Kurdish [PKK,YPG]–Turkish conflict

KoTeMoRe wrote:

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:
This is PKK. PKK blowing Russian MRAP's in Syria is as plausible as me scoring Alessandra D'Ambrosio yesterday. Also the US has enough jihadi cunts to use and Kurds aren't exactly idiots.

PKK has links ot other  Kurds don´t they? I am not saying their fight is not legitimate but outcome is one Kurdistan a a country means 4 other states go to pieces. Yugoslav scenario. Iraq de facto is already split by US. Now Syria and then Turkey and or Iran.

US needs wars to keep bankrupt state alive. Kurds want their autonomy and statehood but in Russia´s and all invbolved countries this is not solution. Autonomy why not but no state.

Surprise the PKK is at war also with other Kurds like RKG in Iraq...it's not simple and it's not going to happen.Also Kurdistan needs to overcome 2 states where the Kurds are only local small majority. Turkey and Iran.

nobody says it´s simple. But Syrian and Iraqi Kurds clearly bend towards US. US IMHO was behing failed coup in Turkey. You remmber thet Saddam wa skilled and Iraq destroyed because of 2000 or so Kurdish civilians? nobody wa scheckig it even. So why not false flag operation and creation of `democratic multikulti Iran` in zionist agenda?

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

calm wrote:
I hope that they(Kurds) will see free Kurdistan soon.

That means destruction of Iran, Iraq, Syria and Turkey. Kurdish state will be managed by US doggies to be based on hatery and warmonger-ism. Look at  Ukraine.

Kurdish autonomy in Syria? why not as long as it is NOT  under western supervision.

Seriously, it's like everyone forgot that the Kurds played an active role in the Armenian Genocide.

Eight Turkish soldiers killed by PKK: Turkish Media

http://echelon-defense.com/2016/09/03/eight-turkish-soldiers-killed-by-pkk-turkey-media/

magnumcromagnon wrote:

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

calm wrote:
I hope that they(Kurds) will see free Kurdistan soon.

That means destruction of Iran, Iraq, Syria and Turkey. Kurdish state will be managed by US doggies to be based on hatery and warmonger-ism. Look at  Ukraine.

Kurdish autonomy in Syria? why not as long as it is NOT  under western supervision.

Seriously, it's like everyone forgot that the Kurds played an active role in the Armenian Genocide.

Armenians were Christians so prey was easy. But now Kurds are mostly western cannon fodder to fight with 4 states. IMHO to accomplish " Arab Spring" to bring chaos and destruction to oil rich terrains. On top to be able to control invasion of Europe by millions of hungry, Being an Us ally is does not save you either.

But the only real politik solution I see now is Syrien Kruds get autonomy but no state. And US activities should be under control. This is ideal scenario of course

Video: Kurdish guerrilla fighters from the PKK overrun a Turkish Army position in southeastern Turkey

http://echelon-defense.com/2016/09/04/video-kurdish-guerrilla-fighters-from-the-pkk-overrun-a-turkish-army-position-in-southeastern-turkey/

magnumcromagnon wrote:

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

calm wrote:
I hope that they(Kurds) will see free Kurdistan soon.

That means destruction of Iran, Iraq, Syria and Turkey. Kurdish state will be managed by US doggies to be based on hatery and warmonger-ism. Look at  Ukraine.

Kurdish autonomy in Syria? why not as long as it is NOT  under western supervision.

Seriously, it's like everyone forgot that the Kurds played an active role in the Armenian Genocide.

Guys, what the fuck have you been smoking. The only Kurdish Entity that is posing issues so far has been the KRG. Which has backstabbed an established state. PYD/YPG is an insurrection, it is fairly normal they will not be trustable. Also as I said there's a reason why the Kurds are being courted by both sides. Because they're needed to set a wedge between Turkey and Syria.

magnumcromagnon wrote:

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

calm wrote:
I hope that they(Kurds) will see free Kurdistan soon.

That means destruction of Iran, Iraq, Syria and Turkey. Kurdish state will be managed by US doggies to be based on hatery and warmonger-ism. Look at  Ukraine.

Kurdish autonomy in Syria? why not as long as it is NOT  under western supervision.

Seriously, it's like everyone forgot that the Kurds played an active role in the Armenian Genocide.

But you are conscient that the Turks did it not?

Armenian Genocide.
Assyrian Genocide.
Greek Genocide.

eehnie wrote:

magnumcromagnon wrote:

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

calm wrote:
I hope that they(Kurds) will see free Kurdistan soon.

That means destruction of Iran, Iraq, Syria and Turkey. Kurdish state will be managed by US doggies to be based on hatery and warmonger-ism. Look at  Ukraine.

Kurdish autonomy in Syria? why not as long as it is NOT  under western supervision.

Seriously, it's like everyone forgot that the Kurds played an active role in the Armenian Genocide.

But you are conscient that the Turks did it not?

Armenian Genocide.
Assyrian Genocide.
Greek Genocide.

I think it's a case of trusting (or not trusting) them equally.

OminousSpudd wrote:

eehnie wrote:

magnumcromagnon wrote:

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

calm wrote:
I hope that they(Kurds) will see free Kurdistan soon.

That means destruction of Iran, Iraq, Syria and Turkey. Kurdish state will be managed by US doggies to be based on hatery and warmonger-ism. Look at  Ukraine.

Kurdish autonomy in Syria? why not as long as it is NOT  under western supervision.

Seriously, it's like everyone forgot that the Kurds played an active role in the Armenian Genocide.

But you are conscient that the Turks did it not?

Armenian Genocide.
Assyrian Genocide.
Greek Genocide.

I think it's a case of trusting (or not trusting) them equally.

You mean trust not the Kurds because some involvement the Armenian genocide for to take the Turks despite to do the genocide?

Well... it is...

eehnie wrote:

OminousSpudd wrote:

eehnie wrote:

magnumcromagnon wrote:

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

calm wrote:
I hope that they(Kurds) will see free Kurdistan soon.

That means destruction of Iran, Iraq, Syria and Turkey. Kurdish state will be managed by US doggies to be based on hatery and warmonger-ism. Look at  Ukraine.

Kurdish autonomy in Syria? why not as long as it is NOT  under western supervision.

Seriously, it's like everyone forgot that the Kurds played an active role in the Armenian Genocide.

But you are conscient that the Turks did it not?

Armenian Genocide.
Assyrian Genocide.
Greek Genocide.

I think it's a case of trusting (or not trusting) them equally.

You mean trust not the Kurds because some involvement the Armenian genocide for to take the Turks despite to do the genocide?

Well... it is...

No, I mean hold them both at arms length and treat them both as criminally insane.

OminousSpudd wrote:

eehnie wrote:

OminousSpudd wrote:

eehnie wrote:

magnumcromagnon wrote:

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

calm wrote:
I hope that they(Kurds) will see free Kurdistan soon.

That means destruction of Iran, Iraq, Syria and Turkey. Kurdish state will be managed by US doggies to be based on hatery and warmonger-ism. Look at  Ukraine.

Kurdish autonomy in Syria? why not as long as it is NOT  under western supervision.

Seriously, it's like everyone forgot that the Kurds played an active role in the Armenian Genocide.

But you are conscient that the Turks did it not?

Armenian Genocide.
Assyrian Genocide.
Greek Genocide.

I think it's a case of trusting (or not trusting) them equally.

You mean trust not the Kurds because some involvement the Armenian genocide for to take the Turks despite to do the genocide?

Well... it is...

No, I mean hold them both at arms length and treat them both as criminally insane.

Forgeting that the Turks were far more and worse criminals?

Seriously there is here some rare trend to side with the wrong side.

Kurds and Turks have committed crimes together in the Armenian genocide. Both are to blame.

eehnie wrote:

OminousSpudd wrote:

eehnie wrote:

OminousSpudd wrote:

eehnie wrote:

magnumcromagnon wrote:

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

calm wrote:
I hope that they(Kurds) will see free Kurdistan soon.

That means destruction of Iran, Iraq, Syria and Turkey. Kurdish state will be managed by US doggies to be based on hatery and warmonger-ism. Look at  Ukraine.

Kurdish autonomy in Syria? why not as long as it is NOT  under western supervision.

Seriously, it's like everyone forgot that the Kurds played an active role in the Armenian Genocide.

But you are conscient that the Turks did it not?

Armenian Genocide.
Assyrian Genocide.
Greek Genocide.

I think it's a case of trusting (or not trusting) them equally.

You mean trust not the Kurds because some involvement the Armenian genocide for to take the Turks despite to do the genocide?

Well... it is...

No, I mean hold them both at arms length and treat them both as criminally insane.

Forgeting that the Turks were far more and worse criminals?

Seriously there is here some rare trend to side with the wrong side.

Kurds have directly attacked the SAA, even after being given heavy support from the VKS and engaging in joint-ops with the Syrian Gov. Tell me why they should be trusted any more than the Turks?

OminousSpudd wrote:

eehnie wrote:

OminousSpudd wrote:

eehnie wrote:

OminousSpudd wrote:

eehnie wrote:

magnumcromagnon wrote:

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

calm wrote:
I hope that they(Kurds) will see free Kurdistan soon.

That means destruction of Iran, Iraq, Syria and Turkey. Kurdish state will be managed by US doggies to be based on hatery and warmonger-ism. Look at  Ukraine.

Kurdish autonomy in Syria? why not as long as it is NOT  under western supervision.

Seriously, it's like everyone forgot that the Kurds played an active role in the Armenian Genocide.

But you are conscient that the Turks did it not?

Armenian Genocide.
Assyrian Genocide.
Greek Genocide.

I think it's a case of trusting (or not trusting) them equally.

You mean trust not the Kurds because some involvement the Armenian genocide for to take the Turks despite to do the genocide?

Well... it is...

No, I mean hold them both at arms length and treat them both as criminally insane.

Forgeting that the Turks were far more and worse criminals?

Seriously there is here some rare trend to side with the wrong side.

Kurds have directly attacked the SAA, even after being given heavy support from the VKS and engaging in joint-ops with the Syrian Gov. Tell me why they should be trusted any more than the Turks?

Russians were the last group that the Kurds should of betrayed...The Russians responded by allowing the Turks to engage in a real grizzly mop up operation on the border, and with no VKS to protect their ungrateful asses! What's even more ironic is that the U.S./Pentagon did very little to prevent the curb stomping....and of course Russia can easily play the plausible deniability card. Good Cop, Bad Cop at it's finest...No Cheesy Kurds for Poutine!

magnumcromagnon wrote:

OminousSpudd wrote:

eehnie wrote:

OminousSpudd wrote:

eehnie wrote:

OminousSpudd wrote:

eehnie wrote:

magnumcromagnon wrote:

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

calm wrote:
I hope that they(Kurds) will see free Kurdistan soon.

That means destruction of Iran, Iraq, Syria and Turkey. Kurdish state will be managed by US doggies to be based on hatery and warmonger-ism. Look at  Ukraine.

Kurdish autonomy in Syria? why not as long as it is NOT  under western supervision.

Seriously, it's like everyone forgot that the Kurds played an active role in the Armenian Genocide.

But you are conscient that the Turks did it not?

Armenian Genocide.
Assyrian Genocide.
Greek Genocide.

I think it's a case of trusting (or not trusting) them equally.

You mean trust not the Kurds because some involvement the Armenian genocide for to take the Turks despite to do the genocide?

Well... it is...

No, I mean hold them both at arms length and treat them both as criminally insane.

Forgeting that the Turks were far more and worse criminals?

Seriously there is here some rare trend to side with the wrong side.

Kurds have directly attacked the SAA, even after being given heavy support from the VKS and engaging in joint-ops with the Syrian Gov. Tell me why they should be trusted any more than the Turks?

Russians were the last group that the Kurds should of betrayed...The Russians responded by allowing the Turks to engage in a real grizzly mop up operation on the border, and with no VKS to protect their ungrateful asses! What's even more ironic is that the U.S./Pentagon did very little to prevent the curb stomping....and of course Russia can easily play the plausible deniability card. Good Cop, Bad Cop at it's finest...No Cheesy Kurds for Poutine!

Also as answer to Ominous, the Turks invaded Syria against the opinion of Syria, Russia and Iran. Russia allowed not it, the Turks did it with the US, who were supposed to "convince" the Kurds of a retreat from Manjib. The suposed fight whit the ISIS is a pure teatre.

Video: Kurdish PKK fighters display weapons seized from the Turkish Army in southeastern Turkey

http://echelon-defense.com/2016/09/08/video-kurdish-pkk-fighters-display-weapons-seized-from-the-turkish-army-in-southeastern-turkey/

airstrike wrote:Video: Kurdish PKK fighters display weapons seized from the Turkish Army in southeastern Turkey

http://echelon-defense.com/2016/09/08/video-kurdish-pkk-fighters-display-weapons-seized-from-the-turkish-army-in-southeastern-turkey/

Yo KoTeMoRe, can we get some I.D.'s on the weapons seized by the PKK?

Left to Right.

PKM with Typical turkish side rail for sight.
SVD with Trunion extennsion for bipod.
Accuracy International Rifle (possible G22 1/1 contract like for Bundewehr) with Transvaro Energek 2 (without picatinny rail) and Energek-3 with picatinny rail). Scope looks like Aselsan copies of Schmidt&Bender. and then we have G33 and Two Croatian RGB-6 (grenade launchers).

KoTeMoRe wrote:Left to Right.

PKM with Typical turkish side rail for sight.
SVD with Trunion extennsion for bipod.
Accuracy International Rifle (possible G22 1/1 contract like for Bundewehr) with Transvaro Energek 2 (without picatinny rail) and Energek-3 with picatinny rail). Scope looks like Aselsan copies of Schmidt&Bender. and then we have G33 and Two Croatian RGB-6 (grenade launchers).

Damn.

There are reports that the Turkish Army is training for the takeover Al-Bab. Looks like they will make a move soon.
This one will not be a walk in the park as Al-Bab is a relatively big city with urban warfare environment.

airstrike wrote:There are reports that the Turkish Army is training for the takeover Al-Bab. Looks like they will make a move soon.
This one will not be a walk in the park as Al-Bab is a relatively big city with urban warfare environment.

Well Turks are gonna experience what the Grozny-experience was like....Karma is a real B*TCH!

airstrike wrote:There are reports that the Turkish Army is training for the takeover Al-Bab. Looks like they will make a move soon.
This one will not be a walk in the park as Al-Bab is a relatively big city with urban warfare environment.

Only question is, does some one deal with ISIS, the last missile used wasn't a Konkurs but a Kornet. So does Moscow play rough? Or?

^^^

NE #Aleppo: #ISIS erected 25 km+ barriers to protect Al-Bab. Tadef & M4 highway included in huge defensive system.

Just follow the line - https://www.terraserver.com/view?utf8=%E2%9C%93&search_text=&searchLat=&searchLng=&lat=36.391294&lng=37.506294&bbox=¢er=

Video: Kurdish PKK fighters fire mortars at Turkish base housing UH-60 Blackhawk helicopters

http://echelon-defense.com/2016/09/14/video-kurdish-pkk-fighters-fire-mortars-at-turkish-base-housing-uh-60-blackhawk-helicopters/

airstrike wrote:Video: Kurdish PKK fighters fire mortars at Turkish base housing UH-60 Blackhawk helicopters

http://echelon-defense.com/2016/09/14/video-kurdish-pkk-fighters-fire-mortars-at-turkish-base-housing-uh-60-blackhawk-helicopters/

The Turks took a real anus pounding here, I can't wait for KoTeMoRe's response to this lol!