumcromagnon wrote:...Here we go again:

Dead Newspaper Editor Latest Addition to String of Mysterious Deaths in Ukraine

Kiev junta cleaning the field? Seven high profile suicides in Ukraine in one month.

NATO is not sending the Kiev butchers enough money to prop up their regime as the economy collapses. Note the deafening silence
in regards to the current status of the Ukrainian economy in the western MSM. Even if the Kiev scum launches another big offensive to
capture the Donbas, it will not save itself. They flushed Ukraine's economy down the toilet to spite Russia and believing their own
degenerate Banderite myths of the "Russified south and east being a drain on the economy". These murders aren't going to save them
either.

higurashihougi wrote:
And shit things
EU leader Tusk joins list to reject invite to Putin's Moscow Victory Day parade

I disagree.  The Victory Day parade will be all the sweeter without that US-backed Euro-scum 5th-columnist lying POS stinking up the place.  That revanchist prick isn't welcome....

magnumcromagnon wrote:...Here we go again:

Dead Newspaper Editor Latest Addition to String of Mysterious Deaths in Ukraine

Kiev junta cleaning the field? Seven high profile suicides in Ukraine in one month.

Its a disgrace that the Western MSM who have indulged in the most absurd Russia/Putin-bashing over the assassination of Nemtsov are so utterly silent regarding the apparent mass assassinations of the Kiev juntas political opponents and members of the ousted government. The hypocrisy is simply overwhelming even by their atrocious standards (or lack thereof)...

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:They did produce some light vehicles and did some tank overhauls before the war. I believe this capability is now lost. Once they lose the Kharkov tank plant, they will not be able to repair tanks at all as well.

Actually, I believe they have brought several facilities into operation for overhauling and repairing tanks and armoured vehicles, bringing salvagable equipment into operation with spare parts from too-far gone equipment.

There is the Kharkov plant, one in Lvov and 2-3 more last I heard. Most probably they converted some old assembly plants and industrial sites, focussed on producting civilian equipment - into repair/salvage facilities of military equipment.
The rebels did a similar thing with one of Akhmetov's plants in Donetsk: http://russia-insider.com/en/2015/03/16/4562

I believe some modernization and production is happening on limited scales too. Their military-industrial capabilities have increased as compared to a year ago; the military budget has been raised to over 5% (unofficially probably more), and some of the IMFs money had previously been diverted to paying the expenses of the military and the ATO operation; would make sense that they used that same money to jump-start some of their long-decaying military industry.

Ultimately though the IMF isn't going to keep funding them forever, and the Ukrainian economy will keep sinking so their military budget will only decrease. Those goods they're making are all to replace the equipment they lost - they are making no money on export sales of it; it's strictly for their own use.
When the IMF money runs out, so too will the Ukraine's military production/repair capacty.

Flamming Python, how is Donbass economy doing? Is there strengthening of economic ties with Russia? How is trade between two countries? Well, creating a maximally vibrant economic relations with Russia is very important - Galicians barely have anything to offer to Poland (EU), Novorussians do have something to offer to Russia.

The Donbass's economy has been severely damaged as a result of the war; it's infastructure has been destroyed in many areas, and a huge amount of its population has fled. Many of it's industrial enterprises have been damaged by shells, and some of the smaller ones, as well as many business - have evacuated to Russia; often to the nearby Rostov region.

The DPR/LPR are living mostly of the financial and physical donations they receive from Russia's people, and the subsidies, humanitarian aid and whatever other aid they get from the Russian government.

According to the Ukrainian figures; the Donetsk and Lugansk regions' economies were down by as much as 50% compared to last year, albeit I'm not sure of the methodology - are those figures calculated from just the territories in the Donetsk and Lugansk regions that Kiev still controls, or somehow from the region as a whole, or what?

The real problem is that the rebels didn't succeed in taking these 2 regions; as it stands they control a little less than half of them territorially-wise, albeit the majority of the population is concentrated in the rebel-held areas it seems. Donetsk especially is fully in range of Ukrainian artillery, and there is no peace treaty as such, only a flimsy ceasefire agreement that gets broken on a regular basis.
Under such conditions it's impossible to talk about reviving the economy of these two regions; they are missing too much of them, and even more premature to discuss what they can offer to Russia - as I said, the Novorussians are living purely on Russia's charity for the moment.

They can jumpstart their economy, but they would have to build in the areas where the Ukrainian military does not have artillery range in. I imagine the raw materials, logging, sawmill/lumber yards would generate a lot of money, at least enough for them to develop a semi-functioning economy. In the future, they can use their repair plants to gain contracts to repair and modernize other countries military gear. There is also textile plant and my understanding is that there is a plant for Gloria Jeans in Lugansk area and they are restarting production again.

Thing is, if this peace treaty fails, the Novorussians will need to take more territory. They will need to gain much more land and manpower. Mauriapol and Kharkov need to be taken.

Just before the pigs go to the abattoir they exhibit many indications that they are feel they are facing their final hours.
There is lots of hysteria and all sorts of stress related action. The Polish wankers spouting off about Russia remind me
of this behaviour. Their patron Uncle Sam wants to start a war on Russia and subconsciously these idiots realize that
they are going to be the collateral damage. Instead of engaging their brains and telling Uncle Sam to get out, they engage
in anti-Russian hysteria.

higurashihougi wrote:Yeah, the pro-EU shits in Poland barked again      

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/564593/Vladimir-Putin-World-War-Three-Russia-Ukraine-Poland

Speaking to the TBVN24 channel, ex-Polish President Mr Walesa said: "Putin has started a war with the whole civilised world (...) If Russia takes a risk and attacks Poland and other countries, it will fall into pieces...Of course, a million will be killed, ten million maybe.

OK BUT let me ask WHERE THE F*CK IS THAT CIVILIZED WORLD ?

It would bring tears to my eyes if countries like China, India, Brazil, pretty much all of Africa and Latin America, Middle east and most of Asia stepped up and asked Poland: "We are not civilized?" Watch as they would fumble with their wordings and try to catch themselves falling. Because pretty much, this ex president of Poland has insulted 66% of the world, not to mention, many EU countries the Polacks call "allies" are still interested in trade and working with Russia.

Last I checked, I have not seen Russian troops in: Afghanistan and Iraq lately. Maybe someone should turn around and tell Poland "We are not the ones going to war for someone elses benefit. How many countries are we in vs how many are you in?". That would also pretty much stump them.

sepheronx wrote:

higurashihougi wrote:Yeah, the pro-EU shits in Poland barked again      

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/564593/Vladimir-Putin-World-War-Three-Russia-Ukraine-Poland

Speaking to the TBVN24 channel, ex-Polish President Mr Walesa said: "Putin has started a war with the whole civilised world (...) If Russia takes a risk and attacks Poland and other countries, it will fall into pieces...Of course, a million will be killed, ten million maybe.

OK BUT let me ask WHERE THE F*CK IS THAT CIVILIZED WORLD ?

It would bring tears to my eyes if countries like China, India, Brazil, pretty much all of Africa and Latin America, Middle east and most of Asia stepped up and asked Poland: "We are not civilized?" Watch as they would fumble with their wordings and try to catch themselves falling.  Because pretty much, this ex president of Poland has insulted 66% of the world, not to mention, many EU countries the Polacks call "allies" are still interested in trade and working with Russia.

Last I checked, I have not seen Russian troops in: Afghanistan and Iraq lately.  Maybe someone should turn around and tell Poland "We are not the ones going to war for someone elses benefit.  How many countries are we in vs how many are you in?".  That would also pretty much stump them.

There very own foreign minister (Radioslaw Sikorsky) admitted that his colleagues and himself in govt. prostitutes themselves politically for the United States, hard to take clown-shoes such as themselves seriously.

They should wait a year or two before releasing any history and geography books;)

http://sputniknews.com/world/20150319/1019715461.html

Now this is funny. So host a VD in Ukraine when they dont recognize their Soviet involvment? Wow, could the US officials be any more stupid?

sepheronx wrote:http://sputniknews.com/world/20150319/1019715461.html

Now this is funny. So host a VD in Ukraine when they dont recognize their Soviet involvment? Wow, could the US officials be any more stupid?

Seriously everyone with a brain in todays times should now realize that the western world are living in some nuthead parallel universe where Good is bad and bad is good, like Spongebob's Oppossite day, just that it goes on 365 days a year.

sepheronx wrote:http://sputniknews.com/world/20150319/1019715461.html

Now this is funny. So host a VD in Ukraine when they dont recognize their Soviet involvment? Wow, could the US officials be any more stupid?

The irony is that those imbeciles don't realize is that Kiev cancelled the Ukrainian Victory Day parade, it goes to show the level of stupidity and ignorance rampant in America over world politics, when even former U.S. diplomats aren't even capable of finding out if a country (the country they were ambassadors to) is even participating in a parade/celebration, or when the press secretary for the White House (Jen 'NUTZ' Psaki) thinks Belarus has naval borders when it's a land locked country.

Werewolf wrote:

sepheronx wrote:http://sputniknews.com/world/20150319/1019715461.html

Now this is funny. So host a VD in Ukraine when they dont recognize their Soviet involvment? Wow, could the US officials be any more stupid?

Seriously everyone with a brain in todays times should now realize that the western world are living in some nuthead parallel universe where Good is bad and bad is good, like Spongebob's Oppossite day, just that it goes on 365 days a year.

People on this forums always underestimate the Intentions ,determination ,organization and coordination and planning of US foreign policy and how their government is run.. ie.. To become a world empire. Is always carefully though to the last detail. From Sochi youtube videos and "innocent" Greenpeace NGOs to their color revolutions and when that fails NATO military interventions and their space weapons program. Even the American Music Industry ,and hollywood or TV shows is used at times against Russia. From control of world finances ,to control of world food throught their genetic modified crap , through control Energy prices and its supply to Europe and others. Through control of politicians , through economic sanctions and to their thousand of military bases in the world ,to become the last line of pressure towards those nations to be aligned with them. All those things have the same goal ,the containment of Russia economy and its military for free movement outside of Russia main land ,the damage of their world image and provoking its collapse like soviet times ,dividing its society.

All said.. the victory parade could easily be a Mask , a trojan horse.  to justify in the future the militarization of Ukraine.. with all the weapons in the world. including Nuclear weapons..  that is to do exactly what Russia does on its own territory .. on victory day but at their borders with NATO weapons and later leave the weapons there.  

Actually i will not be surprised if this "new idea" was in their manuals ,a decade ago ,
to justify the militarization of Ukraine. Russia can counter this by keeping the conflict going
in Ukraine..but on a soft level.. that is to keep low level but deadly operations sabotage teams in Ukraine.. at their orders.. not to attack civilians but to attack any NATO position in Ukraine that is a danger for Russian nation security. That is to make it very costly for NATO and very hard to keep any military base or warehouse and make sure there is no safe zone any part of Ukraine ,where Russia does not have agents or sabotage teams.. to any NATO military camp or base.  This will be very easy to do.. for RUssia because Ukraine poverty and dissapointment with their government .and any Ukraine "pro kiev "soldiers will become a potential informant for the right price or even participate in the attack of any NATO territory in Ukraine.  

So whenever any high ranked politician says anything.. not in an interview that was slipped
but something they take the time and say it .In an official statement  make no mistake.. Very likely it was very well though what they want with their declarations.

AT first they will make a symbolic parade without weapons , but later years they increase slowly by slowly until they fully have the biggest military base in the world of NATO , right at Russian borders with thousands of tanks , missiles aiming at moscow and thousands of combat planes.
Something like that will make very dangerous for any Russian president to take a plane at travel outside of Russia towards Europe.  They could shut down Putin plane and later says ops by mistake we did it ,we are sorry. perfectly an Ukrainian Airforce pilot with ukrainian soviet plane for the job.. Since Russia cannot nuke a former republic.

it also will be ideal for creating a Syrian proxy war scenario.. IF for example they manage to create a coup in Russia , with the army divided , Ukraine will supply NATO weapons to the opposition and become its main supply line.  

All said is very dangerous ,the plans of NATO be allowed to hold victory parades with NATO weapons right there at Russian borders in Ukraine.which is what is going to happen 100% ..if Russia do not manage to counter that .

Is a soft war..that is done step by step ,little by little and the name is really misleading.. because the American-BritishlJewish Neocon Elite ,their intention is a real war in the end..
with millions killed but without them being seen as the hands doing the killing. But Ukrainians + europeans vs Russians.

But before a military confrontation can happen , first a civil war needs to happen in Russia
and the army divided and the nation split in many parts.. thats where Ukraine will come into
place to become the main supplier of weapons to "the Free-Russian army fighters".  That was the entire goal of Nuland in Kiev supporting the Euromaidans.. her ultimate goal...  But Putin managed to reverse the conflict towards them without using its army and Thanks for Putin maintaining the Public Opinion support not only in Russia but in the world.

In the end i think the NeoFascist Globalist powers are doomed to fail.. Europeans knows what
are American Government real intentions behind Ukraine.. (RT media have played a major role here ,they never predicted Russia media success of educating people.) and they will sabotage the Anglozionist attempts and baltic colonies to do that. So far majority of Europe will not allow Americans to get their way into breaking their Business ties and relations with Russia.

But again.. this is a soft war.. this tactics of Anglozionist are very old already.. look at Syrian war.. they first send food and medicine.. months later.. they talk about posibility of sending more non lethal aid.. later they do it.. later they talk about posibility of defensive weapons against Terrorist.. for moderates.. later they do it..  later they talk about offensive weapons and a no fly zone.. Is designed all this shit , to justify or make it more easier for the american people to tolerate their flagrant aggression on a sovereign nation.. baby militarization steps .. policy you can call it.. or soft war..and is aimed to make it more acceptable for americans
their nation criminal proxy war.. on several fronts in the world at the same time.

Again NATO wants their lethal weapons in Ukraine.. how they can do it.. and justify it?
a new Victory Parade is one way.. or for "self defense" of Kiev ,because of the war going..
another. Or because they want to send Ukrainians to "fight ISIS".. in middle east.. In Syria the
same Anglozionist elite give weapons to TR1's  "freedom fighters" or so called "moderates" to
"fight ISIS" what in reality they are doing is invading Syria with their proxy armies to overthrow
Assad and replace him for a Puppet leader they can manipulate at will. and they are the cause of the misery of 20 millions of civilians in Syria.. who have either lost their houses or job and with at least 1 famility member killed in the war. .is the major atrocity ever made by Anglozionist powers since they provoked Hitler into a war. and they masterfully have gotten
way with this Crime against humanity ,by this soft bullshit tactics.

Incredible, a defender of Hitler. On a RUSSIA forum..

THATS why there are Russians reluctant post.

I reckon some of these accounts are based in Washington. Some Nuland wannabee saying to scum like Pskanky,
"How can we smear pro Russia views? I know lets mix pro-Russian and Nazism, then we can compare Russia to Nazism".

W. T. F.  

Simplist way to deal with these hostilities towards Russia is not giving tthem the time of day. Close borders with the countries openly hostile to Russia, bar trade with them, and close off embassies or at least limit them to a couple of people. Then move away from their banking standard and simply move towards a more self reliant economy and improve living standards. A nation of people dont need to make 50K a year to live comfortably. As long as they can get a decent roof over their head, decent jobs and a basic goods, then that is already the right step. Open up trade even more with countries who are also facing the pinch because of US (like Iran, Syria, Egypt, Venezuela, etc) and just build yourself up. Let the Ukrainians and baltic countries rot. Force them to pay all Russian goods if they want them in Russias choosing. If they dont want them, then they can go without them. Keep diolague to a minimum and if they want to complain about nothing, openly point out their fallacies and just continue on. Russia benefits from having most known resources and abundant of energy. They just need to increase Russians population and spread out more through the country. There will always be people to trade with. As long as Russia has nukes and continues to improve their offensive abilities, they wont be openly touched. If the borders are controlled and limits to embassies are put into place while banning foreign NGO's who have ties to the embassys, then the chances of people being lead on wont happen.

Russia must get to Iran first before US does. Russias sit on ass and watch policy wont help.

sepheronx wrote:Simplist way to deal with these hostilities towards Russia is not giving tthem the time of day. Close borders with the countries openly hostile to Russia, bar trade with them, and close off embassies or at least limit them to a couple of people. Then move away from their banking standard and simply move towards a more self reliant economy and improve living standards. A nation of people dont need to make 50K a year to live comfortably. As long as they can get a decent roof over their head, decent jobs and a basic goods, then that is already the right step. Open up trade even more with countries who are also facing the pinch because of US (like Iran, Syria, Egypt, Venezuela, etc) and just build yourself up. Let the Ukrainians and baltic countries rot. Force them to pay all Russian goods if they want them in Russias choosing. If they dont want them, then they can go without them. Keep diolague to a minimum and if they want to complain about nothing, openly point out their fallacies and just continue on. Russia benefits from having most known resources and abundant of energy. They just need to increase Russians population and spread out more through the country. There will always be people to trade with. As long as Russia has nukes and continues to improve their offensive abilities, they wont be openly touched. If the borders are controlled and limits to embassies are put into place while banning foreign NGO's who have ties to the embassys, then the chances of people being lead on wont happen.

Russia must get to Iran first before US does. Russias sit on ass and watch policy wont help.

Regarding Iran, Russia is not sitting around, the defence minister visited Tehran , along with other top officials and Russia also has lot's of business ties with Iran.

par far wrote:

sepheronx wrote:Simplist way to deal with these hostilities towards Russia is not giving tthem the time of day. Close borders with the countries openly hostile to Russia, bar trade with them, and close off embassies or at least limit them to a couple of people. Then move away from their banking standard and simply move towards a more self reliant economy and improve living standards. A nation of people dont need to make 50K a year to live comfortably. As long as they can get a decent roof over their head, decent jobs and a basic goods, then that is already the right step. Open up trade even more with countries who are also facing the pinch because of US (like Iran, Syria, Egypt, Venezuela, etc) and just build yourself up. Let the Ukrainians and baltic countries rot. Force them to pay all Russian goods if they want them in Russias choosing. If they dont want them, then they can go without them. Keep diolague to a minimum and if they want to complain about nothing, openly point out their fallacies and just continue on. Russia benefits from having most known resources and abundant of energy. They just need to increase Russians population and spread out more through the country. There will always be people to trade with. As long as Russia has nukes and continues to improve their offensive abilities, they wont be openly touched. If the borders are controlled and limits to embassies are put into place while banning foreign NGO's who have ties to the embassys, then the chances of people being lead on wont happen.

Russia must get to Iran first before US does. Russias sit on ass and watch policy wont help.

Regarding Iran, Russia is not sitting around, the defence minister visited Tehran , along with other top officials and Russia also has lot's of business ties with Iran.

Wont mean much after sanctions on Iran lifted. Russia should have proven itself a reliable partner and sold the S-300 back then. Hopefully they can acquire contracts now.

Firebird wrote:Incredible, a defender of Hitler. On a RUSSIA forum..

THATS why there are Russians reluctant post.

I reckon some of these accounts are based in Washington. Some Nuland wannabee saying to scum like Pskanky,
"How can we smear pro Russia views? I know lets mix pro-Russian and Nazism, then we can compare Russia to Nazism".

W. T. F.  

Who, Vann7? Ignore him, there is a setting to ignore a user i think. But yeah, one i agree with your suspicion (how can a normal person spend so much time posting, he posts not only here but other places as well, the same half-coherent babble usually involving the "zionists"), and two all replies can be seen by non-members and could leave a wrong image, which is a big pitty.

Oh and yeah, a big f*** you to any Washington based sock-puppets reading this. Looking forward to the day you'll be made China's b*tch.

sepheronx wrote:

par far wrote:

sepheronx wrote:Simplist way to deal with these hostilities towards Russia is not giving tthem the time of day. Close borders with the countries openly hostile to Russia, bar trade with them, and close off embassies or at least limit them to a couple of people. Then move away from their banking standard and simply move towards a more self reliant economy and improve living standards. A nation of people dont need to make 50K a year to live comfortably. As long as they can get a decent roof over their head, decent jobs and a basic goods, then that is already the right step. Open up trade even more with countries who are also facing the pinch because of US (like Iran, Syria, Egypt, Venezuela, etc) and just build yourself up. Let the Ukrainians and baltic countries rot. Force them to pay all Russian goods if they want them in Russias choosing. If they dont want them, then they can go without them. Keep diolague to a minimum and if they want to complain about nothing, openly point out their fallacies and just continue on. Russia benefits from having most known resources and abundant of energy. They just need to increase Russians population and spread out more through the country. There will always be people to trade with. As long as Russia has nukes and continues to improve their offensive abilities, they wont be openly touched. If the borders are controlled and limits to embassies are put into place while banning foreign NGO's who have ties to the embassys, then the chances of people being lead on wont happen.

Russia must get to Iran first before US does. Russias sit on ass and watch policy wont help.

Regarding Iran, Russia is not sitting around, the defence minister visited Tehran , along with other top officials and Russia also has lot's of business ties with Iran.

Wont mean much after sanctions on Iran lifted. Russia should have proven itself a reliable partner and sold the S-300 back then. Hopefully they can acquire contracts now.

Very true, Russia should have sold S-300 to Iran. I don't think sanctions will be lifted off of Iran because there won't be any deal because I don't think AIPAC will let it happen.

On other news the British and American are openly admitting that they are training the Fascists in Ukraine.

mack8 wrote:

Firebird wrote:Incredible, a defender of Hitler. On a RUSSIA forum..

THATS why there are Russians reluctant post.

I reckon some of these accounts are based in Washington. Some Nuland wannabee saying to scum like Pskanky,
"How can we smear pro Russia views? I know lets mix pro-Russian and Nazism, then we can compare Russia to Nazism".

W. T. F.  

Who, Vann7? Ignore him, there is  a setting to ignore a user i think. But yeah, one i agree with your suspicion (how can a normal person spend so much time posting, he posts not only here but other places as well, the same half-coherent babble usually involving the "zionists"), and two all replies can be seen by non-members and could leave a wrong image, which is a big pitty.

Oh and yeah, a big f*** you to any Washington based sock-puppets reading this. Looking forward to the day you'll be made China's b*tch.

I know man, the white-washing of Hitler's legacy is pure lunacy. It's hard to claim to be Pro-Russian when you don't recognize the sacrifice they made during WW2.